Simon Joinson

Simon Joinson

DPReview Administrator
Lives in United States SEATTLE, WA, United States
Works as a Editor, writer, photographer
Has a website at www.dpreview.com
Joined on Jul 9, 2002
About me:

This is my work. My family is my life. Dedicated to keeping my baby girl alive and free from the effects of Cystic Fibrosis as long as I can. http://www.cff.org/

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mosc: I understand the two themes completely. I DON'T understand making the "light" theme the default. These are two completely different decisions DPR has made and they'er lumped together here.

Choice is great but defaulting to light is giving the wrong perception of comparative preference. Set it to dark default and see what percentage of people actually change it to light.

we're testing the white default for 30 days. We'll then have a better picture of what people prefer. If we chose wrong we'll switch back.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:55 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

You can bookmark it. I just did. It's a url. Since we're veering into the realms of tech support here I'm going to suggest continuing this somewhere outside the comments.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 14:27 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

it's a link with an instruction in it telling the server to give you the black site without having to click. You can bookmark it. And I don't know what the AMLED point about defaulting to black is, so I can't really assess it's merit. SJ

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 04:06 UTC
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ecka84: Decisions like that should never be based on opinions from mostly ignorant majority (including me, in many cases).
I find this situation silly and even pretty offensive, specially when DPR administration comments are like - "you can keep the page black" or "this was driven by user demand, nothing else" - which are just as inattentively & negligently unconcerning, as if a drug dealer would say - "don't buy heroin, if you don't like it, I'm not the problem ... you are". Many people don't care to learn about what's bad for them. Others are just careless in many departments (trust me, I'm one of them/you), even health or comfort, which to them is like an unpredictable and unmanageable magic, or god's will. That's just wrong.
"The white page makes it easier to read" - Yeah, sure, for a year or two, and then you start not seeing anything without glasses. Followed by endless discussions about 'not seeing the difference between crop and FF'.

@smilergrogan do you actually believe that? That we went to all this effort so we could undo it all 'shortly'? because DPR is a 'big corporation'? What possible benefit could we get from that beyond driving at least half our most loyal visitors away forever? This isn't brexit it's a website stylesheet change. Sheesh.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 04:03 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

Really? More than half camera review websites / forums are white text on a black background? We must visit different sites. I only look at those relevant to my job.

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 23:45 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

@ecka84, if i'd written that you would be right to protest. But I wrote 'virtually all camera review websites and forums' - 'virtually all' =/= 'every'.

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 16:53 UTC
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Photoman: White is blinding...Black is better. I mean, who owns a white camera anyway 🤗

cameras are mostly black but i think you'll find their user manuals are usually white... ;)

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 16:47 UTC
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yousaf: I can't find "color scheme" at the bottom of every forums page. ? where it is ?

well no, you won't see it in the white theme. The switch at the bottom of the forum index is visible only in the black theme (it allows users to go back even further to our original 1998 color scheme.. ). To switch between the black to the white themes use the switch at the top right of the page (as described in the first paragraph of the article you're commenting on).

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 16:31 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

Did you try the link I had my dev make for you on Saturday? The one that removes the need to switch?

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 16:11 UTC
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Kaso: While we're at it, let's have a dial/slider that goes from 1 to 16, with 1 (wide open) being the new Light mode, 16 (stopped way down) being the old Dark mode, and the in-between values being shades of grey.

so what text color would you prefer for the middle greys?

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 04:58 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

ok we have a solution for you - bookmark this url: http://www.dpreview.com/?theme=dark

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 04:46 UTC
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Thomas Traub: NO, the site does not remenber my setting "black" because of safety-reasons my browser is adjusted to delete all cookies after shutdown of the programm. And I think most of the carefull users do this! So every time I start the browser (and it starts automaticly with the dpreview-site) I have the white screen ....... sorry, that's a no-go.

And I don't want to login every time, 95 % of the time I'm only watching the content, only in 5 % I login to write a comment or to post someting.

In German we have a word for this: "verschlimmbessern" - that means to make things worse by trying to improve them .......

sorry, white is unprofessional and it's bad for my eyes and pictures look completely differen with a white background. It has a reasonable reason that every photographer has his studio in black, every camera-man is dressed in black ......

ok we have a solution for you - bookmark this url: http://www.dpreview.com/?theme=dark

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 04:46 UTC
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ecka84: Decisions like that should never be based on opinions from mostly ignorant majority (including me, in many cases).
I find this situation silly and even pretty offensive, specially when DPR administration comments are like - "you can keep the page black" or "this was driven by user demand, nothing else" - which are just as inattentively & negligently unconcerning, as if a drug dealer would say - "don't buy heroin, if you don't like it, I'm not the problem ... you are". Many people don't care to learn about what's bad for them. Others are just careless in many departments (trust me, I'm one of them/you), even health or comfort, which to them is like an unpredictable and unmanageable magic, or god's will. That's just wrong.
"The white page makes it easier to read" - Yeah, sure, for a year or two, and then you start not seeing anything without glasses. Followed by endless discussions about 'not seeing the difference between crop and FF'.

well i have to wear reading glasses and i find the white easier to read. But YMMV of course.

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 01:05 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

I'm guessing we all thought you were saying it was broken when you wrote 'Please fix the website' - as everyone keeps telling me you should only fix things that are broken....

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 00:09 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

do you press the 'back button' after changing to the flat view? That can cause problems.

Link | Posted on Jun 26, 2016 at 00:08 UTC
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justmeMN: "No colors anymore I want them to turn black" -Rolling Stones

yeah... a song about death and depression is exactly the 'feel' we've always been looking for.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:31 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: And it would be nice if switching back from white to black were easy over a slow interweb connection. But it's not. And yeah, people clear cookies.

So such arrogance.

@impulses - that's the plan (though honestly i don't really want people sharing links that switch the color theme so we need to deal with that too).

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:24 UTC
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martianphoto: Personally I like the white version - much more eye friendly.
Keep up the good work.

it's almost like different folks have different opinions and that we should offer a choice.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:22 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

ah ok well we do remember your choice using our cookie, but it is eventually going to be a choice in your settings (i.e. stored on the server side). Remember though, that links you click on may specify the threaded or flat view, which is a bigger problem for us to solve.
SJ

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 21:22 UTC
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brumd: Very surprising and interesting to read that generally there is 70/30 majority in favour of the light theme, and that people who do use that light theme spend twice as much time on the website. If you look at the comment section you get the impression this would be exactly reverse.

It makes me wonder what that means for the forum: what really keeps me away there is this default 'threaded view'.
It could be interesting to find out what the ratio really is of people preferring flat view/threaded view.
I would love to have an option there to never see that 'threaded view' again. I would read so much more there.

BTW: I like the light theme and the new font.

honestly i'm not surprised, since pretty much every popular website from google to Facebook to eBay to amazon to twitter to linkedin to basically all newspapers to virtually all camera review websites and forums are designed on a pale or white background - it's what people are used to seeing. And yes, threaded view takes some getting used to, but we'd have torches and pitchforks outside DPR towers if we ever got rid of that.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 19:51 UTC
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