Photomonkey

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Beautiful IQ aided and abetted by the lighting.
I looked at samples from the Canon 5DS and could not see a decent comparison.
It would be nice to see a side by side with the Hasselblad.

Link | Posted on Jul 7, 2016 at 04:06 UTC as 45th comment | 1 reply
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KonstantinosK: Wow, amazing detail at 100%. AAAAGHR! NOSE HAIR!

If the subject been any of the regular readers of DPR we would have also noticed the ear hair. ;)

Link | Posted on Jul 7, 2016 at 03:56 UTC
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Leandros S: No wide open shots yet... move along...

Ming Thein has some WO samples and they are superb. Of course they are landscape shots and don't satisfy what I presume you are inquiring about.

Link | Posted on Jul 7, 2016 at 03:54 UTC
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capanikon: ... aaaaaand "full frame" just got it's ass handed to it. Permanently.

bob barber, 8x10 is for sissies. 11x14 is the lower end of manliness for format comparing. ;)

Link | Posted on Jul 7, 2016 at 03:52 UTC
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stevo23: I'm liking this story. If only it were less expensive. But then, it's hand made in Sweden.

Nikon D5 $6500, Canon 1DxmkII $6000.
Lenses for them 70-200 2.8 $2100 (Canon)
24-70 2.8 Canon $1900
Not as high certainly but close enough that many can easily come up with the extra money. The pros certainly will.

An analogy: When looking for film scanners for my pro lab back in late 90's many recommended Nikon Coolscan based on specs. It looked good. Bought one and found that it did not perform anywhere near the level it claimed. Images were full of artifacts and it was terrible at analyzing color negatives. Nothing that could be derived from the specs.
Returned it and bought a Scitex for 10x the price. The quality was night and day. Even though the res was not as high, the images were instantly, visibly superior to the Nikon and were even superior to Imacon's flex tight scanner.
In the same way, Hasselblad cameras and images justify their price to the pro.
If you don't need unassailable quality then the Nikon is excellent.

Link | Posted on Jun 28, 2016 at 00:21 UTC
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Indohydra: I still do not understand why someone would choose this camera over any number of high end mirrorless full frame cameras already on the market. (i.e. Sony A7Rll, Canon, Nikon FF) The 50 MP in itself no longer seems compelling. What am I missing here? This is not like moving to mid format on film. The advantages are not there. No one has suggested that these images are capable of greater detail or range or ISO. Is there something about the larger frame size alone that is of interest to anyone here? How or why would you use it?

Your question presumes that specs tell the story. They don't.

The history of Hasselblad is built on sales to professionals. Early on Hasselblad realized the virtues of a modular camera system with leaf shutter lenses of exceptional quality. They were, and are, the choice of professionals who value the consistent adherence to quality image making.
This camera is making many scratch their heads because it is the first camera that actually brings a modern Hasselblad into the realm of relative affordability to non-professionals.
The leaf shutter lens system is the core of the system. If you don't care for the benefits of the leaf shutter for your work then this camera is not for you.

Kind of like saying the Subaru WRX is fast like a Porsche. Yes but the experiences are totally different.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:52 UTC
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djanrd01: My question is who is the target audience for this camera and what real innovation have they done? It seems to me that they've developed a camera for deep pocketed enthusiasts who want to claim that they have a small mirrorless camera with the biggest sensor in the industry. They tried to sell rebranded Sony cameras with with the only innovation being a new body and their name for thousands of dollars above what the cameras originally cost and were rightly crucified in the market place.

The real game changer here is leaf shutter lenses. Digital MF with LS lenses was stuck at $25k and up. Pentax introduced the modestly priced 645D/z and while excellent hardly moved the needle in the pro world because of the lack of leaf shutter lenses.
Hasselblad gets it. Their customers get it. Photographers who understand flash get it. Now the price of admission to a pro camera with a feature unavailable to any Nikon or Canon has come down to a level that many people can now consider realistically.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:37 UTC
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CreeDo: Would be interested to see comparison shots of the same subjects with this vs. a 5DsR. It's gonna be less noisy and permit shallower dof in some cases... and I guess there's some intangibles about that nice sensor like color accuracy.

But are these things worth spending $5000 more, even for serious professionals? Especially since the AF isn't as good and the lens lineup will never be as robust. Even the weight savings doesn't sound like much of a selling point, it's a difference of like 15%.

Shallow DOF is used by commercial photographers (this camera's market) far less than portrait photographers and certainly less than hobbyists preoccupied by the schtick. Simply look at the ads you see in fashion magazines and you will see the truth of it.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:22 UTC
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stevo23: I'm liking this story. If only it were less expensive. But then, it's hand made in Sweden.

Others have noted that its price is not that much higher than the flagship models from Canon and Nikon.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:19 UTC
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Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul: Leaf shutter with large aperture lens is possible?

But you can use them with an adapter for even more bulk. ;)

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:16 UTC
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Thomas KP Lee: There are rumors that Fuji and Sony will also announce mirrorless mid format camera later on this years, whoever able to win in the market place is the one that are able to have the most adapters to use other / older mid format lenses, just like in the case of Sony E ( of FE) mount. Hasselblad even being the first one to come, but if the mount is limiting itself to the 43.8 x 32.9mm sensor, not for any larger sensor, while a lot of old mid format lenses can cover the full size 60 x 45mm for the future digital sensors. Perhaps Hasselblad wishes user to buy new lenses! While Fuji or Sony ( definitely will define their own mount!) if able to cover larger size sensor and able to have more third parties adapters to produce various adapters and with feature to help manual focus and/or auto focus, then Hasselblad will still lose in the battle!

