X2D is real??

[areallygrumpyoldsod]

So where does that leave a putative X2D? I have to think it would be based on either the existing Sony 44x33mm 102 MP CMOS sensor (which, more than three years after the GFX 100 was announced with it, IMOPO seems somewhat less likely) or a rumored new Sony 44x33mm CMOS sensor of around 150 MP (IMOPO seems somewhat more likely).

Thanks --this just makes it more and more likely that, since I am shooting more work needing far better AF, I will sell of my X1DII while it still has value and some of the weaker XCD lenses in my collection - but keep the best XCD lenses for a while longer.

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

So let us say that an X2D is in development -- what is the possibility that the X1D would have: ... IBIS ....

Hasselblad seems to have very modest resources, and it seems somewhat unlikely to be able to buy or license 'off the shelf' appropriate IBIS or eye-tracking AF technology, although the latter seems more plausible than the former.... And really, IMO anything that would substantially increase the body size seems somewhat unlikely.

Considering the stabilisation tech DJI we’re showing off in their product launch yesterday, it’s not hard to imagine some of that know how finding its way to Hasselblad. Does the Magic 8 Ball have a view?

I can "imagine" a lot of things that nevertheless seem rather unlikely. As long as we understand that this is just my personal opinion as slightly informed by my Magic 8 Ball, I have my doubts whether a putative X2D will get any sort of IBIS / questions about how that might work:

(1) to what extent / how effectively / how quickly do Hasselblad and the Dji quadcopter camera unit share this sort of technology?

(2) To what extent does the technology to stabilize a small sensor in a quadcopter apply to stabilizing a much larger and heavier sensor in a medium format camera?

(3) To what extent can whatever stabilization technology is available work on a 44x33mm sensor without substantially increasing the camera size and/or changing the camera form-factor, relative to the X1D?

 

[Erik Kaffehr]

Hi,

IBIS on a physically tiny sensor is quite different than on a physically large one. So, no, I don't think there will be any part of a drone IBIS useful in an X2D with the Sony 100 MP 44x33mm sensor.

So, my M8B says: Don't Count On It

Stan

If IBIS is a no-go, the 150MP seems less likely.

Maintaining the sleek form factor of the current model will be a challenge with IBIS and the additional measures required to handle the heat generated by a 150 MP camera.
Outlook not so good.

I don't know...

I think 150 MP is a bit beyond the horizon. Probably there, but we won't see for a year and implementation may be another year.

With IBIS, I don't know. IMHO, medium format makes most sense with careful work, using a tripod. I don't see need of IBIS for that.

If IBIS is needed, Fujifilm has it on three models.

I would think that there is very little reason not to buy Fujifilm, if we look for MFD image quality.

• They have great lenses, it seems.
• They also have the best sensor, except perhaps the 54x41 mm version that only Phase One offers, with a premium price.

Hasselblad has the advantage of a leaf shutter, if you need it. It has also been to the moon, which Fujifilm has not. That may matter for some buyers, but not this one.

Obviously, Hasselblad is 'Hand Made in Sweden' while Fujifilm may be 'Well Made somewhere else'. For me, 'well made' beats 'hand made'.

In any case, the sensors are made by Sony with the CFA coming from Fujifilm.

The Hasselblad lenses are designed Hasselblad and made by Nittoh Kogaku, I would recall.

The simple fact is, right know, that Fujifilm uses the present day 102 MP backside illuminated sensor from Sony. Hasselblad uses an older 50 MP frontside illuminated design, that is like 8 years old.

Now, old sensors are perfectly capable of delivering great images.

• But, if IQ matters, it makes sense to make use of recent developments.
• If IQ doesn't matter, while invest in MFD?

Just to say, I have been shooting a Phase One P45+ back since 2013, and it can deliver great images, nothing wrong with medium format digital.

Well, except that lack of proper OLP filter. Quite a few of my few images have heavy color aliasing.

OLP less sensors are just an example of bad engineering.

Best regards

Erik

 

[JimKasson]

OLP less sensors are just an example of bad engineering.

And good marketing.

 

[surelythisnameisfree]

Well I too can confirm that an X2D is imminent for the simple reason that I have just bought an X1Dii

 

[SrMi]

Well I too can confirm that an X2D is imminent for the simple reason that I have just bought an X1Dii

Congratulations and thank you for your effort .

As many X1D and GFX50 owners will attest, the 50MP sensor is still excellent.

