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On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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melgross: I haven't looked at the rest of the pictures, because that first one shows some really bad flare. That lost my interest right away. If an 5.6 lens of this sort has that much flare, there's nothing else that it may do well that I'd ever care about.

Chris59,

It has little flare. You're not the first to complain about "flare", I'm more than beginning to think the term isn't understood. Two of 58 samples have flare.

Many lenses are soft in the corners--this lens is not especially so.

It has good contrast, download the DNGs.

Link | Posted on Mar 26, 2017 at 00:07 UTC
On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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Ernest M Aquilio: Lovely little lens, perhaps in a few years on the used market I'll pick one up. The images are rendered very honestly, would be good for documentary or environmental portrait work. In my opinion its also quite charming looking.

Thanks for the samples Barney.

Warning, in case you don't know, Leica lenses don't go down in price a lot on the used market.

Used prices have gone up, just by way of example my year 2002 purchased f/1.0 Noctilux (obviously a famous lens) cost say $2200. It now sells for $5700.

I realize that a good used f/1.0 Noctilux is a bit of a special case, but the idea that you'll pick a used one of these up in say 4 years $1200 is unlikely.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 23:51 UTC
On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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GabrielZ: This lens seems very prone to flare...a lack of multi-coating on the lens elements maybe?

Um, there's flare in what 2 of 58 images?

You're talking about something else.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 12:43 UTC
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photofan1986: I had an LX5, good camera but I hated the colours. Sold it quickly.

photofan1986,

Okay, then you are limited to shooting with a Fuji, or perhaps certain Olympus cameras--though Olympus hasn't produced a new highend compact in a while.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 12:11 UTC
On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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elee1967: Seems everyone misses the whole point of this thing. It's a collector's item, for collection. Though, incidentally, it is also a lens.

If you say so.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 02:33 UTC
On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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Karroly: Is "expensive bad lens" a new Leica's marketing concept ?

Karroly,

Okay, I think you actually need to look at the files; the corner softness isn't a serious problem. There is vignetting, but that's not the same thing. (I guess in the extreme corners you can see bit of blurring, but that's pretty normal for all but say a Zeiss Otus 55, or that Leica SL 50mm--okay and yes the SigmaArt 50mm.)

Now also don't confuse out of focus corners with soft corners, the former can easily come from focusing on some distant center object and opening the lens up, then corners covering the near ground won't be in focus.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 02:22 UTC
On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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Karroly: Is "expensive bad lens" a new Leica's marketing concept ?

It's stretch to call this bad--download the DNGs and see for yourself.

Nor is it expensive in Leica terms, it's certainly not cheap. Just this week I retried the 90mm f/2.0, on an M10, it's not as good as Leica pretends and that's twice the price of this lens.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 00:06 UTC
On article Re-make/Re-model: Leica Summaron 28mm F5.6 Samples (171 comments in total)
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melgross: I haven't looked at the rest of the pictures, because that first one shows some really bad flare. That lost my interest right away. If an 5.6 lens of this sort has that much flare, there's nothing else that it may do well that I'd ever care about.

Um, actually there is little flare in the first sample--basically no flare. There's some reflection from the bronze of the "torus".

I suggest you download the DNG and process it.

You're seeing not great extraction artifacts. One can avoid them, mostly, by using curves in place of the Highlights and Shadows sliders. (Curves are not easy to use the first 20 times you try, just a warning if you're not familiar with them.)

So no, flare isn't really an issue with this lens going by these samples. Now, I'm sure you can find a way to induce flare problems with this lens if you try.

Link | Posted on Mar 25, 2017 at 00:04 UTC
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EssexAsh: It's a good thing the sensor is so small. If it was proper MF then no chance

EssexAsh:

And how many medium format sensors cover "real" medium format dimensions?

And how much do those cameras cost?

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 21:48 UTC
On article Atomos introduces Ninja Inferno off-camera recorder (43 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: But I thought one of the big reasons for external video recorders was to allow raw video--or something very close.

Ebrahim:

You didn't answer the question "why", which wasn't exactly my question, you answered the question of "how". There's a significant difference.

I didn't ask which connector type's omission limits this model to non-raw recording.

It's real simple why I'm irked, you made up something that I didn't ask. And now you've pretended that something sort of close to what I asked included your point.