The business model you are describing is one that assumes a lot of contributors to a niche that already has very few users. As such, there is scant incentive to enter a market that depends on others for you to sell just a few,very expensive items.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:13 UTC
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zakaria: I think the future is not clear for most photography companies. may be a new system that can accept all lenses from all brands will wine the battle!

While ML cameras are relatively easy to adapt lenses to (except this Hasselblad) this is not what makers want. They want people buying the lenses they make and not third party lenses.
The camera maker makes critical revenue from the sale of lenses. Losing that sales stream means less money for R&D.
To really make that model work, camera makers would have to adopt something like the m43 standards. Not much incentive for makers with extensive lines already existing.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:10 UTC
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Thomas KP Lee: The key feature of 1/2000 flash syn speed on the new XCD lenses is definitely a winner in action portrait application, but most other applications will not need such high speed syn, so only limited quantity of such new leaf shutter lenses will be bought, while a lot of users will try to use old and existing mid format lenses!

The flash sync is key for any photographer wanting to use flash outside. A leaf shutter frees the user from the tyranny of a limited shutter speed when using flash. This is what will make this successful with pros as opposed to the Pentax645z which, though good in many ways, fails in the critical application needed for many working pros.
Critics may ( and will) dispute this but working pros have had the choices of leaf shutters versus focal plane and leaf shutters get the nod because of the flexibility with flash.
In this new mirrorless application the lack of mirror slap and FP shutter shock will be most welcome.

Link | Posted on Jun 27, 2016 at 21:05 UTC

That image would have been missed today by the "photographer" Mulling which lens would give the best bokeh, what metering pattern to use, what ISO to use, what aperture to use, JPG or RAW? (I'm scared of RAW but I hear its good), What Art filter to use? should I Instagram it immediately? etc.
It used to be fun to look at the world instead of the menu.

Link | Posted on Jun 25, 2016 at 15:37 UTC as 49th comment | 3 replies
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ms18: Charge more pay the extra money to adobe so they will support your RAWs and we can use the camera properly

Sigma users represent too small a market for the effort Adobe would have to expend.

Link | Posted on Jun 24, 2016 at 15:58 UTC
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falconeyes: Nice body. But the MF problem of lack of fast or affordable lenses persists, i.e., this will remain a niche product although I applaud them to be first for a possible new trend.

2695$ for a 70mm/2.5 equivalent when a very good 85mm/1.8 equivalent (for full frame) is 500$? In theory, MF lenses (with the same equivalent properties) should be cheaper (they are easier to make) but so far, nobody delivers on this technical promise.

Sony had a smaller inventory of native FF lenses when the A7 came out. I notice they are still here. I also notice that their latest G-Master lenses are approaching Hasselblad lenses in pricing.

As for game changer, yes in MF no for hobbyists.

Link | Posted on Jun 24, 2016 at 06:06 UTC
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Photomonkey: I suppose the next thing is a Hasselblad forum here?

Haha.
Like the Pro Digital forum where three pros check in on the trolls twice a year?

Link | Posted on Jun 23, 2016 at 15:08 UTC
On article Hands-on with Hasselblad X1D (802 comments in total)
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falconeyes: Nice body. But the MF problem of lack of fast or affordable lenses persists, i.e., this will remain a niche product although I applaud them to be first for a possible new trend.

2695$ for a 70mm/2.5 equivalent when a very good 85mm/1.8 equivalent (for full frame) is 500$? In theory, MF lenses (with the same equivalent properties) should be cheaper (they are easier to make) but so far, nobody delivers on this technical promise.

The lenses use leaf shutters. Thus they are going to be constrained in absolute speed by that. It also makes the barrels a bit larger.
The leaf shutter is an enormously important feature for pros and those using flash.
HSS and Hypersync are weak workarounds by comparison.
As for the price, as noted above, economies of scale. That is why Pentax is charging $5k for its new 645 lenses.

These are bargains by comparison.

Link | Posted on Jun 23, 2016 at 14:26 UTC
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magoo_on_safari: The point of this camera is not for male tech heads at all. it is a 'firetruck you uncle bill' camera for professionals who prefer using light efficient cameras (like female wedding photographers). I think by your comments most of you are 'uncle bills' who have so much emotional energy invested in your equipment that i often wonder what happens to your photos. So as a pro photographer this camera is a godsend, it is a revolution, and i'm glad they charge to much for most uncle bills to buy!

Preach!

Link | Posted on Jun 23, 2016 at 14:22 UTC
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kadardr: 50 MP is no snapshot territory. You have to think several times. Production job. The alternatives for (or similars of) X1D are the RX1RII and the Sigma Quattro SD H. The former lacks interchangeability and have to be rigged up. The latter has a 1/180 flash syncro speed, so not for fancy flash work. But the price of X1D is really at the pro level, and these others are much cheaper. As for the X1D lenses the 24, 35 and 70mm equivalent (30, 45 and 90mm) set is good enough as a start. A 150mm tele and a 100 mm macro could be the next (may be final) step.

Taking snapshots with the Hasselblad will also be very easy. But at bottom it is a pro tool and the keys are sensor IQ and leaf shutter lenses.

The Canon 5DsR and the Nikon 810 are superb but are just evolutions of the 35mm SLR idiom. This is a new form for MF. Kinda like the Mamiya 6 with a digital sensor and the advances of 30 years.

Link | Posted on Jun 23, 2016 at 14:21 UTC
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