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sh00t3r

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IG should've made this possible themselves. Plus, they are owned by Facebook, which is just plain evil, so I refuse to use their service.

Link | Posted on Oct 12, 2017 at 18:37 UTC as 13th comment | 1 reply
On article Nikon's official D850 lens recommendation list (308 comments in total)
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steelhead3: I am surprised that the 80/400 made the list.

Me, too. Isn't the 200-500 supposed to be better than the 80-400?

Link | Posted on Oct 11, 2017 at 20:01 UTC
On article Nikon's official D850 lens recommendation list (308 comments in total)

So basically, plan on spending an S-load of money on lenses if you don't already own these.

Link | Posted on Oct 11, 2017 at 20:00 UTC as 137th comment
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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ojos azules: Boy this camera must be a slow seller, considering how much nikon keep knocking the DP door to push it.

@Brandless1
I was planning on buying this, but decided against it for several reasons. And yes, one of them was that I don't find the IQ all that impressive compared to cameras that are already available.

Link | Posted on Oct 11, 2017 at 18:00 UTC
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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ojos azules: Boy this camera must be a slow seller, considering how much nikon keep knocking the DP door to push it.

No one seems to know because Nikon can't seem to produce any. Most people who preordered are still waiting.

Link | Posted on Oct 11, 2017 at 15:33 UTC
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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steelhead3: Put on that $1000 dollar add on (grip) and see if it can get focus on any point other than center or even with center. Instead of using auto AF adjust, try manually adjusting. I am sure that focusing will be much harder with wide open lenses compared to the low resolution D5 and this should come as no surprise to you folks.

Actually just read about the "real" price of the battery grip today. That's crazy! Sure, it's $400 to start, but then you need different batteries, charger, etc. An extra grand for 2 fps is nuts.

Link | Posted on Oct 11, 2017 at 15:32 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: tbcass:

the D850 is a stronger higher ISO body than the A7RII, that's by 2 stops.

I know this because I have a couple of hundred of my own raws shot with 2 bodies.

DXO sensor scores are basically useless.

@HowaboutRAW

If the 850 were 2 stops better than the 810, that means you could shoot the 850 at ISO 25600 and get the same quality as the 810 as ISO 6400. No way is this correct. In reality, the 850 is only a slight improvement over the 810.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=nikon_d850&attr13_1=nikon_d810&attr13_2=canon_eos5d&attr13_3=canon_eos5d&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=6400&attr16_2=3200&attr16_3=3200&normalization=full&widget=1&x=-0.025804300716786133&y=0.05121270392655543

Link | Posted on Oct 9, 2017 at 13:34 UTC
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HowaboutRAW: tbcass:

the D850 is a stronger higher ISO body than the A7RII, that's by 2 stops.

I know this because I have a couple of hundred of my own raws shot with 2 bodies.

DXO sensor scores are basically useless.

Sounds like someone doesn't know what a stop is. A two-stop improvement would be monumental. The reality is, the 850 is slightly better than the 810 regarding noise, and by slightly, I mean like 1/3 stop or so.

Link | Posted on Oct 9, 2017 at 02:14 UTC
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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sh00t3r: Comparing the D850 to the D810 using the tool above, I don't see much difference in noise. In fact, in some parts of the scene, the D850 actually looks worse (noisier). Maybe that's due to the higher MP, so the noise looks more defined, along with everything else. The big difference I see is the magenta tint when pushing exposure. The 810 has it, while the 850 doesn't.

Yeah, for the small difference in price, I really can't see buying a D810 at this point. I do have an 850 on order, but who knows when it'll actually ship.

Link | Posted on Sep 13, 2017 at 02:19 UTC
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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sh00t3r: Comparing the D850 to the D810 using the tool above, I don't see much difference in noise. In fact, in some parts of the scene, the D850 actually looks worse (noisier). Maybe that's due to the higher MP, so the noise looks more defined, along with everything else. The big difference I see is the magenta tint when pushing exposure. The 810 has it, while the 850 doesn't.

I want to use this thing for wildlife, so the higher MP will be better for cropping, and like photomedium said, the AF will be great, too. IQ wise, I'm not seeing much of a reason to choose the 850 over the 810, but since I don't own either, it makes sense to just spend an extra $500 for the 850.

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2017 at 12:51 UTC
On article Nikon D850 sample gallery (182 comments in total)

For those who have a means to play with the RAW files (use DNG converter or something to go from nef to dng), I'd be interested in how you think they look compared to the posted jpegs. There's quite a difference, IMO.

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2017 at 11:46 UTC as 15th comment | 1 reply
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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MikeRan: This camera looks great. However these are all relatively incremental improvements on exsting technologies. Really there is nothing radically new here. Slight improvement in DR. Slight improvement in low noise. Slight improvement in stated resolution. Substantially improved but preexisting AF technology. Some nice new "incremental" feature updates. A fair price. And lots of good marketing. (I can't believe how many people were talking about the 8k time lapse videos.... Great marketing... It's basically decades old intervalometer technology... Come one!)

