Bumblebees

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Trolly: Why no proper 8K monitors yet?

@trolly

You wrote ” I find it a bit pointless to shoot my 50 MP camera ”.

What is really pointless is to shoot with your high mp camera with great colorspace and look at pictures on a monitor which have low colorspace, and not hardware calibrated.

Link | Posted on Feb 1, 2023 at 06:03 UTC
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silentstorm: I sure hope such pro monitors come with 75Hz and/or 90Hz refresh options to reduce eye strains. That would be super duper! The 27" fits nicely on my desk.

Hertz and flicker isnt the same thing as already mentioned.

But most of the brands uses pvm (pulse) to drive their monitors.
So, if monitor brightness is high, the pulse is high, hence low flickering problem. But when you lower the light on the monitor, beacause e.g your room is darker, you can get flicker.

Link | Posted on Feb 1, 2023 at 05:59 UTC
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rockjano: LG has OLED technology... Isn't that better than any IPS Black or similar LED story??? (that one is also crazy expensive)

@theorist the BVM X310 is not an OLED. It uses the same twin layer IPS panels like the EIZO (and the old Flanders).

However, Sony did have an grade 1 OLED monitor, but they had to pull it back since it wasent good enough. No OLEDS can reach the same level as the twin layers (yet).

Link | Posted on Jan 31, 2023 at 21:36 UTC
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Sordes Pilosus: I did work on CRT-monitors, and I remember when first LCD-monitors appeared, there were some glossy screens in ghe shops. But users really believed, and many still do, that matte screens do not reflect light, and didn't bought glossy. But all LCD screens are glossy by nature, and matte finish is just a matte film, like glued polyethilen bag on the screen. It always makes the screen worse by
1. replacing glossy reflections with more pronounced diffuse, thus capturing any Envinromental light heavelly readucing contrast in the daytime.
2. reduce somehow contrast in the night
3. Add "crystall effect"
4 reducing sharpness.

As Eve Spectrum - glossy 4K high-quality screen exist, I'd prefer to buy it.

First you gathered your knowledge from youtube and now you have worked on a 30.000$ monitor?

I’m sorry, you are still wrong. Why not actullay get in contact with a real colorist ask instead?

Link | Posted on Jan 9, 2023 at 17:03 UTC
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Sordes Pilosus: I did work on CRT-monitors, and I remember when first LCD-monitors appeared, there were some glossy screens in ghe shops. But users really believed, and many still do, that matte screens do not reflect light, and didn't bought glossy. But all LCD screens are glossy by nature, and matte finish is just a matte film, like glued polyethilen bag on the screen. It always makes the screen worse by
1. replacing glossy reflections with more pronounced diffuse, thus capturing any Envinromental light heavelly readucing contrast in the daytime.
2. reduce somehow contrast in the night
3. Add "crystall effect"
4 reducing sharpness.

As Eve Spectrum - glossy 4K high-quality screen exist, I'd prefer to buy it.

Are you banned for seeing one in real life?
They are far from being ”apple glossy”, very far.

Totally different surface.

I think you are locked on office/gaming monitors.

A semi high end graphical monitor (2000-3000$) even thoug it is matte, isnt the same matte as gaming/office monitors.

Link | Posted on Jan 9, 2023 at 14:03 UTC
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Sordes Pilosus: I did work on CRT-monitors, and I remember when first LCD-monitors appeared, there were some glossy screens in ghe shops. But users really believed, and many still do, that matte screens do not reflect light, and didn't bought glossy. But all LCD screens are glossy by nature, and matte finish is just a matte film, like glued polyethilen bag on the screen. It always makes the screen worse by
1. replacing glossy reflections with more pronounced diffuse, thus capturing any Envinromental light heavelly readucing contrast in the daytime.
2. reduce somehow contrast in the night
3. Add "crystall effect"
4 reducing sharpness.

As Eve Spectrum - glossy 4K high-quality screen exist, I'd prefer to buy it.

Yes, and its not glossy either. The EIZO Prominence uses the same panels and the colorists working with theese two do what ever they can to minimise reflections. They even have e.g. grey clothes + an heavily controlled environment (special grey walls, only lights behind the monitor, curtains etc).

