Zed Man

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Rather misleading Since Canon had the 2 best selling mirrorless cameras during the time frame. They also had the 4 best selling cameras (DSLR and mirrorless), followed by Nikon and Olympus.
In fact Sony was only the 4th best selling ILC camera company during that time.

And now the A7iii doesn't even rank in the BCN top 20, while cameras like the discontinued Nikon 1 and the Canon 6Dii rank higher. Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, and Canon all have multiple mirrorless cameras that rank higher on BCN.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 17:36 UTC as 73rd comment
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Ebrahim Saadawi: Honestly it's not surprising. Sony A7III is incredibly hyped and positively reviewed in all media outlets, and it has the paper specs. I salute Sony for creating cameras that "excite" in a market where the giants seem to have entered boring mode. The the two most exciting models to come from the giants were the Z6 due to the incredible value for video shooters, and the RP due to breaking a new price barrier, so the most exciting two models in the past 8+ years are one for video reasons and one for a couple hundred dollar discount, just not enough.

This market is driven by technology, and Sony has the tech

The technology went to 10 bit video a few years ago. Now it is going to Raw video and ProRes.
For stills, smartphones and M43 lead the way. Cameras continually buffering shots Before you press the shutter, that can either be used as the final still or in conjunction with AI to improve the actual shot taken.
60FPS for both video and stills is the new standard.
Hires mode for 80-120MP stills is now common. (Panasonics has made DPR charts outdated!)
And of course the fully weather sealed bodies for anyone shooting in the elements.
Sadly, while Sony has nice AF, they are near last in most other technology.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 15:09 UTC
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Ebrahim Saadawi: Honestly it's not surprising. Sony A7III is incredibly hyped and positively reviewed in all media outlets, and it has the paper specs. I salute Sony for creating cameras that "excite" in a market where the giants seem to have entered boring mode. The the two most exciting models to come from the giants were the Z6 due to the incredible value for video shooters, and the RP due to breaking a new price barrier, so the most exciting two models in the past 8+ years are one for video reasons and one for a couple hundred dollar discount, just not enough.

This market is driven by technology, and Sony has the tech

I agree Sony hasn't been competitive for video in over 5 years.
You never see DPR use a Sony for video, they always use Panasonic.
Sony is still stuck with that old inefficient code and 8 bit video. They have one of the lowest data rates and highest/worst compression too.

Nikon, Panasonic, And Fujifilm all have superior video and all can use hundreds of superb lenses for video. The best videos are shot with primes and with the upcoming Nikon ProRes (Raw) option that combo would will make Sony video with "zooms" look like video shot on a cell phone from 2003.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 14:36 UTC

I wonder why no one mentioned that for the past 4 years Canon mirrorless (exclude DSLRs) has outsold All Sony in Japan.
Last year Canon mirrorless sold 50% more than Sony in Japan.
And even today Canon has the Two best selling mirrorless cameras in Japan while Olympus has the 3rd. (Canon has 4 of the top 5 best selling cameras accord3to BCN).
And Sony is only the 4th best selling ILC seller in Japan according to BCN.
And finally FF mirrorless sales are very, very small in Japan.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 01:48 UTC as 109th comment
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T3: This is certainly not good news for Canon and Nikon. But what might be additional bad news is that this will probably put a damper on 3rd party lens manufacturers' willingness to invest the time and effort to reverse engineer Canon/Nikon's new "closed" mirrorless mounts. After all, if the sales volume isn't there, then they will probably just stick with making their 3rd party lenses for Sony's mount, or the m4/3 mount, which are both "open" mounts.

MILC makes a good point.
Despite making A mount and E mount and APSC and FF, Olympus has always outsold Sony in Japan. And Olympus is just part of the M43 format (the most open format with the most lenses and compatibility).
Sony with all those models and formats somehow has been and is only the 4th best selling brand in Japan.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 00:21 UTC
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MILC man: this isn't just about bcn stats.

eos-rp has been on the market for two months, and the sales are so weak that canon is already blowing out eos-rp kits at $200-$300 discounts:

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-r-rp-promo

dslr sales have been plummeting for years, and now the brand-new eos-rp is tanking.

