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Panino Manino

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On article Sony Xperia 1 Mark II sample gallery updated (93 comments in total)
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breamer: Even in the early days of these comments you can see two distinct camps. Those that dislike the images, complaining of the smart phone look, and plasticky files versus those that think the results look good. I fall in to the latter camp and really like what Sony has done here. To me it looks like a great little camera for documenting life and sharing the results with family and friends. It's in the same ballpark price-wise as other flagship phones but has better autofocus and features for those who want to use it more like a camera than a smartphone.

The colors are great, but just that.
Compared with the competition these photos aren't that good, how can anyone say otherwise? There's to much noise and smeary details even on minimal noise. These sensors can do a lot better, there's plenty of examples.

Of course, the photos are still "good enough", but we can also discuss how what Sony achieved after so many months of wait and with the power of their camera division compares with the other smartphone brands are delivering for some time.

Link | Posted on Jun 4, 2020 at 14:34 UTC
On a photo in the Sony Xperia 1 Mark II sample gallery sample gallery (5 comments in total)
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James Pilcher: I was enjoying the photos and then this one came along. Absolutely awful in the shaded areas. In particular, look a the upper parts of the building on the right and the shaded parts of the automobiles; noisy, mushy. This is the camera, not the photographer.

Phones tend to exaggerate with the noise reduction, but this phone is keeping too much noise even with minimal easy on any shadows.

Link | Posted on Jun 3, 2020 at 20:33 UTC
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pwmoree: Amazing, this from a phone!

Not really "amazing" for phones today.

Link | Posted on Jun 3, 2020 at 20:31 UTC
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thx1138: A sneaky way of admitting what a flop the 108MP unit in the S20+ has turned out to be on IQ and AF.

No.
It's "only a flop" on the S20 Ultra. All competitors using 108mpx sensors deliver better quality and focus.

Link | Posted on May 20, 2020 at 21:07 UTC
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photoac: I remember Intel...

Hey, Joe!
I remember!
Joeeeeeee...
I remember!

Believing in yourself
Image of you fighting
Still in my heart
I remember you forever...

Link | Posted on Apr 3, 2020 at 18:54 UTC
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sh10453: The usual Intel marketing / PR BS.
5.x GHz? How long would these CPUs run at 5.x GHz, even a single-core, and how many laptop spare batteries are required to support 5.x GHz, with the fan running at max speed?

I'm sticking with AMD, the company that Intel tried very hard to bankrupt and kill.
I have ZERO trust in Intel's claims AND ETHICS.
Thankfully, AMD survived, and is now making better processors than Intel's.

My main machine is a desktop, with the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, 8-core (X=unlocked processor), 16-thread processor that challenges me to throw anything photography at it.
I built this machine in September 2018. My only regret is that I didn't get the 16-core, just for the heck of it.
The next machine I'll build, if I need to, will certainly be powered by a 16-core AMD processor.

@phouphou
Anything not made by Adobe.

Link | Posted on Apr 3, 2020 at 18:51 UTC
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Sirandar: It will interesting to see how they get sustained 5GHz on 8 cores on a laptop without a fan that sounds like a 747 taking off. 5GHz is old news for a PC with an unlocked CPU and liquid cooling.

Sustained? Those clocks are on just two cores and if the chip isn't already too hot. For a maximum of 56 seconds.
The sustained clocks in way lower as expected.
But because Adobe refuses to optimize for more cores this may be useful.

Link | Posted on Apr 3, 2020 at 18:50 UTC
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DejayRezme: So the standard 23mm camera should have something like a 3.48x crop factor and about f6.6. The ultrawide a crop factor of 4.2x and f7.5.
From the depth of field / total light gathering not better than the Oppo Find X2 Pro (f6.5) or the Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro (f6.1) but comparable to MFT with kit zoom lens and close to an APS-C with kit zoom.

What would interest me most is a comparison test about the potential for video shooting, e.g. bitrates, encoding quality, video processing, if third party video recording apps can be used (camera2 api support), Raw support with gcam.

@ShootFilmNotMegaPixels
Oh yes, "in night mode"... in this mode the results are often WORSE than normal. Like I said, in practice Huawei's sensors are unmatched in low light and I disagree with what GSM Arena is saying there.
Look that crossroad for example. I agree that the iPhone is really good there, but not that the colors are better. The color cast of the lights is good, but not the colors overall. Why I say this? Because the color of the building is lost bellow the street lights, something that the P40 (and P30) managed to preserve. That color sensor is really being used in this scene.

And while this isn't ideal, we can always count on Huawei to improve after launch. These are new sensors, like you can see on that comparison there's still bugs that needs to be fixed.

For the S20U... I don't like that you need to use Night Mode, and it's a bit too bright.

Link | Posted on Mar 27, 2020 at 13:17 UTC
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Imager of: And no one cares because no one can afford buying these needless toys at this time. 😷

It's actually cheaper than the competition.

Link | Posted on Mar 27, 2020 at 13:08 UTC
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LoSPt1: I'm stunned by the results from ultra wide angle lens more than from the main one, everything looks so much sharper than Galaxy or iPhone even though the effective resolution is lower(12MP v.s. 40MP that bins down to 2.5MP through 16 in 1 binning). I genuinely wonder what kind of black magic Huawei used to achieve this feat? I was expecting better from the main 50MP snapper, however.

