Simon Joinson

Simon Joinson

DPReview Administrator
Lives in United States SEATTLE, WA, United States
Works as a Editor, writer, photographer
Has a website at www.dpreview.com
Joined on Jul 9, 2002
About me:

This is my work. My family is my life. Dedicated to keeping my baby girl alive and free from the effects of Cystic Fibrosis as long as I can. http://www.cff.org/

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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

@impulses - that's the plan (though honestly i don't really want people sharing links that switch the color theme so we need to deal with that too).

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:24 UTC
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martianphoto: Personally I like the white version - much more eye friendly.
Keep up the good work.

it's almost like different folks have different opinions and that we should offer a choice.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:22 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

ah ok well we do remember your choice using our cookie, but it is eventually going to be a choice in your settings (i.e. stored on the server side). Remember though, that links you click on may specify the threaded or flat view, which is a bigger problem for us to solve.
SJ

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:22 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

honestly i'm not surprised, since pretty much every popular website from google to Facebook to eBay to amazon to twitter to linkedin to basically all newspapers to virtually all camera review websites and forums are designed on a pale or white background - it's what people are used to seeing. And yes, threaded view takes some getting used to, but we'd have torches and pitchforks outside DPR towers if we ever got rid of that.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 19:51 UTC
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yousaf: I can't find "color scheme" at the bottom of every forums page. ? where it is ?

it's at the bottom of every forum index page (since this is the only thing it affects) - so main forum pages and threaded view pages (because flat view has no index of posts therefore doesn't need the legacy grey/yellow skin).

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 19:44 UTC
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Thomas Traub: NO, the site does not remenber my setting "black" because of safety-reasons my browser is adjusted to delete all cookies after shutdown of the programm. And I think most of the carefull users do this! So every time I start the browser (and it starts automaticly with the dpreview-site) I have the white screen ....... sorry, that's a no-go.

And I don't want to login every time, 95 % of the time I'm only watching the content, only in 5 % I login to write a comment or to post someting.

In German we have a word for this: "verschlimmbessern" - that means to make things worse by trying to improve them .......

sorry, white is unprofessional and it's bad for my eyes and pictures look completely differen with a white background. It has a reasonable reason that every photographer has his studio in black, every camera-man is dressed in black ......

we're looking at a solution for the two of you who have this complaint (I'm sure you're not the only ones). For now you're going to have to click once on the theme switch at every visit if you're not logged in and have cleared your cookies. I've been using this for a few weeks now and find myself switching between the themes depending on where i am, the device i'm using and what i'm looking at. i've not found the process too onerous yet.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 19:40 UTC
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Sandhurst: Please revert back to black by default. I respect your right to tweak the appearance of the website, but I personally don't like the new look and prefer the black theme used previously.

very few sites of this size are optimized for slow dialup connections. It's not fair but it's a fact of life.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 18:01 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

'Why would I turn off my internet connection, then I have to go through the slow process of reconnecting, for which I have to pay a small amount of money' - my point was that you don't need an internet connection to switch themes, because nothing needs to be downloaded to switch. Therefore the slow switching and slow internet connection may not be related. I'm trying to help you here... and yes, i have a good idea what arrogance is ;)

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 17:58 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

if you can post, you're logged in. If you're logged in your choice is remembered. Clicking the switch simply swaps a few styles (which are all downloaded with the page). If you're seeing slow switching that's not your connection. I can switch instantaneously with my internet connection turned off. If you're aggressively emptying your browser cache, cookies etc between sessions then you're making your life a lot harder over a slow connection by forcing your browser to re-download resources that it doesn't need to. We're not going to change the entire site to suit you, but i'm happy to have our techs work thru your problems because honestly this change should make NO difference to load speed, nor should switching take any time.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 17:55 UTC
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Petrogel: Dear DPReview, why don't you leave the black theme as a default ....... for good old times sake, and let the rest of them users to switch to white if they feel like it ?

because we had to do one or the other. Here was the thinking. The 'leave it black' camp was heavily weighted towards heavy forum users, who make up a tiny but vocal (and of course very important) slice of our audience. We assumed that since you have to be logged in to use the forums that heavily, as long as we stored your preference on our server as well as in a cookie on your device, you would only ever see the white skin if you chose to log out and clear your cookies, and even then a single click would return it. Non logged in users and new users, on the other hand, were far more engaged if the site they first saw was white, not black. We were very careful to offer a solid solution to users like you but we assumed that what we were asking (at WORST a single click on the switch every time you visit - a click you can avoid by not actively taking steps to stop it working) wasn't too much. It seems for some it was, and i can only apologize.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 17:45 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

also, try turning off your internet connection and switching themes once a page has loaded, then let me know how your connection speed affects switching.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 17:38 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

but it's not arrogance to want us to optimize a site for an audience of one?