Again read my comment, and note how I included the possibility of something close to raw (ProRes say) also being omitted.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 21:43 UTC
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Astrotripper: Had LX-5, great little camera. I used this threaded lens barrel thingy to mount "macro conversion lenses" on it. That was my introduction to macro photography. Well, technically it was not real macro, but a combination of very small camera and very close focusing capability allowed for some interesting shots.

And as an ex-user of LX-5, I was immensely disappointed with Panasonic throwing away the LX legacy with LX-10.

It's sad, seeing a leader becoming another "me too" follower :-(

Astrotripper:

The fast lens on the LX10, or the LX3, is a very big deal for keeping the ISO down.

So that leaves a filter mounting system missing--and I guess an external EVF option.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 21:36 UTC
On article Atomos introduces Ninja Inferno off-camera recorder (43 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: But I thought one of the big reasons for external video recorders was to allow raw video--or something very close.

Entrop512:

Reread my original comment, and then my response to Ebrahim, I didn't ask for the technical limit that precludes raw recording on this specific Atomos model, I'm sure I could have easily enough looked that up.

Also I didn't say "why no raw"; I said I thought the point of external data recorders was to allow raw. And Dale B pointed out the in between option--an option I'd hinted at already with "or something very close".

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 15:12 UTC
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piratejabez: Wanted the LX3, but waited for LX5, then followed up with LX7 and LX100. Now I'm anxiously awaiting the LX100 successor... what a great product line!

SD:

Doesn't work like that and you know that.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 12:59 UTC
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Astrotripper: Had LX-5, great little camera. I used this threaded lens barrel thingy to mount "macro conversion lenses" on it. That was my introduction to macro photography. Well, technically it was not real macro, but a combination of very small camera and very close focusing capability allowed for some interesting shots.

And as an ex-user of LX-5, I was immensely disappointed with Panasonic throwing away the LX legacy with LX-10.

It's sad, seeing a leader becoming another "me too" follower :-(

Astroripper:

Not seeing, it, especially since you see the LX100 as keeping the LX3/5/7 line spirit alive.

Technically the LX10 would be similar to later RX100s. Remember Sony insisted on a long zoom for the first too versions of the RX100. So it is Sony that is copying the LX series (and an Olympus) with the later RX100 models.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 12:33 UTC
On article Atomos introduces Ninja Inferno off-camera recorder (43 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: But I thought one of the big reasons for external video recorders was to allow raw video--or something very close.

Ebrahim:

Then why do other Atomos external recorders, amongst others, allow the recording of raw video?

Also I never said anything about the connectors.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 12:14 UTC
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Astrotripper: Had LX-5, great little camera. I used this threaded lens barrel thingy to mount "macro conversion lenses" on it. That was my introduction to macro photography. Well, technically it was not real macro, but a combination of very small camera and very close focusing capability allowed for some interesting shots.

And as an ex-user of LX-5, I was immensely disappointed with Panasonic throwing away the LX legacy with LX-10.

It's sad, seeing a leader becoming another "me too" follower :-(

But the LX10 is a much better at higher ISOs than the LX5 (I owned an LX5), and like nearly every camera maker that's not Sony, Panasonic gets more out of the Sony sensor in the LX10 than Sony.

And the physically bigger sensor allows for more pixels of course without adding heat/noise.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 01:54 UTC
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photofan1986: I had an LX5, good camera but I hated the colours. Sold it quickly.

photofan1986:

That's how you get better colour, even from cameras with much better jpeg engines than that in the LX5.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 01:50 UTC
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piratejabez: Wanted the LX3, but waited for LX5, then followed up with LX7 and LX100. Now I'm anxiously awaiting the LX100 successor... what a great product line!

jefftan:

If the LX100 isn't selling well, why has it barely dropped in price since it was introduced?

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 01:48 UTC
On article Atomos introduces Ninja Inferno off-camera recorder (43 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: But I thought one of the big reasons for external video recorders was to allow raw video--or something very close.

Dale B:

Okay, that makes more sense.

Link | Posted on Mar 24, 2017 at 00:52 UTC
On article Atomos introduces Ninja Inferno off-camera recorder (43 comments in total)

But I thought one of the big reasons for external video recorders was to allow raw video--or something very close.

Link | Posted on Mar 23, 2017 at 23:53 UTC as 12th comment | 9 replies
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