Menneisyys

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On article Elevating X-Trans? Fujifilm X-T2 Review (2197 comments in total)

"Compared with the a6300 which uses a very similar sensor, you can see similar luminance noise levels but lower levels of chroma noise - suggesting it's being suppressed somewhere along the line." - as has been discussed numerous times, color noise is inherently lower with X-Trans. And this is NOT caused by any kind of RAW baking.

Link | Posted on Jan 14, 2017 at 21:23 UTC as 18th comment | 1 reply
In reply to:

Antonio De Santis: Pentax Pixel Shift Mode....It is not yet supported... :(

Get Iridient. Its Pixel Shift support is excellent - I've been using it with my K1 RAW's.

Link | Posted on Dec 1, 2016 at 16:00 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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Menneisyys: Excerpt: "At lower light levels things unfortunately look slightly different. Due to the slower aperture and lack of optical image stabilization in the 56mm camera module, the stock camera app decides it is best to use the wide-angle lens and zoom digitally in lower light, as you can see in the samples below. This essentially means that with the stock camera app, in anything darker than a well-lit interior, the tele-lens is deactivated."

I would also add that this
1, can't be circumvented while using the stock Camera app (you can't force the phone to use the tele sensor) and

2, the app's decision is ONLY based on the light levels and not on, say, being on a tripod, that is, accelerometer etc. sensor input. This, regretfully, means that you can't shoot with the tele lens in worse light, not even from a tripod.

This is VERY bad news as, otherwise, the 4K recording quality of the camera isn't at all bad. (Continued below.)

I yesterday asked the developer of ProCam about the (forced) tele video camera use. He answered the following:

"We have it on our to do list for the next update."

This is certainly great news! That is, if you don't want to fork out some 17 euros for Mavis but need tele camera support in video mode in lower light, you only need to wait a bit more.

Link | Posted on Nov 9, 2016 at 06:52 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
In reply to:

RobbyJA: I am new here so maybe I am missing something.
Are these Phone/Camera scores competing in their own category or are these scores going up against regular DSLRs?
If that's the case are they saying an iPhone 7+ takes better pictures than a Canon EOS 7D Mark II ?

Sorry for asking such a basic question but this 88 Sore vs the Canons 84 score has me confused. Especially after looking at the photos shot on both of them.

Their own category only. You can't meaningfully compare the noise / DR of even the S7 (let alone the iPhone 7+!) to, say, even m43 or 1" sensors.

Link | Posted on Nov 9, 2016 at 06:48 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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Menneisyys: Also of particular interest is stereoscopic shooting (using both lens for still image shooting with some (very limited!) 3D support), which I've done quite a bit with the phone.

Unfortunately, it gives you a pretty weak 3D feeling as the two lens' distance is exactly 10mm. It's the same as that of Panasonic's 3D lens (Panasonic Lumix G 3D 12.5mm), though. That is, it performs in exactly the same way WRT stereoscopic effect.

Unfortunately, you can't operate the two cameras at exactly the same time, which means you will want to use a tripod and you can ONLY shoot static subjects. (This also means you can't shoot video.)

However, with close, absolutely static subjects (e.g., a flower), shooting from a tripod, I had pretty good results. I can even post my .MPO files showing my shots.

(Continued below)

For stereoscopic shooting on the 7+, I personally recommend "ProCam 4 - Manual Camera + RAW" by Samer Azzam. It, WRT stereoscopic imaging, fully supports the 7+: it can make in-app stereoscopic images utilizing the two lens on the back.

Those images aren't exported as industry-standard

- .MPO,
- anaglyph or
- side-by-side

image files, but their export can easily be processed by, say, the inexpensive "Stereo Master" (on OS X) - I've created a lot of stereoscopic images using the ProCam 4 and "Stereo Master" combo with my 7+.

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 10:22 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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Ghislain Leduc: Anyone got a great RAW apps to shoot in manual mode? I really can'T find a good one where I would choose Aperture Priority per example :)

Tks a bunch in advance!

I personally recommend "ProCam 4 - Manual Camera + RAW" by Samer Azzam. It almost fully supports the 7+; for example,

- it allows for manually switching to the tele lens
- it can make in-app stereoscopic images (see my writeup above) utilizing the two lens on the back. Those images aren't exported as industry-standard
- .MPO,
- anaglyph or
- side-by-side

image files, but their export can easily be processed by, say, the inexpensive "Stereo Master" (on OS X) - I've created a lot of stereoscopic images using the ProCam 4 and "Stereo Master" combo with my 7+.