I guess that is why so many APSC and M43 cameras are outselling the A6400 in Japan too.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 21:19 UTC
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T3: This is certainly not good news for Canon and Nikon. But what might be additional bad news is that this will probably put a damper on 3rd party lens manufacturers' willingness to invest the time and effort to reverse engineer Canon/Nikon's new "closed" mirrorless mounts. After all, if the sales volume isn't there, then they will probably just stick with making their 3rd party lenses for Sony's mount, or the m4/3 mount, which are both "open" mounts.

It's on BCNs site.
The A7iii isn't in the top 20 best selling cameras.
The Nikon 1 and 6Dii both are.

FF mirrorless sales are near nonexistent.
All DSLR sales are probably 5-10x more... But Sony does not make any though.

In Japan Sony is only the 4th largest ILC company according to BCN

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 21:13 UTC
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MILC man: this isn't just about bcn stats.

eos-rp has been on the market for two months, and the sales are so weak that canon is already blowing out eos-rp kits at $200-$300 discounts:

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-r-rp-promo

dslr sales have been plummeting for years, and now the brand-new eos-rp is tanking.

Oh well, Canon still has the 6Dii and about 10 other cameras outselling the A7iii on BCN right now.
Even a Nikon 1 is outselling the A7iii.

FF mirrorless sales have tanked. It is a terrible segment to put all your eggs in.

Even Olympus, is killing Sony in Japan...like they did last year. And the year before... And the year before.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 20:32 UTC
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T3: This is certainly not good news for Canon and Nikon. But what might be additional bad news is that this will probably put a damper on 3rd party lens manufacturers' willingness to invest the time and effort to reverse engineer Canon/Nikon's new "closed" mirrorless mounts. After all, if the sales volume isn't there, then they will probably just stick with making their 3rd party lenses for Sony's mount, or the m4/3 mount, which are both "open" mounts.

Well it is good news.

The article didn't mention that the Nikon 1 and Canon 6DII are both outselling the A7iii according to BCN.

In fact the A7iii only sold 1700 units last month according to BCN. Canon had near a dozen camera with higher sales and Nikon, and Olympus also had several cameras with higher sales.

So what. FF mirrorless sales are terrible all around.

But Nikon and Canon and even Olympus are killing Sony in Japan... Like they did last year.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 20:28 UTC

Sorry to rain on the parade...

The Canon 6D mark II is outselling the A7iii in Japan according to BCN.

The A7iii isn't even in the top 20 on BCN. Ouch.
Canon has a about a dozen cameras ranked higher on BCN.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 20:06 UTC as 142nd comment | 3 replies
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Zed Man: Lol, someone pointed out the A7iii only sold 1700 in one month in Japan and on the BCN rankings wasn't in the top 20.
So all FF mirrorless sales are horrendous and Nikon, Olympus and Canon are all outselling Sony in Japan according to BCN.

An excuse for Canon outselling Sony in Japan?
For 4 months Canon has always had 4 cameras selling better in Japan than Sony's best.
What was Sony's excuse again? An article about a camera not even in the top 20?

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 20:02 UTC

Lol, someone pointed out the A7iii only sold 1700 in one month in Japan and on the BCN rankings wasn't in the top 20.
So all FF mirrorless sales are horrendous and Nikon, Olympus and Canon are all outselling Sony in Japan according to BCN.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 19:21 UTC as 147th comment | 2 replies

Like everyone has been saying, FF mirrorless sales in Japan are very very small.
And the BCN data shows Sony sales are actually very poor in Japan.
Here is what the article should have also said.
The A7iii is only ranked 21st overall right now, with a dozen Canon cameras ranked higher.
Even Olympus has several cameras ranked higher.
The A6400 which should be one of the top ranked cameras is not. Canon, Nikon and Olympus all have cameras ranked higher (Canon had 4).
The newer A7RIII is nowhere to found in the rankings because sales are so low. Neither is the A9.