Link | Posted on Jan 9, 2023 at 07:43 UTC
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rockjano: LG has OLED technology... Isn't that better than any IPS Black or similar LED story??? (that one is also crazy expensive)

@rockjano

This sums it up pretty well:

https://www.lightillusion.com/why_calibrate.html

Link | Posted on Jan 9, 2023 at 07:29 UTC
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rockjano: LG has OLED technology... Isn't that better than any IPS Black or similar LED story??? (that one is also crazy expensive)

The biggest issue within monitors among many of us is lack of knowledge.
Thats even the case within Dpreview.

Link | Posted on Jan 9, 2023 at 06:25 UTC
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rockjano: LG has OLED technology... Isn't that better than any IPS Black or similar LED story??? (that one is also crazy expensive)

A factory calibration is more of a qc check before the monitor leaves the plant. And the quality of the qc is up to the manufacturers qc demands.
And every single panel has its own ”fingerprint” (uniformity), that needs to be adjusted panel for panel, hence one of the big difference in the price of the panels.

Moreover, its very important that the monitor is calibrated in the environment were its used.

How often should you calibrate? Well, if you are within the pro environment I would say every week. But some manufacturers recommend every 200 hours.

Link | Posted on Jan 9, 2023 at 06:21 UTC
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rockjano: LG has OLED technology... Isn't that better than any IPS Black or similar LED story??? (that one is also crazy expensive)

And you dont see OLED as color critical monitors at colorists etc.

But undependet of any monitor tech, the absolut main thing -
If you are going to work with pictures or color grade movies - is that it must be able to hardware calibrate the monitor.
Otherwise its like buying an violin without tuningpegs.

Second most important is the ability to be able to work with many profiles/save own profiles, on the monitor.

Link | Posted on Jan 8, 2023 at 21:38 UTC
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It will be fine: For me the non-matte panel surface of the Studio Display is the headline feature. It has some really good coatings that immensely reduce the brightness of any reflections which the LG Ultrafine lacks. They are key in the design of modern lenses which many of us fancy. Compared to the omnipresent matte glow in everyday ambient light on my secondary panel the Studio Display is a black hole. Also the remaining reflections are on a farther focal plane which makes it really easy to ignore when you focus on the displayed content.
I really don't get the fanaticism with matte coatings. It seems to me like a overcompensation for the early 2000s super glossy everything era.
Also I wouldn't call the nano-texture option on the Studio Display an upgrade. It is an option for a special use case and not a general improvement which Apple wants you to pay for because they like to do so.
So I think this Samsung will not be able to compete simply because of the mattedness.

@it will be fine.
The funny thing is that you cant judge if a color is fine/right.
We as humans doesnt have that capabillity.

Look at this:
http://www.psy.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/Eyecolorconstancysignal2.jpg

If you edit pictures on your Studio display, they will not look the same on the print, and probably will viewers via other monitors perhaps see your pictures as quite poor of colors and maybe lacking contrast, since your monitor exagregate them a lot. You dont get what you see.

Link | Posted on Jan 8, 2023 at 21:31 UTC
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Sordes Pilosus: I did work on CRT-monitors, and I remember when first LCD-monitors appeared, there were some glossy screens in ghe shops. But users really believed, and many still do, that matte screens do not reflect light, and didn't bought glossy. But all LCD screens are glossy by nature, and matte finish is just a matte film, like glued polyethilen bag on the screen. It always makes the screen worse by
1. replacing glossy reflections with more pronounced diffuse, thus capturing any Envinromental light heavelly readucing contrast in the daytime.
2. reduce somehow contrast in the night
3. Add "crystall effect"
4 reducing sharpness.

As Eve Spectrum - glossy 4K high-quality screen exist, I'd prefer to buy it.

Ok Sordes, so name one professional monitor that has a glossy surface.

Link | Posted on Jan 8, 2023 at 21:14 UTC
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rockjano: LG has OLED technology... Isn't that better than any IPS Black or similar LED story??? (that one is also crazy expensive)

It depends.
Oled has is blacker/can be black. On the other hand OLED lacks brightness.
Moreover (which is easy to see in eg sportsbars) the blue color has shorter lifetime than the others.

