Zed Man

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Some may return to DSLRs.
There will always be those who prefer OVFs to EVFs.

No one will return to SLTs.

Link | Posted on May 20, 2019 at 22:23 UTC as 53rd comment
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Duncan M: Why DPR do you NOT mention the FACT that the imaging division made a loss of 7,2 percent over the last three month. Which comes exactly after some competition entered the market in which Sony had no competition and dominated before. Looks like it is not going so well afterall.

These facts can be read on page F-7.
Too bad DPR forgot to mention the bad news.
Or were you just trying to hide it, like if it didn't occur?

Sales operating revenue (Three month ended March 31 2019):
Imaging Products & Solutions:

Customers: 158,764 (2018). - 151,562 (2019). -7,202 (minus) percent
Intersegment: 3,671 (2018) - 2,802 (2019). -869 (minus)

It looks like Sony isn't doing so good afterall now they have some competition from Canon and Nikon.

Otherwise there would be no loss of a mere 7,2 percent loss in revenue.

@T3
Last year at this time Sony was at about 100% of FF mirrorless sales.
Your link says by end of 2018 it was 60%
It then says for April 2019 is was only 50%
This is the conclusion from your link.
"the gap between the companies is gradually but still closing."

Spin that how you want but losing half in less than a year and the gap still closing, is not a good thing for Sony.

And don't attack me. All that is from your link. But thanks for posting it.

Link | Posted on May 20, 2019 at 15:24 UTC
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lacikuss: Congratulations to Sony. If the market contracted between 10% to 20%, based on Canikon numbers a 2% growth is more like a 2% + average 15% growth in real terms.

This is how Sony is gaining market share so rapidly.

Sony isn't gaining any market share according to any reports.
They say they are making fewer cameras but charging a lot more. They also said they reduced costs which helped profits. But profits still fell 7% last quarter according to Sony.

Last year Sony was selling almost 100% of FF cameras in Japan. BCN now says they are down to 50%.

Let's wait for CIPA or another entity to say was the global market share is these days.

Link | Posted on May 20, 2019 at 12:55 UTC
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Zed Man: For reference DPR should add how poorly FF mirrorless does in Japan.

Canon and Olympus account for over 50% of all mirrorless sales in Japan.

If you add together all of Sony's FF mirrorless, APSC mirrorless, APSC SLT, and FF SLT sales, it is still LESS than Olympus mirrorless sales.

If you add together all those Sony sales, Canon still sells 50% MORE mirrorless cameras.

Today the top 2 selling mirrorless cameras in Japan are Canon's.
The next is Olympus.

According to the latest BCN report, the Nikon 1 and Canon 6Dii are outselling the low selling A7III.

Latest BCN ranking. A7III isnt even in the top 20. Canon 6Dii and Nikon 1 J5 are...
https://www.bcnretail.com/research/ranking/list/contents_type=41

And yet the Nikon J5 is selling better in Japan than the A7III mentioned in the article.

It shows low FF mirrorless are.

Link | Posted on May 7, 2019 at 17:12 UTC
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Magnar W: Gone with Sony are the large and bulky full frame cameras that reminds about DSLR cameras, and this is a good thing! I think about 87% of the world's population would agree with me on this! :-)

More like 90% strongly disagree.
Sony FF lens are still giant. And since Sony has the WORST ergonomics those big lenses torque your wrist.

A "mid size" micro43 camera with a 200mm lens is about 1/2 the size of any Sony FF camera with a 400mm lens....and has a better grip!!!!

Sony's ergonomics were the worst 5 years ago and have hardly changed.

No wonder Lenses Rentals says Nikon are vastly better designed and built.

Link | Posted on May 7, 2019 at 14:45 UTC
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Zed Man: BCN also said Canon sells more than 50% more mirrorless cameras in Japan than Sony.

It shows FF mirrorless sales for everyone are near non existent.

As already pointed out the A7III only sold 1700 units. That is dismal, as are all FF mirrorless sales.

BCN reports that the top 2 selling cameras are Canon DSLRs. The next 2 best selling ILCs are Canon mirrorless.

Canon is dominating sales in Japan. 1 out of 3 mirrorless cameras sold in Japan is a Canon.

Interestingly, BCN reports Sony is barely the #4 camera company, and behind Olympus and Canon in mirrorless too.

Correction:

Nikon has the 4th best selling camera and Canon mirrorless is 3rd and 5th.

Canon has the best selling FF body at 19th.
The A7III is out of the top 20.

Here is the latest from BCN
https://www.bcnretail.com/research/ranking/list/contents_type=41

Link | Posted on May 7, 2019 at 14:35 UTC

BCN also said Canon sells more than 50% more mirrorless cameras in Japan than Sony.