 

[etto72]

I have learn that according to someone familiar with Hasselblad, those images are real.

He said that the X2D is ready to go, it’s the 100mp Sony sensor, Top LCD , CFast + SD
no words about tilting screen or image stabilizer.

Apparently it will shoot 4K Raw just like the H6D which I personally find strange since I have been told that the footage that camera produces is rather poor.

Best to all,

ettore

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

I have learn that according to someone familiar with Hasselblad, those images are real.

He said that the X2D is ready to go, it’s the 100mp Sony sensor, Top LCD , CFast + SD
no words about tilting screen or image stabilizer.

Hasselblad announced the original X1D on June 22, 2016, and the X1D II on June 19, 2019, so if the pattern holds--every three years on the Wednesday of the third full week of June--then next Wednesday, June 22, 2022, would be the date to announced an X2D.

Yes, I realize things don't always work like that. But if, say, August 1, 2022 comes without an announcement, then any who have claimed to know that an X2D is coming imminently ought to admit they were incorrect.

And yet, I hope they're correct. Good luck, Hasselblad, please impress your prospective customers.

 

[etto72]

Link

That could be exciting!!!

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[maxnardi]

X2d may be announced next month.. shipped on September or before Xmas in any case.

would have IBIS maybe not eye tracking from the start (but implemented with few update).

I suppose af would be in the same ballpark as Fuji.

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

X2d may be announced next month.. shipped on September or before Xmas in any case.

would have IBIS ....

Will an effective IBIS unit fit inside that body? From what I can see in those photos, the body does not look much bigger than the X1D body. Great for Hasselblad if they can make it work, but I remain skeptical.
The original X1D promised what I think of as a 'digital Mamiya M7'. I want to see Hasselblad make that work.

 

[maxnardi]

From what I can guess it would be something like 5-6mm thicker

 

[SrMi]

Hasselblad Digital Forum has a post that quotes a Hasselblad employee (in sales, named in that post) leaking the following information:

- 100MP

- "Orientable" screen with better LV

- Photos on the web are correct

- IBIS and AF-improvement likely (?)

- Yes to the 38mm lens (one of three lenses to be launched with X2D)

- Release is imminent

- Hasselblad and C1 are in contact to add support for Hasselblad cameras.

 

[Scottelly]

Hello everyone,

Hope you are well.

Hasselblad X2D photo got leaked, so this could be real. I wonder what other improvement they have other than the top LCD. Also I hope Pentax would come up with a 100MP mirrorless model

Yeah, a new Pentax with the same 100 MP sensor we see in the Fuji cameras would be pretty awesome, especially if Pentax introduces it with two or three new, mirrorless lenses and an adapter to use their other auto-focus medium format lenses on the new camera. What would be even cooler would be if they did that AND they would make an adapter to use their most recent full-frame 35mm lenses on the new medium format mirrorless camera, and the camera would automatically recognize the lens, and use the largest area possible in the proportion you choose (i.e. square format, 4:5, 3:4, 2:3, 9:16, 9:21, etc.).

Source: https://photorumors.com/2022/03/01/first-leaked-picture-of-the-new-hasselblad-x2d-camera/

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[The Light Stalker]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/HasselbladX1D/permalink/2557400147724519/?fs=e&s=cl

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[maxnardi]

As a 907x owner I can only confirm that 50mp is absolutely good for 99,9% of works.

the fields of improvement for H are AF speed and maybe IBIS, the rest is already more than good enough for any pro use.

 

[Erik Kaffehr]

As a 907x owner I can only confirm that 50mp is absolutely good for 99,9% of works.

the fields of improvement for H are AF speed and maybe IBIS, the rest is already more than good enough for any pro use.

Hi,

The main reason for having 102 MP is not the need of resolution, but proper handling of the image projected by the lens.

To that comes that the new sensor is a much improved design, over the old one. Some key technologies:

Backside Illumination:

• Makes better use of sensor surface by moving the wiring behind the photo sensitive layer.
• Reduces pixel level vignetting.
• Reduces optical cross talk.

Dual gain architecture:

Improves DR at medium ISOs and higher, by reducing readout noise.

Gapless microlenses:

• Reduces aliasing
• Improves quantum efficiency

In this comparison all the images are scaled to around 45 MP. Which camera deliver the cleanest image?

Also, the 102 MP sensor supports phase detection AF, allowing for more efficient focusing and faster readout times.