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 10:21 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
In reply to:

Menneisyys: Excerpt: "At lower light levels things unfortunately look slightly different. Due to the slower aperture and lack of optical image stabilization in the 56mm camera module, the stock camera app decides it is best to use the wide-angle lens and zoom digitally in lower light, as you can see in the samples below. This essentially means that with the stock camera app, in anything darker than a well-lit interior, the tele-lens is deactivated."

I would also add that this
1, can't be circumvented while using the stock Camera app (you can't force the phone to use the tele sensor) and

2, the app's decision is ONLY based on the light levels and not on, say, being on a tripod, that is, accelerometer etc. sensor input. This, regretfully, means that you can't shoot with the tele lens in worse light, not even from a tripod.

This is VERY bad news as, otherwise, the 4K recording quality of the camera isn't at all bad. (Continued below.)

"Use Mavis. That lets you select the tele lens for video. "

Thanks for the heads-up; I give it a try.

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 07:19 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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Menneisyys: Let me also elaborate on the Portrait mode.

First, it can ONLY be reliably used to shoot portraits, preferably without large earrings or anything that would be over a background far away (more on this later). While you can shoot non-humans, you need to keep in mind that the “fake bokeh” is very easy to get fully messed up. This, unfortunately, hasn't changed in the beta testing: 10.1beta1 had exactly the same problems as the current iOS 10.1.1 (or 10.2b1).

If you closely examine the “fake bokeh” shots, you can clearly see the phone doesn't make extensive use of the stereoscopic vision provided by the two cameras: even subjects very close to the camera (that is, seen very differently, with articulated 3D difference) can be considered very far.

Let me show you some examples, all shot by me:

(Cont'd below)

All in all, Apple could have come up with a far better fake bokeh implementation - one that does makes use of the stereoscopic information, provided by the two lens at the same time, to *exactly* know the exact distance of every pixel in the image from the camera. Then, the fake bokeh could have been perfect.

Too bad they haven't done so - this is why their fake bokeh implementation is so easy to fool with for example bike spokes or even (when shooting strictly human portraits) earrings.

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 07:18 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)

Excerpt: "Image output size is about the same as with the wide-angle lens but you cannot quite capture an entire 360 degree circle."

As I've already pointed out below, you can't do this (shoot 360-degree panos) with the wide lens either.

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 06:45 UTC as 26th comment
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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SammyToronto: Not sold on the usefulness of the short telephoto lens, even in bright light. It's markedly less sharp than the main lens, which is, in turn, less sharp that the lens on the Samsung S7 (I've used the iPhone 7 and the S7). So I find that optically zoomed images on the iPhone are hardly any sharper than the digitally zoomed ones on the S7.

"The S7 uses a more aggressive sharpening and uncomfortably so in certain situations."

Exactly - that's the single biggest problem of all later Samsung flagships.

Fortunately,

- you can shoot RAW right from the stock Camera app

- the camera hardware (apart from the OIS effectiveness and, of course, lack of a second camera) is certainly better-quality (larger sensor (1/2.6 vs. 1/3), wider aperture (1.7 vs 1.8) etc) than that of the 7+.

That is, if you do shoot RAW (and don't need zooming), the S7 does produce better images. (Unless, again, you shoot video and depend on OIS.)

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 06:42 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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fullstop: The portrait and bokeh aspects of the iPhone are beta and clumsy in their implementation. Like most companies they create on a trial and error basis with the consumer paying for the R&D directly.
.

This highlights the lack of understanding by technology companies like apple on the changes in social media. Making the cameras DSLR type is stupid considering most users have never used a DSLR nor do they care. All that is wanted is a good photographic result that they can use to communicate with not playing with some antsy fancy clumsy software

They could have come up with a far better implementation - one that does make sure of the stereoscopic information, provided by the two lens at the same time, to exactly know the exact distance of every pixel in the image.

Too bad they haven't done so - this is why their fake bokeh implementation is so easy to fool with for example bike spokes or even earrings. (See my example shots below.)

Link | Posted on Nov 8, 2016 at 06:39 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
In reply to:

Menneisyys: Excerpt: "At lower light levels things unfortunately look slightly different. Due to the slower aperture and lack of optical image stabilization in the 56mm camera module, the stock camera app decides it is best to use the wide-angle lens and zoom digitally in lower light, as you can see in the samples below. This essentially means that with the stock camera app, in anything darker than a well-lit interior, the tele-lens is deactivated."

I would also add that this
1, can't be circumvented while using the stock Camera app (you can't force the phone to use the tele sensor) and

2, the app's decision is ONLY based on the light levels and not on, say, being on a tripod, that is, accelerometer etc. sensor input. This, regretfully, means that you can't shoot with the tele lens in worse light, not even from a tripod.