It shows FF mirrorless sales for everyone are near non existent.

As already pointed out the A7III only sold 1700 units. That is dismal, as are all FF mirrorless sales.

BCN reports that the top 2 selling cameras are Canon DSLRs. The next 2 best selling ILCs are Canon mirrorless.

Canon is dominating sales in Japan. 1 out of 3 mirrorless cameras sold in Japan is a Canon.

Interestingly, BCN reports Sony is barely the #4 camera company, and behind Olympus and Canon in mirrorless too.

Link | Posted on May 7, 2019 at 14:32 UTC as 18th comment | 5 replies
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RubberDials: So many ridiculous posts in this thread claiming the article is 'misleading' or even 'false'.

Seems that some people simply cannot accept the disruptive impact of the A7III or the decline in FF sales for Canon that the R and RP have failed to arrest.

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised, arguing that the A7III isn't selling more isn't that different from arguing that it's a 'toy' or Sony 'isn't a camera manufacturer '- both positions are rooted in wish-fulfilment and fantasy.

What's the big deal?

BCN said Sony is barely the 4th larger ILC company.
No one disputes that.

BCN said Canon sold 50% more mirrorless cameras than ALL Sonys combined.
No one disputes that.

BCN says Con makes the top 4 best selling cameras, and this week also the best selling FF camera.

There is nothing to argue about.
Those are all facts and they hurt the Sony fan boys feelings.

Link | Posted on May 7, 2019 at 00:50 UTC
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RubberDials: So many ridiculous posts in this thread claiming the article is 'misleading' or even 'false'.

Seems that some people simply cannot accept the disruptive impact of the A7III or the decline in FF sales for Canon that the R and RP have failed to arrest.

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised, arguing that the A7III isn't selling more isn't that different from arguing that it's a 'toy' or Sony 'isn't a camera manufacturer '- both positions are rooted in wish-fulfilment and fantasy.

Rubber you link is NOT the weekly ranking.

And most will stop reading after seeing Canon occupy the first few spots.

Your link shows Canon is dominating.

Link | Posted on May 6, 2019 at 19:56 UTC

For reference DPR should add how poorly FF mirrorless does in Japan.

Canon and Olympus account for over 50% of all mirrorless sales in Japan.

If you add together all of Sony's FF mirrorless, APSC mirrorless, APSC SLT, and FF SLT sales, it is still LESS than Olympus mirrorless sales.

If you add together all those Sony sales, Canon still sells 50% MORE mirrorless cameras.

Today the top 2 selling mirrorless cameras in Japan are Canon's.
The next is Olympus.

According to the latest BCN report, the Nikon 1 and Canon 6Dii are outselling the low selling A7III.

Latest BCN ranking. A7III isnt even in the top 20. Canon 6Dii and Nikon 1 J5 are...
https://www.bcnretail.com/research/ranking/list/contents_type=41

Link | Posted on May 6, 2019 at 18:55 UTC as 28th comment | 5 replies

The article should mention the top 2 selling mirrorless cameras in Japan are still Canon.(have been for several years)
The #3 mirrorless camera in Japan is Olympus.

Last week the best sell FF camera in Japan was also Canon.

In Japan Canon, Nikon and Olympus are the top 3 ILC camera companies.

Below someone pointed out the A7III only sold 1700 units last month. In Japan virtually no one is buying FF mirrorless.

Link | Posted on May 6, 2019 at 13:13 UTC as 35th comment | 3 replies
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jkokich: Shot on the GH5. Only a few short clips of video. Only a few photos taken with the cameras. Then, talk, talk, and more talk. I must be the only one here who wants to see a video of what the cameras can do, not listen to these guys try to be YouTube stars.

The GH5 is the winner again.

Panasonic, Nikon and Fujifilm make the best cameras for video, but the GH5 and GH5S really stand out.

It is funny that some companies charge over $2000 for cameras that still only offer very old terrible 8 bit video and highly compressed bit rates.

Link | Posted on May 6, 2019 at 12:43 UTC
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sirhawkeye64: Good comparison, but I Don't necessarily agree with the lenses portion, particularly about the mount. IN terms of native Z-lenses for the Nikon, yes that's true. It's a new camera, BUT you have the FTZ adapter which gives you access to 200+ other lenses. Yes they are not "native" in that they can't be used without the adapter but you do have access to a wide selection of lenses , many of which are top notch lenses from Nikon and other manufacturers. That's the one part that sort of stuck out to me the most. So to say that it's a new mount (And thus "lack" of lenses) is not entirely true IMO. Adapted lenses do pose some potential problems but for most newer NIkon F mount lenses, they should work fine (as will many third party). So if anything, while this is a drawback (the adapter) I think it's a good thing, because you now have Z lenses + F mount glass for the Z cameras.