A bit over sharpened actually, it was better in the Mate 30P.

Link | Posted on Mar 27, 2020 at 13:07 UTC
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(unknown member): Ohhh... Fumble!

18mm ultrawide? That ain't "ultrawide" nowadays. I was hoping they'd make it 12mm.

23mm standard wide? What's going on here? This is too wide for a standard wide. It ought to be 28mm.

"3x" 80mm is good. But would be better at 85mm or 105mm.

That periscoping 10x is cool, assuming IQ is "good".

Meh, only the 10x is exciting... :(

@Bernie Lowe
Yes, class leading.
The field of view is narrower, yes, but compare the quality.
Because that ultra-wide camera have sharpening applied, contrary to the main camera, some may prefer that using that.

Link | Posted on Mar 27, 2020 at 03:32 UTC
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DejayRezme: So the standard 23mm camera should have something like a 3.48x crop factor and about f6.6. The ultrawide a crop factor of 4.2x and f7.5.
From the depth of field / total light gathering not better than the Oppo Find X2 Pro (f6.5) or the Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro (f6.1) but comparable to MFT with kit zoom lens and close to an APS-C with kit zoom.

What would interest me most is a comparison test about the potential for video shooting, e.g. bitrates, encoding quality, video processing, if third party video recording apps can be used (camera2 api support), Raw support with gcam.

In practice Huawei sensors are unmatched in low light.

Link | Posted on Mar 27, 2020 at 03:26 UTC
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Math3w: Nice Camera but with their Chinese OS instead of Android it's just an useless piece of junk.

It's actually Android.

Link | Posted on Mar 26, 2020 at 23:14 UTC
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(unknown member): Ohhh... Fumble!

18mm ultrawide? That ain't "ultrawide" nowadays. I was hoping they'd make it 12mm.

23mm standard wide? What's going on here? This is too wide for a standard wide. It ought to be 28mm.

"3x" 80mm is good. But would be better at 85mm or 105mm.

That periscoping 10x is cool, assuming IQ is "good".

Meh, only the 10x is exciting... :(

At least that 18mm is class leading.
But I agree with the 23mm, I thought the same. This was a good opportunity to go with 35mm.

Link | Posted on Mar 26, 2020 at 23:11 UTC
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jim seekers: What is the difference between the P40 Pro and P40 Pro Plus when it comes to cameras, does the P40 Pro Plus a longer Zoom and better video etc.

The plus have longer zoom (but with a poorer sensor) plus the 3x from the non pro model and more RAM.

Link | Posted on Mar 26, 2020 at 23:10 UTC
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C plus plus: Are these no longer Android?
The P30 Pro compares pretty well still and is now a bargain.

Of course they are, they are just AOSP without the Google Services pre installed and Huawei interface on top.
But you don't need Google's services, the phone already comes with an alternate store and you can uses others, like Amazon store of whatever you prefer.

Link | Posted on Mar 26, 2020 at 23:08 UTC
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Roland Karlsson: I wonder, do they have a valid point? Some, in the replies says the app was crap or outdated or both and that is likely the reason for failure. Maybe, I do not know. I do not know the app.

More interesting, I think, is whether that fragmentation really is a big problem for app makers. It could be. We saw that with Java ME for the pre-smart phones. The fragmentation totally destroyed the market then.

And do Android phone makers make the same mistake?

Fragmentation of the OS isn't the problem.
The problem from what I understand is that different manufactures gives different levels of access to the camera hardware. The level of access vary from phone to phone and for the different cameras in a same phone.

I don't understand the drama, just make your program and if manufacturers don't give access to something is their loss.

Link | Posted on Mar 3, 2020 at 15:43 UTC

All stabilization of smartphone cameras today works on the lens. I don't believe that we'll ever see this stabilization of a phone for real, in a regular commercial product, because I remember when a few years ago Vivo demonstrated that they had succeeded in making phone's camera with stabilization in the sensor instead of in the lens. It was never sold.

Link | Posted on Feb 29, 2020 at 02:42 UTC as 4th comment | 1 reply
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Lee Jay: There's a super-shocking spec on these that wasn't mentioned. The FOV of the main camera on the S20 and S20+ is 26mm-equivalent (79° diagonal). The telephoto camera is 28mm-equivalent (76°). Since the telephoto camera is 64MP, that's how they get 8k video - it all has to come from the telephoto camera. It also means that almost all the actual telephoto is from the smaller 0.8 micron pixels on the telephoto camera vs the 1.8 micron pixels on the "main" camera. Another way to look at it is, the main camera is just for low-light, while the telephoto camera is for everything else.

The telephoto only records, for what I understood, when you selects 8K. When recording on other resolution the phone uses the others sensors (it can also record using the ultra-wide and deliver that super stabilization).

Link | Posted on Feb 12, 2020 at 02:18 UTC
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nerd2: It's 2020 and Samsung somehow crammed huge sensor (which is actually LARGER than 2/3" sensor old F707 used) into 8mm thick phone. And we have computational photography to make it even better.

This line is not the only one using sensors that big.
The trick to make the phone thin is in the poor toy lens.

Link | Posted on Feb 12, 2020 at 02:16 UTC
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