Will You Get Sigma's 20 MP/layer Full-Frame Camera?

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Sigma will surely call it a 60 MP camera, which will make it the "highest resolution" camera Sigma has ever made. It will surely capture more "information" than any previous Sigma camera . . . but it will not produce files with greater resolution than the SD Quattro H. It will match all the other Quattros though, and most likely it will offer some improvement over those, with regard to noise, color, etc. I'm wondering how many SD Quattro, SD1 Merrill, and pre-Merrill camera owners (and possibly even SD Quattro H owners) plan to get the new full-frame camera, now that it's been announced it will have a pre-Merrill style sensor design. I don't plan to buy it, because I already have a camera that produces photos that have at least 25% more pixels (the SD Quattro H), but I think if I had an SD Quattro then maybe I would seriously consider it, though I suspect the new full-frame camera will be a pretty expensive camera.

What say you? (and why?)
 
I rarely use the SDQ I own now and certainly will not buy a full frame version.
 
I like and use both, SD1M and SDQ for different purposes.

More interessting are the lenses in the future. My guess is that for instance the

F1.4/16mm at a 4.3um APS-C Quattro and

F1.4/24mm at a 6.5um FF Merrill

deliver similar LP/PH performance. The decision is easy; getting the smaller package for the same job.

If the next Sigma's are

1. 6.5um FF 20MP/60MS Merrill

2. 4.3um APS-C 20MP/30MS Quattro

3. 4.3um FF 40MP/60MS Quattro

I will get the 2. and if matched lenses (slow F2.0 primes) appear the 3.
 
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Yes, because in 2003, when I had my SD9, I said I wanted a FF Foveon. Sixteen years is a long wait. Seriously, if it's 2400 I would think hard about it. But if they come in at 1500 I'll get one. I already know it won't be as fast or have as good AF and AE as my Nikon D800. But the Merrill clouds are magic if you're into landscapes.

If I wanted to be entirely rational, I don't need a new camera at all. I could also always buy used cars, boil my dental floss to reuse it and live in a van down by the river to save money.
 
Depends on both the reviews and the price. Also the Quattros never seemed to have the full resolution advantage over Bayer that the 1:1:1 chips have so it wouldn't surprise if it had slightly higher resolution than the H.
 
Not now. I don't need the higher pixel count.
 
I don't think upgrad to full frame if its price exceeds 2000 usd.

Because the full frame and Q have the same resolution And I also have sdqh, so I don't think the investment in moving the system will be worth the price.

I think waiting for the apsc or apsh versions with more resolution than ff is good for me.
 
Depends on both the reviews and the price. Also the Quattros never seemed to have the full resolution advantage over Bayer that the 1:1:1 chips have so it wouldn't surprise if it had slightly higher resolution than the H.
Well, if it does, and I seriously doubt that, based on what I've seen between the SD1 Merrill and the SD Quattro, then I will get one too. I think the new camera will be better than the SD Quattro H in many ways, but only by a little bit (i.e. a little less noise, a little finer per-pixel image quality, a little faster operation, a little bit better viewfinder, a little bit bigger raw shooting buffer, etc.). The kicker will be if it has a tilt screen or Wi-Fi . . . or both. In that case I might consider getting it, and I think Sigma might realize that, and go ahead and include such a feature. What I'm really hoping is that Sigma decides to revamp their thinking a little over the next few months, and adds another 6 or 8 megapixels, producing a sensor that captures 28 MP per layer instead of 20 MP per layer. That's a 40% increase, but still will produce images that are significantly less noisy than the Merrill. Such a camera will out-resolve the 50 MP cameras out there, and I think that would be a key to Sigma being seen as a major player in the high-end camera market. I think it would also mean they could make the price another $500 to $1,000 more, and very little extra cost. But I guess maybe they plan to be more conservative this first time out, and then step up to such a sensor in a few years. I hope I don't have to wait THAT long to get a more significant upgrade from the SD Quattro H . . . but if that's the way it is, so be it. I do wonder if this step means that they might make Quattro sensors between 1:1:1 sensors, skipping a generation each time. In other words, if you're a Quattro proponent, then you would have to wait, skipping a generation, to upgrade your camera to a new model, and if you're a Merrill proponent, then you'll have to wait, and skip the Quattro generation, in order to upgrade to a new model. This would allow them to have Quattro and "Merrill" cameras on the market at the same time, though the latest model with always be one with either a Quattro or a "Merrill" sensor. This might be a very sensible strategy, especially if they start producing a new full-frame, L-mount camera every year or so. It would allow people who like one flavor or another to upgrade every couple of years, or have to wait at least four years to upgrade, if they want to skip the latest generation of camera with their preferred sensor type.
 
Not now. I don't need the higher pixel count.
Yeah, and if you use low-res mode with the 20 MP per layer camera, you'll end up with 5 MP images, right Ted? If you wanted that, you could just get an SD Quattro H. In fact, I predict that in a year or so, you'll end up buying a cheap, used SD Quattro H, to use in low-res mode.

