TonyNC: Haters here are missing the point. This isn't a camera for photographers. While this is a photographers site, there are hundreds of thousands of buyers who never come here and have zero interest clue what DPReview is. No joystick, tiny evf, lower Res lcd single card mean ZIP to a majority of buyers. Mom wants small, good and easy. That's it. She tells me that every day at the retail counter. This camera hits the mark. Serious photo dude wants something small and light but good IQ when traveling. The big bag, everything but the kitchen sink photographer is a dying breed. He'll buy this as a simple light travel camera. Pair this with a Tamron 28200 and a nice wide prime and my trip experience will be great and I'll have great images, too.
And let's not forget - every manufacturer leaves a little on the table so we'll get touch, higher MP, etc as the line matures. It's going to be a winner.
"Pair this with a Tamron 28200 and a nice wide prime and my trip experience will be great and I'll have great images, too."
Psst... don't mention that to 'Mom', you'll have her walking out the door in double quick time.
Kit lens looks rubbish, and small size advantage will disappear when using decent FF glass. Could end up being an expensive paperweight for clueless FF wannabees.
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Posted on Sep 16, 2020 at 11:20 UTC
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D200_4me: I tried to buy a mask on ebay after not finding anything on Amazon. An hour later, I noticed the status of the order showed the item was removed. I asked ebay about it and I got a reply back about sellers taking advantage of the situation so they stopped the sales of that item. The price was not unreasonable in my opinion so I don't know what happened (seller was based in China but claimed to have US stock from California). Anyway, I'm done with trying to get a mask. It will be over in the near future anyway and there's almost no infections here in my area, so I've had enough of this.
@Bolton: CV-19 gives diddly squat about 'social safety nets', what matters is ICU beds per 100,000, and Sweden is way down the rankings, even worse than the UK. The US actually ranks rather well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds
D200_4me: I tried to buy a mask on ebay after not finding anything on Amazon. An hour later, I noticed the status of the order showed the item was removed. I asked ebay about it and I got a reply back about sellers taking advantage of the situation so they stopped the sales of that item. The price was not unreasonable in my opinion so I don't know what happened (seller was based in China but claimed to have US stock from California). Anyway, I'm done with trying to get a mask. It will be over in the near future anyway and there's almost no infections here in my area, so I've had enough of this.
"Sweden's Relaxed Approach to the Coronavirus Could Already Be Backfiring" https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/
Irakly Shanidze: Basically, no matter how you call a subscription model, it is still the subscription model, "make no mistake about it" :D
Wikipedia: "The subscription business model is a business model in which a customer must pay a recurring price at regular intervals for access to a product."
By this definition, it's NOT a subscription model.
Photo_Genius: There are so many things wrong with this camera: - no stabilization - ridiculous 1400 usd price tag - lens is not internal focus and has noisy and slow af - not even that compact for a fixed lens system, Leica Q and Sony rx1r are almost the same size despite being full frame, Ricoh GR iii is much more compact - no four way dial
Fujifilm, just release the XT-4 with ibis already.
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- no DNG support - no Bayer sensor
GR is smaller, and is a better bet for raw capture (unless you have C1).
flektogon: Actually all of them are beautiful pictures. What is just not so O.K. (with the MFT cameras generally) is rather the size of their bodies. Definitely they are larger in respect to their sensor size, than any other (APS-C, FF) cameras.
Well at least the G95 is slightly smaller than G9 (which I own and like a lot). Body size aside, I really like the ergonomics of these cameras, and the lenses are relatively small and light.
Lol, hilarious :)) With all that fiddling with the app she almost lost the shot - should have left the camera behind and just used the phone. The ad shows perfectly - if unintentionally - why dSLR sales are rapidly going down the pan.
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Posted on Aug 22, 2019 at 09:15 UTC
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007peter: **** Request a Panasonic G9 or Olympus Eye AF **** test. Did you know that Olympus introduced Eye AF back in 2014 with Olympus EM1 II? Admittedly, it sucks, and I give Sony the credit or PERFECTING it. Today both Olympus and Panasonic has added Eye AF feature, but no one talks about it.
Eye AF is very usable on the G9. Crucially, if it can't find a face it fails gracefully into single point AF, so for many situations when shooting people, it's all you really need.
thorgal: I'm not a Nikon user, my digital camera doesn't even have an AF but - am i the only one here who thinks that eye-AF is the most over-hyped and drama making camera feature since the dawn of photography???
It's the kind of thing you never needed... until you have it.
Angrymagpie: A wonderful reminder of how good the MFT as a system is. People really shouldn't be put off by the smaller censor-size. In my opinion, MFT makes a lot more sense than FF or even APSC for most people.
Having made the jump myself (from Pentax APS-C to a Panasonic G9), I couldn't agree more.
Whitesands: cell phone pictures are fine for looking at them on a cell phone...On your computer screen or print they aren't even close to apsc image quality.
Hmm.... actually, my iPhone 8 pics look remarkably good on a 1680 x 1050 screen.
TonyNC: Haters here are missing the point. This isn't a camera for photographers. While this is a photographers site, there are hundreds of thousands of buyers who never come here and have zero interest clue what DPReview is.
No joystick, tiny evf, lower Res lcd single card mean ZIP to a majority of buyers. Mom wants small, good and easy. That's it. She tells me that every day at the retail counter. This camera hits the mark.