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 17:32 UTC
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Rssrsvp: I still feel that in lieu of these 2 choices offered in the beta trial there should of been a medium gray color given as an option. That is the type of background shade that makes everything easy to read and is soothing to the eye.

that is not 'medium gray'. That's very light gray (I had to check it wasn't white on this - admittedly very contrasty - screen)

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 05:00 UTC
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alex326: Not happy with the white scheme, as I didn't like iOS7 pastel color scheme, Windows 8 tile menu, MS Office ribbons, Windows 10 light grey on grey scroll bars, the yellow/light grey on white maps unreadable on screens in bright light, the new Airliners.net white scheme. Sometimes people want to change something that really works and is well trusted, just for the sake of the change.
The new white scheme just makes things somewhat more difficult to use in a low lit environments and the use of the awful Apple inspired grey or light blue fonts on white just makes things more difficult to read in all lighting conditions.
Still, thank you for keeping the light/dark switch button handy.

we certainly considered light grey on light grey and yellow on white but in the end we decided black on white made more sense.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 03:59 UTC
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maccam: "Use the 'Reading mode' switch (top right of every page) to switch between black and white themes. Your choice is remembered."

Not really. The default is now white and I have to log in for your site to remember me. 98% of the time I never had to log in because I don't post much. Now I have to log in. Why not use black as the default? It has worked for me for the last 10 years.

JAW

right - if you don't save our cookies or log in (for registered users the choice is stored on our servers) then we have no way of knowing who you are when you visit (nor could any site).

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 00:59 UTC
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keeponkeepingon: My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

Gosh that's bad. If y'all would like to make your page look less 1999 how about adapting your width or designing your page for wide monitors. So much wasted space and nothing says "old" or "dated" like wasting 50% of my screen space.

yup, one day we'll get an actual redesign :)

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 00:20 UTC
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Rssrsvp: I still feel that in lieu of these 2 choices offered in the beta trial there should of been a medium gray color given as an option. That is the type of background shade that makes everything easy to read and is soothing to the eye.

Hi, could you show me a (text heavy) website you've used where this mid-grey works well, so we can think about whether it would even be possible in our current design? Thanks! SJ

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 00:20 UTC
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Stephen McDonald: I'll bet you see a sharp drop in new sign-ups, as long as the "light" theme comes up as default for visitors.

and if you're right, we'll switch back. Because we use facts and data to drive our decisions, and don't consider it to be 'failure' if we try something and it turns out to be wrong.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 00:09 UTC
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maccam: "Use the 'Reading mode' switch (top right of every page) to switch between black and white themes. Your choice is remembered."

Not really. The default is now white and I have to log in for your site to remember me. 98% of the time I never had to log in because I don't post much. Now I have to log in. Why not use black as the default? It has worked for me for the last 10 years.

JAW

OK your choice will now be remembered between sessions even if you don't log in (we just tweaked the cookie).

Link | Posted on Jun 24, 2016 at 23:54 UTC
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Stephen McDonald: You'd think that all these experiments and decisions about the "look" of the pages were made by 20-somethings. The "light" or dark on white option has type that is so faint and small, that it's much more difficult to read and it's harder to go up and down a page and find relevant things. The threaded view in the dark mode is essential to being able to follow a thread and spot what you want to find. I can still read the smaller type in the text box, but will I be able to do it 10 years from now?

My first reaction to the "light" look that was imposed by default when I opened up today, was to be appalled. It wasn't easy to find this explanation-----you should have posted a pop-up notice about it that would be quickly seen by anyone, anywhere on the forums. And the light background for photos is very degrading to them. We have an option of either now, but for how long? After reading some of the pro-light comments, I realize that we need a "dislike" button.

a couple of points - we ran a pop-up notice about this for 6 weeks and got daily feedback emails that would make your mother blush, so decided against more anger-generation. Also, interestingly the original black theme was chosen by a (then) 20-something, but I can assure you that this decision (to add an option people have been asking for since the late 1990's) was made by people who can hardly even remember being 20-something ;)

Link | Posted on Jun 24, 2016 at 23:05 UTC
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