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@SS Sonderkommando :-)))

I never believed that iPhone is something good - cheaply made yet incredibly overpriced stuff all choniza origin to pleasure stupid herd. I program them, but never had one. And, BTW iPhones build in California and then assembled in China.

In short "Made in China" = "cr@p". It was like that, it is like that and it always be like that. Exception so rare that I do not like to waste my life in quest of searching for them. You, however, welcome to do anything with your life that makes you happy.

Very interesting. "Made in China" will never catch up, this is for sure.

Whole lomography concept for idiots who wish make someone rich - take ANY old camera from eBay for peanuts and you have perfectly fine lomography machine. Only insane idiots will pay $650 when genuine lens can be purchased for much much less. Whatever.

It is so close in price to X100 series that I fail to see what attract me in this camera with removing that marvelous viewfinder. 28mm lens. May be.

And curiosity still remains - why the heck you need most expensive DX DSLR when everything else is super-cheap? If it does not sounds to you as contradictory in definition then whole debate is useless. I am sh!tless bored by this conversation and out of this thread.

Lets say you convinced me - a cat is fine too. As least for you.

My opinion however remains the same - pop up flash utterly useless in DSLR for anything but commander mode and even then dedicated commander FAR FAR better and easier to use. Not only pop up flash does not do the job (just pretend doing it), but also it drains so valuable juice from battery. And interferes with VF - I am sure that in D700 VF is not 100% exactly because of flash. And frankly I value 100% VF zillion times more that those pesky useless blinker. External flash never need to be bulky or expensive. I never angry on anyone - I have my own opinion and they welcome to do whatever they want. Even prove that macro can be done with pinhole camera and a candle. I am OK to have fun with pinhole camera and a candle, but this is not because I do not have proper tools to play with, but just for sake of having fun.

Some of his spiders very nice, but:
1. He use reversed normal lens - we been used such setup for decades in lieu of macro lens
2. He continuously use EXTERNAL flash
3. I seen better executions, in fact far better.

My point in this thread if one happy to buy 2k one of the best in the range body, then it is ridiculous to bemoan about absent of flash - he could afford to buy one without problem. If one on budget, then get something else at the first place.
And what is your point? Just endless meaningless trolling?

"and no one can possibly shoot macros with a pop up flash and without tripod."
This is exactly correct - if you like to do something do it properly. Otherwise iPhone is fine. All macro work that I admire done with proper setup and proper lighting. People spend hours just to set it up. If you call "macro" that done on stretched hands with LV and internal flash then I call it rubbish. Though YMMV greatly.

Mate, I am not interested in those youtube rubbish. I know for sure that people who serious about macro (I am not) spending on lighting devices more then on bodies. Keep collecting your milk bottles.

So we discussing here pesky pop up flash in high end DX camera and you saying that you happy to have D500 without it. Then what we discussing? As to wildlife - the best photo done in expedition with tons of equipment when photographer stalking wildlife for weeks. There are very few and very rare trully amassing opportunistic photos of wildlife. And makro one definitely not there - to get proper macro one need strong (i.e. heavy) tripod nd proper light. Good luck to you with that pop up rubbish and milk bottle.

Fri13, YOU missed the point. People complain about flash absent on very expensive and quite heavy body. It is became plainly ridiculous - one can get 2k for pro-style body and cannot afford flash! BTW Nikon macro flash system is very small, so if you really after macro it would not hurt to carry one with you. Anf if you really after high core hiking, then D500 way too heavy anyway. Thake Fuji X100 instead.

"Some people just doesn't have enough imagination to see how to use the camera gear...."
Some people just doesn't have enough money to buy proper equipment after spending all their early income on unnecessarily high-end FX camera. And then they making up some funny excuses.

"But in this time, because removing the pop-up flash they made the viewfinder larger (1.0x, 0.75x in 35mm equal?) and cover 100%, I take that over any pop-up flash then."
This is it - I am happy to dispose pop up flash for even slightly better viewfinder. Biggest problem that I have with D700 is not 100% VF and I firmly believe that this is because of that pesky pop-up flash. Even if you find use of pop up flash once in blue moon, you use VF EACH AND EVERY SHOT.

"You do get slightly better results with a dedicated flash"
Utter rubbish - results with dedicated flash will be streets ahead.

It is really nice to have pop up flash as a commander. But frankly absent of one is nowhere deal-breaker for me.

"It is great for macro"
Utter rubbish - it way too weak and offset from center way too much to extend that object will be partially blocked by lens. Not saying that it produce 90% energy directly forward, so basically nothing left for object.

SU800

Who really use those pesky microflashes that do more damage to image then good? The ONLY proper use for it is flash commander, but since Nikon moving to RF flashes it became unnecessary either. I do not miss flash on Df at all and since getting external flash commander do not use it on D700 either. IMHO right move. They should mot include stupid folding screen instead, this is for sure.

Agree. So far i really like what Nikon did. And to make it perfect I would remove disgusting tilt screen (how one suppose to use touch feature when it fully bend upward???) and replace SD with second SQD. I been telling for ages that CF is doomed, so now it available only in D5 as an option and you see D6 will miss it altogether. I personally do not care about BT and WiFi, but some may found use for it. Excellent features are AF self calibration and RF flash. Bravo, Nikon!

Would be nice to see head to head comparison with Sigma...