;)
 
I don't think upgrad to full frame if its price exceeds 2000 usd.

Because the full frame and Q have the same resolution And I also have sdqh, so I don't think the investment in moving the system will be worth the price.

I think waiting for the apsc or apsh versions with more resolution than ff is good for me.
I wonder if Sigma will do that. I was thinking it would make sense for Sigma to make a full set of three different Quattro cameras in L mount, but I figured that would be the case with the Quattro density, giving people choices of price range. I guess they COULD make a full-frame camera, and then make Quattro versions with smaller sensors, but I doubt they'll do that, because I think the same resolution of the APS-C version would pull too many customers away from the full-frame camera. Then again, some famous person once said something like, "If you don't cannibalize your market, someone else will."
 
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If I can afford it, I will. The first interesting Sigma since the Merrills.
 
If it is priced right and affordable, I might consider. However, I FULLY support Sigma for their decision to go back to 1:1:1 format. I have watched Yamaki-san's presentation, and I really liked his choice of words when he said like "..we are going back to our traditional and original sensor format". It seems like Sigma guys have got the message from user reactions from various forums and websites.
Sigma will surely call it a 60 MP camera, which will make it the "highest resolution" camera Sigma has ever made. It will surely capture more "information" than any previous Sigma camera . . .
Yes. I think so.
but it will not produce files with greater resolution than the SD Quattro H.
I don't care.

But I am sure new FF will bring back those qualities Sigma has long lost, which I know you won't agree, as it is not quantifiable. But like most other true Foveon fans, I find images from traditional Sigma cameras unique, with sense-of-depth (or 3D pop as some say), right down to the feeling in the air, film-like natural rendering. For me, that's more important than resolution.

"Images produced by Sigma [traditional] cameras, have what's been called an “emotional quality”. The emotion comes with a level of image quality that only the Foveon X3® direct image sensor can deliver. Image quality of a clarity and exquisiteness easily outclassing that of conventional digital cameras. This level of image quality reproduces the scene you shot, right down to the feeling in the air. It's only possible in a vertical color-capture system that does not require color interpolation.."
t will match all the other Quattros though, and most likely it will offer some improvement over those, with regard to noise, color, etc.
I think there will be considerable improvement in noise, and DR aspects compared to Quattro, since it has bigger pixels. In my opinion, improved noise and bringing back all those traditional qualities mentioned above contributes to overall improved image quality, not just by cramming more pixels.
I'm wondering how many SD Quattro, SD1 Merrill, and pre-Merrill camera owners (and possibly even SD Quattro H owners) plan to get the new full-frame camera, now that it's been announced it will have a pre-Merrill style sensor design. I don't plan to buy it, because I already have a camera that produces photos that have at least 25% more pixels (the SD Quattro H), but I think if I had an SD Quattro then maybe I would seriously consider it, though I suspect the new full-frame camera will be a pretty expensive camera.

What say you? (and why?)
I don't understand your obsession for more and more and more...resolution. Actually, what is your requirement and how much is enough for you? If your are so concerned about high res, I suggest you could go for any high end bayer FF or MF.
 
I'll probably buy it for the lack of crop factor and hopefully better dynamic range.
 
Yes, when the price is right. I.m expecting that a new 1:1:1 sensor will show a significant improvement over the SD1 sensor.

David
 
Yes.

Getting a Foveon to put behind my vintage lenses has been my dream since the announcement of the SDQ line, which I never bought into because I wasn't interested in buying into the lens mount.

I just hope the Foveon can handle the vintage lenses without too many weird anomalies. Just think of all lens-distortion-correction features that will have to be added into SPP/firmware.

Also total missed opportunity to turn this thread into a poll...

Oh sorry - and to keep this post on topic: megapixels.
 
Unless it is really expensive or has other problems, I am planning to get one.
Yes, it depends on the price and how broke I am at the time. And various other unpredictables.
Just assume you'll be broke.....

..... but will have too much GAS so you'll get it anyway.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(susceptibility to GAS and being broke seem to go hand in hand - scientists have yet to discover the relationship between the two.)
 
snip....."now that it's been announced it will have a pre-Merrill style sensor design."
Haven't been following along that closely, but where is it mentioned that the sensor will be pre-Merrill?

fwiw....if it's priced reasonably and the viewfinder is "good" (?), along with other reasonable (?) improvements, I might consider it, and a big "IF"....... if the "cost of breathing" stabilizes a little.
 
snip....."now that it's been announced it will have a pre-Merrill style sensor design."
Haven't been following along that closely, but where is it mentioned that the sensor will be pre-Merrill?

fwiw....if it's priced reasonably and the viewfinder is "good" (?), along with other reasonable (?) improvements, I might consider it, and a big "IF"....... if the "cost of breathing" stabilizes a little.
Here a translation says they're going back to their "original 1:1:1" - but I take it to mean pre-Quattro and nothing more than that.


I believe Scottelly mis-spoke and meant to say "Pre-Quattro".
 

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