Most Caon to Sony adapters cripple the Canon lenses.
On the A7III and A7RIII you are stuck with only 2.5 FPS and poor performance.
The Sony A mount to Sony E mount adapters are just as bad.
It stinks that Sony cripples lenses, including their own.
You pay $2900 for a 70-200/2.8 SSM and then $300 for a Sony adapter, and then Sony screws you and only let's the A7III shoot at 2.5 with it.

Link | Posted on May 6, 2019 at 00:47 UTC
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seragram: Did Sony beat them in US?
Did Sony beat Olympus in Japan?

For those asking, YES every year Olympus beats Sony in mirrorless sales, and Canon beats both of them.

Sony is 4th in ILC sales in Japan.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2019 at 20:01 UTC

Nothing has changed.
The best selling mirrorless cameras in Japan have the name Canon on them.

The 2nd best selling are Olympus.

And while Olympus is #2 for mirrorless, Nikon is #2 overall.

Selling FF mirrorless in Japan is like selling refrigerators at the north pole. No one sells very many.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2019 at 19:58 UTC as 46th comment
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seragram: Did Sony beat them in US?
Did Sony beat Olympus in Japan?

Olympus without any real new releases last year (1 minor refresh) outsold Sony despite their 2 major new releases.

Olympus with just one format, outsold Sony, FF mirrorless, APSC mirrorless, and Sony A mount combined.

Its been the same story this year too. Sony is back in 4th place in their home country.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2019 at 19:20 UTC

Reality check.
ALL FF mirrorless camera sales are extremely low in Japan.
The total for all the cameras mentioned was only a few thousand.
Virtually NO ONE is buying FF mirrorless in Japan.

They are buying the EOSM which holds the top 2 spots in Japan.
And the top 2 over all are held by Canon DSLRs.
So Canon has the top 4 best selling cameras in Japan.

For the past several years Sony has been only the 4th best selling camera company in Japan. And nothing has changed. Olympus, Nikon, and Canon consistantly out sell Sony.

Link | Posted on May 5, 2019 at 14:15 UTC as 52nd comment
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Zed Man: Sorry to rain on the parade...

The Canon 6D mark II is outselling the A7iii in Japan according to BCN.

The A7iii isn't even in the top 20 on BCN. Ouch.
Canon has a about a dozen cameras ranked higher on BCN.

Nice try,
Here is the real and most recent link.

The A7iii fell out of the top 20. 6Dii is ranked higher. Canon as always is dominating Sony. Look at the top 4.
BCN has never had Sony higher than the 4th best selling ILC company. Even Olympus continuously beats Sony.
https://www.bcnretail.com/research/ranking/list/contents_type=41

Link | Posted on May 5, 2019 at 02:23 UTC
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Ebrahim Saadawi: Honestly it's not surprising. Sony A7III is incredibly hyped and positively reviewed in all media outlets, and it has the paper specs. I salute Sony for creating cameras that "excite" in a market where the giants seem to have entered boring mode. The the two most exciting models to come from the giants were the Z6 due to the incredible value for video shooters, and the RP due to breaking a new price barrier, so the most exciting two models in the past 8+ years are one for video reasons and one for a couple hundred dollar discount, just not enough.

This market is driven by technology, and Sony has the tech

Able89er

Sony can't even do 10 bit video let alone 12 bit.
Panasonic, Fujifilm, and Nikon all do video do better than Sony. Those are the facts.

Whenever DPR does a review of a Sony camera these days, it is shot on a superior Panasonic.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 21:26 UTC
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sirhawkeye64: Good comparison, but I Don't necessarily agree with the lenses portion, particularly about the mount. IN terms of native Z-lenses for the Nikon, yes that's true. It's a new camera, BUT you have the FTZ adapter which gives you access to 200+ other lenses. Yes they are not "native" in that they can't be used without the adapter but you do have access to a wide selection of lenses , many of which are top notch lenses from Nikon and other manufacturers. That's the one part that sort of stuck out to me the most. So to say that it's a new mount (And thus "lack" of lenses) is not entirely true IMO. Adapted lenses do pose some potential problems but for most newer NIkon F mount lenses, they should work fine (as will many third party). So if anything, while this is a drawback (the adapter) I think it's a good thing, because you now have Z lenses + F mount glass for the Z cameras.

Richard Butler and others here agree the Nikon adapted lenses work better than Sony adapted lenses. There is huge difference.
Sony cripples their own lenses on E mount. You are limited to 2.5 FPS on the A7iii and A7RIII with Sony's own lenses, and AF is "just OK".

The Nikon F lenses work without restrictions on Z mount which is why they are superior.

Link | Posted on May 4, 2019 at 18:27 UTC
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