Serious photo dude wants something small and light but good IQ when traveling. The big bag, everything but the kitchen sink photographer is a dying breed. He'll buy this as a simple light travel camera.
Pair this with a Tamron 28200 and a nice wide prime and my trip experience will be great and I'll have great images, too.
And let's not forget - every manufacturer leaves a little on the table so we'll get touch, higher MP, etc as the line matures. It's going to be a winner.
"Pair this with a Tamron 28200 and a nice wide prime and my trip experience will be great and I'll have great images, too."
Psst... don't mention that to 'Mom', you'll have her walking out the door in double quick time.
Kit lens looks rubbish, and small size advantage will disappear when using decent FF glass. Could end up being an expensive paperweight for clueless FF wannabees.
D200_4me: I tried to buy a mask on ebay after not finding anything on Amazon. An hour later, I noticed the status of the order showed the item was removed. I asked ebay about it and I got a reply back about sellers taking advantage of the situation so they stopped the sales of that item. The price was not unreasonable in my opinion so I don't know what happened (seller was based in China but claimed to have US stock from California). Anyway, I'm done with trying to get a mask. It will be over in the near future anyway and there's almost no infections here in my area, so I've had enough of this.
@Bolton: CV-19 gives diddly squat about 'social safety nets', what matters is ICU beds per 100,000, and Sweden is way down the rankings, even worse than the UK. The US actually ranks rather well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds
D200_4me: I tried to buy a mask on ebay after not finding anything on Amazon. An hour later, I noticed the status of the order showed the item was removed. I asked ebay about it and I got a reply back about sellers taking advantage of the situation so they stopped the sales of that item. The price was not unreasonable in my opinion so I don't know what happened (seller was based in China but claimed to have US stock from California). Anyway, I'm done with trying to get a mask. It will be over in the near future anyway and there's almost no infections here in my area, so I've had enough of this.
"Sweden's Relaxed Approach to the Coronavirus Could Already Be Backfiring"
https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/
Forget the Fuji, what we need now is an 'empty street' cam.
This is what it looks like today on Google Maps http://bit.ly/YorkRd_W5
Irakly Shanidze: Basically, no matter how you call a subscription model, it is still the subscription model, "make no mistake about it" :D
Wikipedia: "The subscription business model is a business model in which a customer must pay a recurring price at regular intervals for access to a product."
By this definition, it's NOT a subscription model.
Photo_Genius: There are so many things wrong with this camera:
- no stabilization
- ridiculous 1400 usd price tag
- lens is not internal focus and has noisy and slow af
- not even that compact for a fixed lens system, Leica Q and Sony rx1r are almost the same size despite being full frame, Ricoh GR iii is much more compact
- no four way dial
Fujifilm, just release the XT-4 with ibis already.
add
- no DNG support
- no Bayer sensor
GR is smaller, and is a better bet for raw capture (unless you have C1).
Model Mike: No snapfocus, no show. GR is king!
Relax, it's only a camera.
No snapfocus, no show. GR is king!
Too big.
justmeMN: A Canon M200 with 22mm lens would be a vaguely similar alternative.
#73 in the GR clever tricks list: set the camera and shoot with a glass of your favourite tipple in the other hand. Can't do that with a phone.
chadley_chad: I’m fine with 28mm ... it’s just f2.8 on a fixed APSC ... for the high price that’s just not a good thing!
Not a problem - radical cropping is entirely possible thanks to its ridiculously sharp lens. At least that's my experience with the GR II.
Frighteningly impressive.
flektogon: Actually all of them are beautiful pictures. What is just not so O.K. (with the MFT cameras generally) is rather the size of their bodies. Definitely they are larger in respect to their sensor size, than any other (APS-C, FF) cameras.
Well at least the G95 is slightly smaller than G9 (which I own and like a lot). Body size aside, I really like the ergonomics of these cameras, and the lenses are relatively small and light.
Lol, hilarious :)) With all that fiddling with the app she almost lost the shot - should have left the camera behind and just used the phone. The ad shows perfectly - if unintentionally - why dSLR sales are rapidly going down the pan.
007peter: **** Request a Panasonic G9 or Olympus Eye AF **** test. Did you know that Olympus introduced Eye AF back in 2014 with Olympus EM1 II? Admittedly, it sucks, and I give Sony the credit or PERFECTING it. Today both Olympus and Panasonic has added Eye AF feature, but no one talks about it.
Eye AF is very usable on the G9. Crucially, if it can't find a face it fails gracefully into single point AF, so for many situations when shooting people, it's all you really need.
thorgal: I'm not a Nikon user, my digital camera doesn't even have an AF but - am i the only one here who thinks that eye-AF is the most over-hyped and drama making camera feature since the dawn of photography???
It's the kind of thing you never needed... until you have it.
Angrymagpie: A wonderful reminder of how good the MFT as a system is. People really shouldn't be put off by the smaller censor-size. In my opinion, MFT makes a lot more sense than FF or even APSC for most people.
Having made the jump myself (from Pentax APS-C to a Panasonic G9), I couldn't agree more.
Whitesands: cell phone pictures are fine for looking at them on a cell phone...On your computer screen or print they aren't even close to apsc image quality.
Hmm.... actually, my iPhone 8 pics look remarkably good on a 1680 x 1050 screen.