Personally, the reduced aliasing stands out for me. Obviously, many users will seldom observe it.

Personally, as a bystander, I would consider the 102 MP sensor to be a natural upgrade to the first generation of the 33x44 mm CMOS sensor.

Best regards

Erik

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[SrMi]

As a 907x owner I can only confirm that 50mp is absolutely good for 99,9% of works.

the fields of improvement for H are AF speed and maybe IBIS, the rest is already more than good enough for any pro use.

Hi,

The main reason for having 102 MP is not the need of resolution, but proper handling of the image projected by the lens.

To that comes that the new sensor is a much improved design, over the old one. Some key technologies:

Backside Illumination:

• Makes better use of sensor surface by moving the wiring behind the photo sensitive layer.
• Reduces pixel level vignetting.
• Reduces optical cross talk.

Dual gain architecture:

Improves DR at medium ISOs and higher, by reducing readout noise.

Gapless microlenses:

• Reduces aliasing
• Improves quantum efficiency

In this comparison all the images are scaled to around 45 MP. Which camera deliver the cleanest image?

Also, the 102 MP sensor supports phase detection AF, allowing for more efficient focusing and faster readout times.

Why would OSPDAF allow faster readout times? AFAIK, OSPDAF is optional and not an integrated part of a sensor technology. I believe that Phase One uses the “same” sensor and M11 likely as well. Neither has OSPDAF.

Personally, the reduced aliasing stands out for me. Obviously, many users will seldom observe it.

Personally, as a bystander, I would consider the 102 MP sensor to be a natural upgrade to the first generation of the 33x44 mm CMOS sensor.
Best regards

Erik

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[JimKasson]

As a 907x owner I can only confirm that 50mp is absolutely good for 99,9% of works.

the fields of improvement for H are AF speed and maybe IBIS, the rest is already more than good enough for any pro use.

Hi,

The main reason for having 102 MP is not the need of resolution, but proper handling of the image projected by the lens.

To that comes that the new sensor is a much improved design, over the old one. Some key technologies:

Backside Illumination:

• Makes better use of sensor surface by moving the wiring behind the photo sensitive layer.
• Reduces pixel level vignetting.
• Reduces optical cross talk.

Dual gain architecture:

Improves DR at medium ISOs and higher, by reducing readout noise.

Gapless microlenses:

• Reduces aliasing
• Improves quantum efficiency

In this comparison all the images are scaled to around 45 MP. Which camera deliver the cleanest image?

Also, the 102 MP sensor supports phase detection AF, allowing for more efficient focusing and faster readout times.

Why would OSPDAF allow faster readout times?

I think maybe Erik meant "requiring" not "allowing".

AFAIK, OSPDAF is optional and not an integrated part of a sensor technology.

It affects the toppings, but also the silicon must support the OSPDAF system requirements.

I believe that Phase One uses the “same” sensor and M11 likely as well. Neither has OSPDAF.

See the distinction between requiring and allowing.

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[SrMi]

As a 907x owner I can only confirm that 50mp is absolutely good for 99,9% of works.

the fields of improvement for H are AF speed and maybe IBIS, the rest is already more than good enough for any pro use.

Hi,

The main reason for having 102 MP is not the need of resolution, but proper handling of the image projected by the lens.

To that comes that the new sensor is a much improved design, over the old one. Some key technologies:

Backside Illumination:

• Makes better use of sensor surface by moving the wiring behind the photo sensitive layer.
• Reduces pixel level vignetting.
• Reduces optical cross talk.

Dual gain architecture:

Improves DR at medium ISOs and higher, by reducing readout noise.

Gapless microlenses:

• Reduces aliasing
• Improves quantum efficiency

In this comparison all the images are scaled to around 45 MP. Which camera deliver the cleanest image?

Also, the 102 MP sensor supports phase detection AF, allowing for more efficient focusing and faster readout times.

Why would OSPDAF allow faster readout times?

I think maybe Erik meant "requiring" not "allowing".

AFAIK, OSPDAF is optional and not an integrated part of a sensor technology.

It affects the toppings, but also the silicon must support the OSPDAF system requirements.

I believe that Phase One uses the “same” sensor and M11 likely as well. Neither has OSPDAF.

See the distinction between requiring and allowing.

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Yes, that makes sense. Erik also likely meant that apart from OSPDAF support, the new sensor also allows faster readout times.