Link | Posted on Jan 8, 2023 at 21:05 UTC
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gaseouscreature: The LG 5K is fabulous and now only 1100.00 at some stores. Hard to beat.

See the panel as the sensor guys - the sensor works as an solar panel = it records physical energy via a lot of lens elements and creates a digital signal., The panel works in the other direction, meaning creating physical energy from a digital signal through a lot of different filters. The rest, meaning wiring, camera processing, buffer is a different thing.

So even if eg Nikon uses Sony sensors it doesnt mean that they are the same. The Nikon sensors has different wiring and the camera has different processors.

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 21:49 UTC
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gaseouscreature: The LG 5K is fabulous and now only 1100.00 at some stores. Hard to beat.

See the panel as the sensor guys - the sensor works as an solar panel = it records physical energy via a lot of lens elements and creates a digital signal., The panel works in the other direction, meaning creating physical energy from a digital signal through a lot of different filters. The rest, meaning wiring, camera processing, buffer is a different thing.

So even if eg Nikon uses Sony sensors it doesnt mean that they are the same. The Nikon sensors has different wiring and the camera has different processors.

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 21:46 UTC
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Sordes Pilosus: I did work on CRT-monitors, and I remember when first LCD-monitors appeared, there were some glossy screens in ghe shops. But users really believed, and many still do, that matte screens do not reflect light, and didn't bought glossy. But all LCD screens are glossy by nature, and matte finish is just a matte film, like glued polyethilen bag on the screen. It always makes the screen worse by
1. replacing glossy reflections with more pronounced diffuse, thus capturing any Envinromental light heavelly readucing contrast in the daytime.
2. reduce somehow contrast in the night
3. Add "crystall effect"
4 reducing sharpness.

As Eve Spectrum - glossy 4K high-quality screen exist, I'd prefer to buy it.

And the funny thing is…
There ar no true professional monitors that uses a glossy panel/surface. Because glossy panels creates a lot of reflections.

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 21:32 UTC
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Bumblebees: My wish list for 2023 is that Dpreview hire pro’s for their monitor testing/monitor competence. It needs to be much closer to the camera depts’ skills.

My suggestion is to start by learning from the german test site prad.de

https://www.prad.de/test-kaufberatung/testberichte/test-monitore/

I just read the Apple Studio Display review at Rtings.com
Its funny:) They write e.g.: Sadly, there's no local dimming feature to improve this
The quote above is regarding black level. Its hilarius.
Local dimming is a big no,no when it comes to work with pictures/movies.
Blooming effect is one big disadvantage. And the black level has nothing to do with local dimming. Black level comes from the initial quality of the panel (if we talk about IPS, VA or TN panel)

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 20:22 UTC
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Bumblebees: My wish list for 2023 is that Dpreview hire pro’s for their monitor testing/monitor competence. It needs to be much closer to the camera depts’ skills.

My suggestion is to start by learning from the german test site prad.de

https://www.prad.de/test-kaufberatung/testberichte/test-monitore/

Well, dive down on the tests of graphic monitors for a while.

https://www.prad.de/top10/top-10-bestenliste-27-zoll-grafik-monitore/

Rtings cant test graphical monitors properly..

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 18:29 UTC

My wish list for 2023 is that Dpreview hire pro’s for their monitor testing/monitor competence. It needs to be much closer to the camera depts’ skills.

My suggestion is to start by learning from the german test site prad.de

https://www.prad.de/test-kaufberatung/testberichte/test-monitore/

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 12:32 UTC as 19th comment | 4 replies
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PremiumBitter: I love seeing more competition in monitors in the resolution and color directions! Apple really needs competition in 5k and 6k. It seems like almost all the monitor action has been in the refresh rate wars up until now. Which, as a photographer and sometimes videographer...I don't really have much use for.

Now let's see 8k at 40 inches :)

Well, Apple has never been in the ”color directions”.

A monitor that cant be hardware calibrated and not beeing able to save own profiles, is actually infact more or less useless if the material should be used outside your own monitor.

It might be good at the time of purchase, but monitors detoriates over time.

Link | Posted on Jan 5, 2023 at 12:23 UTC
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