This is all consistent with Sony being only the 4th largest seller in Japan, behind Canon, Nikon and Olympus. Nothing has changed.
In Japan like BCN shows, Sony is still only #4 in sales.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 19:09 UTC as 150th comment

Sony sales are actually poor in Japan.
What they didn't say.
The A7iii is only ranked 21st overall right now, with a dozen Canon cameras ranked higher.
Even Olympus has several cameras ranked higher.
The A6400 which should be one of the top ranked cameras is not. Canon, Nikon and Olympus all have cameras ranked higher (Canon had 4).
The newer A7RIII is nowhere to found in the top 50. Neither is the A9.

This is all consistent with Sony being only the 4th largest seller in Japan, behind Canon, Nikon and Olympus. Nothing has changed.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 17:17 UTC as 169th comment
On article Sony a6400 review (1244 comments in total)
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2JoeA7R2: With this focus system you able put all your attention on composition and exposure parameters. With shooting parameters set for the scene, it all about your subject and composition. The tech disappears. All that is left is photography! It’s a wondetful place to be.

PAtunes,

Any who can access YouTube can see the 50/1.8 and 85/1.8 are cheap plastic lenses, that are noisy and slow to focus.
The 50mm is probably one of the slowest.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 14:57 UTC

So a lot of the competition was left out of the numbers.
BCN goes by SKUs which is why the same Canon camera often occupies the top two spots in their list.
Since they are only looking at the top 5, they are leaving a a large amount of sales out of their numbers. They even acknowledge the Z7 wasn't counted. But my bet is they left out a number of "kits" too.
Also, since Canon makes 3 models all most likely were not counted.
This is simply troll food and not scientific or accurate.

Link | Posted on May 3, 2019 at 13:19 UTC as 280th comment | 1 reply
On article Sony a6400 review (1244 comments in total)
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norman shearer: Sony seem hellbent on crippling their APS-C cameras in the hope you move up to FF. Some of us want both so how about producing the best damned APS-C you can and show the rest how it's done? I'm talking about uncompressed RAW, near zero rolling shutter and IBIS. Then add a few killer APS-C specific lenses. Otherwise, I'm not interested.

10 bit video has been around for years.
4k 60p has been around for years.
15 FPS (and 60 FPS) stills have been around for years.
Fully weather resistant camera bodies have been around for years.

It could be years more before Sony APSC sees any of these.
Just like Sony may never make an F2. 8 APSC zoom.
APSC E mount is the new A mount, or T3 says, the new betamax.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2019 at 23:25 UTC
On article Sony a6400 vs Fujifilm X-T30: Which is best for you? (460 comments in total)
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East Coast Photog: Based on this, I would think Sony gets a Gold badge for its A6400 for "class-leading AF in a compact size"

Sorry if facts conflict with your delusion.

Try tracking someone running towards you with the A6400 and the Sony 50mm 1.8 FE. If shooting 11FPS you'll be lucky to get 5 sharp pictures.
It all depends on the lens.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2019 at 18:14 UTC
On article Sony a6400 vs Fujifilm X-T30: Which is best for you? (460 comments in total)
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East Coast Photog: Based on this, I would think Sony gets a Gold badge for its A6400 for "class-leading AF in a compact size"

In 90 out of 100 focus situations the A6400 is not superior. And if the A6400 has a slow lens it is not superior in those other 10.
The A6400 is a good camera for those who only want a P&S experience and don't need superior F2. 8 zooms, etc.
But the XT30 is overall a better camera and the XT3 is better than both.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2019 at 16:34 UTC
On article Sony a6400 review (1244 comments in total)
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2JoeA7R2: With this focus system you able put all your attention on composition and exposure parameters. With shooting parameters set for the scene, it all about your subject and composition. The tech disappears. All that is left is photography! It’s a wondetful place to be.

The Sony 85mm 1.8 FE is a good plastic lens. It is not fast enough to focus on moving subjects and is a poor choice for sports. It is a very affordable lens perfect for portraits and static (or maybe slow moving) subjects.

Link | Posted on May 2, 2019 at 16:29 UTC
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