Anyway, a great camera. No doubt. Lots of good features at a good price. Lots of people will buy it. And it is worthy of that. But this is no earth-shattering camera that is changing the paragidm of photography.

All the hype over it is frankly overblown by marketing, and possibly "advertising". (Do review websites get kickbacks for "product placement" from manufacturers like TV shows do? - CSI comes to mind...)

Amen!

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2017 at 11:38 UTC
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)
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shooter45: A bit better than the D810 and I do not really care about video at all ... if I want to video, I will buy a dedicated video device. Let's wait for real world pictures to determine how good it is and 2 years or more from today, the D900 will come out and again, it will be advertised as "the best camera ever made" .... pure propaganda.

As far as IQ goes, I pretty much agree. In the world of DX, the D500 is only a little better in IQ compared to the D500. The D850 seems to be only a little better than the D810 in that regard. There are lots of reasons to get one, but for pure IQ, not really? It's on par with other FX cameras, just more MP.

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2017 at 11:36 UTC
On article Nikon D850 Review (2102 comments in total)

Comparing the D850 to the D810 using the tool above, I don't see much difference in noise. In fact, in some parts of the scene, the D850 actually looks worse (noisier). Maybe that's due to the higher MP, so the noise looks more defined, along with everything else. The big difference I see is the magenta tint when pushing exposure. The 810 has it, while the 850 doesn't.

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2017 at 04:59 UTC as 308th comment | 5 replies
On article Nikon D850 sample gallery (182 comments in total)
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sh00t3r: I'm going to look at the RAW files now, but the jpegs don't look very good at all when viewed at 100%. Where's the sharpness and detail? Hopefully, it is just the NR that's doing it, but these look very smeared.

Just played around with the RAW, and my conclusion is, the jpegs suck. NR is too aggressive and is killing detail. Did Nikon do this to make it "look" like the D850 really has that 1-stop advantage over the D810?

Link | Posted on Sep 12, 2017 at 00:56 UTC
On article Nikon D850 sample gallery (182 comments in total)
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left eye: Reminds me of when I first saw samples from the A7RII, with it's BSI, slightly soggy contrast esp in shadows and less than biting detail (in comparison to the A7R & D810).

I know this was put down to the extended DR of BSI, delivering less contrast, but the extra stop advantage in noise seems to also provided more crosstalk between the photo-sites (which are closer to the chip surface) and so less detail and micro-contrast, but the same token less moire.

The flip side of this is the Fuji GFX, which has gone all out to minimise light cross-talk between photo-sites, it's the most bitingly sharp camera out there but also is very susceptible to moire.

Also BTW, in these D850 samples there's a lot of red hot pixels in the lifted shadows!

For sure. The lack of detail is very disappointing.

Link | Posted on Sep 11, 2017 at 23:47 UTC
On article Nikon D850 sample gallery (182 comments in total)

I'm going to look at the RAW files now, but the jpegs don't look very good at all when viewed at 100%. Where's the sharpness and detail? Hopefully, it is just the NR that's doing it, but these look very smeared.

Link | Posted on Sep 11, 2017 at 23:45 UTC as 27th comment | 1 reply
On article Nikon D850: First full-res sample images (345 comments in total)
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blink667: It's got some very beautiful film like noise at ISO 100. Nikon just set the new standard for photo IQ.

Noise at 100 ISO? Unacceptable, if you ask me.

Link | Posted on Sep 7, 2017 at 04:03 UTC
On article Should you upgrade to a Nikon D850? (646 comments in total)
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James Bligh: 1/3) Read this. 24MP seems to be sweet spot for FF sensor.

https://visualsciencelab.blogspot.kr/2017/08/i-read-with-great-interest-12th-thought.html

(Quote)
Up until we hit 16 megapixels there were always some (few) situations for advertising photographers where more sheer resolution was needed. Once we hit the 24 megapixel mark we could have stopped cold and only 1% of the jobs we handled would have been perceptively impacted. Not made un-doable; just somewhat impacted. When we exceeded that threshold we came face-to-face with mostly diminishing returns. Yes, the BSI sensor in the A7Rii has great image quality but what if Sony had concentrated on bigger but fewer photo sites? Would the files have been even better?
(Unquote)

I tried a D500 in the past, but aside from the higher framerate, I didn't think it was much better IQ-wise than the D7200, so I got that instead. Cropping down, especially at higher ISO, just wasn't impressive. Not for a camera that cost more than the D750.

Link | Posted on Aug 28, 2017 at 19:56 UTC

I just looked at the photos at full size, and I gotta agree with the rest of you. The IQ is pretty bad, and they don't look very sharp. These almost look like P&S quality to me. I'm hoping it was just the processing, or maybe something to do with this website, but this IQ is not very good.

Link | Posted on Aug 28, 2017 at 19:14 UTC as 11th comment
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