This is VERY bad news as, otherwise, the 4K recording quality of the camera isn't at all bad. (Continued below.)

By the way, here are two pairs of video framegrabs showing that, even when shooting video on a tripod (that is, the lack of OIS wouldn't cause problems), "2x zoomed" videos are shot using digital zoom and not the long lens. I've shot the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoU4SWcQ0nM zooming in twice and, later, grabbing two pairs frames immediately before and after zooming in so that you can, on the pixel level, compare the actual (true) resolution of the footage.

First pair: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/29545681684/in/album-72157674799495136/ , https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/30174691235/in/album-72157674799495136/

Second pair: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/30060119432/in/album-72157674799495136/ , https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/30060121772/in/album-72157674799495136/

(zoomed in first, zoomed out second)

If you do zoom on to, say, the books, you can see they don't have better-readable titles on the "zoomed" framegrab.

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 20:36 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
In reply to:

Menneisyys: Let me also elaborate on the Portrait mode.

First, it can ONLY be reliably used to shoot portraits, preferably without large earrings or anything that would be over a background far away (more on this later). While you can shoot non-humans, you need to keep in mind that the “fake bokeh” is very easy to get fully messed up. This, unfortunately, hasn't changed in the beta testing: 10.1beta1 had exactly the same problems as the current iOS 10.1.1 (or 10.2b1).

If you closely examine the “fake bokeh” shots, you can clearly see the phone doesn't make extensive use of the stereoscopic vision provided by the two cameras: even subjects very close to the camera (that is, seen very differently, with articulated 3D difference) can be considered very far.

Let me show you some examples, all shot by me:

(Cont'd below)

(Cont'd from above)

(Note: these are all selfies shot by myself. This is why I can be seen “suffering” in many of these shots – it's very hard to shoot Portrait-mode selfies. Particularly when it's very cold and all you'd want is going into a warm(er) place.)

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 20:28 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
In reply to:

Menneisyys: Let me also elaborate on the Portrait mode.

First, it can ONLY be reliably used to shoot portraits, preferably without large earrings or anything that would be over a background far away (more on this later). While you can shoot non-humans, you need to keep in mind that the “fake bokeh” is very easy to get fully messed up. This, unfortunately, hasn't changed in the beta testing: 10.1beta1 had exactly the same problems as the current iOS 10.1.1 (or 10.2b1).

If you closely examine the “fake bokeh” shots, you can clearly see the phone doesn't make extensive use of the stereoscopic vision provided by the two cameras: even subjects very close to the camera (that is, seen very differently, with articulated 3D difference) can be considered very far.

Let me show you some examples, all shot by me:

(Cont'd below)

(Cont'd from above)

A horse's head: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/29545038273/in/album-72157673597711672/ - see the ring at the bottom of the reins? See how, while it's very close to the phone, considered to be a “far” item and, accordingly, strong fake bokeh is applied to it? (Non-fakebokeh version: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/29545039993/in/album-72157673597711672/ )

Bike spokes: these shots are absolutely terrible: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/29545551084/in/album-72157674799034366/ , https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/29545543124/in/album-72157674799034366/ etc.

An ideal Portrait subject is like me in the following shots: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/albums/72157671367838004 because:

- no earrings over background
- no hair (I wear a cap – it's very cold here in Finland)

(Cont'd below)

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 20:28 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)

Let me also elaborate on the Portrait mode.

First, it can ONLY be reliably used to shoot portraits, preferably without large earrings or anything that would be over a background far away (more on this later). While you can shoot non-humans, you need to keep in mind that the “fake bokeh” is very easy to get fully messed up. This, unfortunately, hasn't changed in the beta testing: 10.1beta1 had exactly the same problems as the current iOS 10.1.1 (or 10.2b1).

If you closely examine the “fake bokeh” shots, you can clearly see the phone doesn't make extensive use of the stereoscopic vision provided by the two cameras: even subjects very close to the camera (that is, seen very differently, with articulated 3D difference) can be considered very far.

Let me show you some examples, all shot by me:

(Cont'd below)

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 20:27 UTC as 34th comment | 3 replies
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
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Menneisyys: Also of particular interest is stereoscopic shooting (using both lens for still image shooting with some (very limited!) 3D support), which I've done quite a bit with the phone.

Unfortunately, it gives you a pretty weak 3D feeling as the two lens' distance is exactly 10mm. It's the same as that of Panasonic's 3D lens (Panasonic Lumix G 3D 12.5mm), though. That is, it performs in exactly the same way WRT stereoscopic effect.

Unfortunately, you can't operate the two cameras at exactly the same time, which means you will want to use a tripod and you can ONLY shoot static subjects. (This also means you can't shoot video.)

However, with close, absolutely static subjects (e.g., a flower), shooting from a tripod, I had pretty good results. I can even post my .MPO files showing my shots.

(Continued below)

(Continued from above)

Nevertheless, a FinePix REAL 3D W3 is a significantly better stereoscopic camera: no tripod needed, non-static subjects can be shot, it has the eye distance of that of an ordinary human (around 70mm), meaning the far better sensing of 3D and also video is supported. That is, you use the 7+ if you absolutely don't want to get a decent (but still relatively affordable, see W3) camera. Otherwise, even the above-mentioned Panasonic is a better solution.

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 20:07 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)

Also of particular interest is stereoscopic shooting (using both lens for still image shooting with some (very limited!) 3D support), which I've done quite a bit with the phone.

Unfortunately, it gives you a pretty weak 3D feeling as the two lens' distance is exactly 10mm. It's the same as that of Panasonic's 3D lens (Panasonic Lumix G 3D 12.5mm), though. That is, it performs in exactly the same way WRT stereoscopic effect.

Unfortunately, you can't operate the two cameras at exactly the same time, which means you will want to use a tripod and you can ONLY shoot static subjects. (This also means you can't shoot video.)

However, with close, absolutely static subjects (e.g., a flower), shooting from a tripod, I had pretty good results. I can even post my .MPO files showing my shots.

(Continued below)

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 20:07 UTC as 37th comment | 2 replies
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)
In reply to:

Menneisyys: Excerpt: "At lower light levels things unfortunately look slightly different. Due to the slower aperture and lack of optical image stabilization in the 56mm camera module, the stock camera app decides it is best to use the wide-angle lens and zoom digitally in lower light, as you can see in the samples below. This essentially means that with the stock camera app, in anything darker than a well-lit interior, the tele-lens is deactivated."

I would also add that this
1, can't be circumvented while using the stock Camera app (you can't force the phone to use the tele sensor) and

2, the app's decision is ONLY based on the light levels and not on, say, being on a tripod, that is, accelerometer etc. sensor input. This, regretfully, means that you can't shoot with the tele lens in worse light, not even from a tripod.

This is VERY bad news as, otherwise, the 4K recording quality of the camera isn't at all bad. (Continued below.)

Continued from above.

I've shot the (as of 07/Nov) last four videos at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRCMHcDIpnQxV7F96Kv_PJ1OvRFcaS0E6 with my 7+. (The previous several videos, between 15/Sep and 29/Sep, have all been shot with the Samsung S7 Edge.) Unfortunately, because of the pretty low lighting, while I did use a tripod, I couldn't use the tele lens without it using simple digital cropping.

This is a serious restriction. Regretfully, probably the best third-party app to support the 7+, “ProCam”, still doesn't support shooting video with the tele lens. (It does allow the forced selection of the tele lens in still photo mode. That is, if you do shoot stills, you can use the tele lens even if there's little light. Of course, you'll want to use some stabilization – e.g., shooting from a tripod.)

I've discussed this question with the developer and he stated there hasn't been sufficient demand for forced tele lens support in video mode. He may implement it some time, though.

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 19:48 UTC
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)

Excerpt: "At lower light levels things unfortunately look slightly different. Due to the slower aperture and lack of optical image stabilization in the 56mm camera module, the stock camera app decides it is best to use the wide-angle lens and zoom digitally in lower light, as you can see in the samples below. This essentially means that with the stock camera app, in anything darker than a well-lit interior, the tele-lens is deactivated."

I would also add that this
1, can't be circumvented while using the stock Camera app (you can't force the phone to use the tele sensor) and

2, the app's decision is ONLY based on the light levels and not on, say, being on a tripod, that is, accelerometer etc. sensor input. This, regretfully, means that you can't shoot with the tele lens in worse light, not even from a tripod.

This is VERY bad news as, otherwise, the 4K recording quality of the camera isn't at all bad. (Continued below.)

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 19:48 UTC as 38th comment | 6 replies
On article Next level: iPhone 7 Plus camera review (185 comments in total)

Excerpt: "A full 360-degree image measures approximately 16400 x 3900 pixels or a whopping 65MP."

Unfortunately, the iPhone still doesn't shoot full 360 degrees, only between 200-220 degrees. Unlike, say, the various Samsung models; for example, the S7 (Edge).

Link | Posted on Nov 7, 2016 at 19:44 UTC as 39th comment
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