Why is the E-1 so big?

... (what sort of a name is that?) as a member of the buying public I was in my local camera shop last week and in the prime display cabinet were just four models - 10D, S2Pro, *ist and E-1.

I don't care for any of your dimensional arguments, I can tell you that in my eyes the E-1 was like a greyhound compared to the rest. The 10D looked like an outdated brick, the S2Pro looked like a Frankenstein makeover, only the Pentax (surprised me) looked any good in comparison to the E-1 which just sat there daring me to pick it up.

I didn't!

Now you can say what you want about the technical doo-dads but it was that look which made me ditch my Sony's and buy the E-10 (and then an E-20) and I have become a firm Oly fan as a result so I say two things - don't underestimate the looks and if it looks smaller it is smaller - and it does - much.

I'm happy you like your 10D and I won't argue the image results (although Canon imagery not to my taste) but FFS stop going on about the size - it's obvious to any biped with a pulse - it looks like a brick next to the E-1.

Jim
10D: 5.9 x 4.2 x 3.0 in / 30.9 oz
E-1: 5.6 x 4.1 x 3.2 in / 25.9 oz

But, it was the E-1 that claimed to be compact...
Perhaps there's a size in
between Prosumer and "35mm sized" DSLRs that would be just right.
Isn't that what the E1 is? It's larger than most prosumer cameras,
but not as large as the other current DSLRs.
 
Jim,

For your information I ACTUALLY own a Nikon Coolpix 4500 which I use regularly for family occasions.... It "only" cost me £500 when I bought it a while ago... (Eek! that is the same price as a couple of good-condition Olympus OM2n film bodies). So I aint anti-digital. Show me an e-system camera with either a full-frame sensor... or evidence that the resolution of 4/3 sensor can be future-upgraded to far beyond 5 megapixel ... then I could be tempted to buy into the e-1 system. (Provided the camera body was no more than £100 more expensive than the current EOS D300 .... it is worth paying this little bit more for a better-built camera). As far as I understand current developments in digital technology are concerned, the resolution of that "tiny" 4/3 sensor cannot be increased much further ... (noise?)... so I can only assume that those 4/3 lenses have also been computed to work with some future (larger) sensor e-system camera. However, I know very little about digital imaging.

Cheers
Almost without fail he is negative, confrontational and self
contradictory (not all in each post, of course). Very occasionally
he contributes something useful.

I really don't know why he is here. He seems determined to impose
his view on everyone that digital photography is only a pale
imitation of 'real' photography which is only carried out using
equipment which 'real men' used and which results in 'real'
photography. He seems to be particularly venemous about Olympus.

He does not appear to realise that he belongs with the dinosasurs.
I don't mean that in a derogatory sense to other users however it
is my considered view that DSLR's (no matter what their current
perceived shortcomings) will continue to improve, get cheaper and
will eventually become dominant in much the same way that CD's
ousted vinyl and eventually relegated it to a niche specialist area
despite the protests of the die-hard enthuisiasts. It isn't really
a question of 'whether', it's only a question of 'when' and 'how
much'.

Once we can get clear of the '35mm, 35mm, 35mm' mantra and the
'full frame' trap DSLR technology can really take off and do I
perceive Olympus as being one of the few with sufficient nerve
(and, to be fair, less to lose) to pull it off with 4/3 format
sensors and optimised intelligent lenses. Who really remembers how
35mm came about? Was it a carefully planned and optimised design
with matched lenses and body designs put together by a consortium
of interested parties or was it just expedient to saw readily
available 70mm stock in half?

Does this mean we lose the 'good old days'? Yes, it does. Except
they weren't all really good, were they? I started with a Hanimex
35mm POS (yes, I'll admit it!) and progressed through some worthy
SLR's along the way (no, OMF, pipe down, never had an OM anything).
I never, repeat NEVER had images out of any of them to rival what I
get out of my E-20 today and that is considered 'old' technology.

OMF seems to have a giant sized chip (not silicon lol) on his
shoulder because an industrial giant like Olympus will not share
his nostalgia and remain in the past. I say, applaud them for
trying to meld the best of the past with the best of the future and
show the C & N ostriches that there is another way to develop
digital imaging, whether Oly succeeds or fails.

Maybe he should just take all his OM kit and retire to his darkroom
and stay there, stop bugging us and leave us to get on with the
future - I for one am tired of his incessant whining and as a
fellow countryman suggest that if he doesn't like current
developments (no pun intended) he should just 'leave town'.

Jim
Yes ...that 300mm zuiko f2.8 has the same field of view of a 600mm
film lens ..but so what? ... it does not have the resolution. ...
The image resolution of that lens is at least 50-75% less than
that produced by the 250mm f2.0, 350mm f2.8 and 300mm f4.5 film
lenses used on an "old" OM film body loaded with 100 asa film.
(Can you imagine how bad it's comparative performance would be
against an OM film camera loaded with Fujichrome 50 or Kodachrome
64?). This is not a problem with the lens .. it's a problem with
the sensor that this fantastic lens has to project it's
superb-quality images on!
Om Fan,
Not that I don't believe you, but exactly how do you measure the
300mm F2.8 digital zuiko's resolution comapred to the 250mm f2.0,
350mm f2.8 and 300mm f4.5 film lenses.

I guess I'm not understanding what you are saying, because first you
say the resolution of the lens can't match, then you say it's a
problem
with the sensor the lens is attached to.

What would be interesting, is to get a 4/3 to OM adapter, as in
reverse
of the OM to 4/3's adapter, and try some digital zuiko's on film
cameras
side by side with the other lenses.

I'm anxiously awaiting arrival of the adapter, and samples posted
by all
you guys with OM zuikos laying around (Thanks Higuma for the samples
you already posted). I want to see some 300mm + samples.

PS OM lenses are going nuts on ebay, prices are UP.

Joe
 
Canon 300 2.8: 5.0 x 9.9 in / 5.6 lbs.
Olympus 300 2.8: 5.1 x 11.1 in / 7.2 lbs.

Compared to the 10D, which isn't even the largest DSLR, I don't see
any size or weight benefit. Even the 300mm lens (the only exact
comparison with Canon) is much larger and heavier.
The 300 f/2.8 Zuiko has the same field of view of a 600mm lens on a
SLR film camera. When put on a 1.6 crop factor body, the nearest
Canon lens is the 400 f/2.8 (640mm eq. FOV).

10D + 400 f/2.8 : 6.1 Kg
E-1 + 300 f/2.8 : 4 Kg
Sorry, this just isn't right. A 300mm lens is a 300mm lens. The fact that the imaging circle is smaller for the Oly should make it easier to make a lighter 300mm lens. Arguing the crop factor just doesn't make sense. If you want to crop an image from a 1.6x crop factor sensor to the size of a 4/3'rds sensor you can, it doesn't make the attached glass longer.

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http://ganzhorn.myphotos.cc/gallery
 
... you are quite willing to spout authoritatively about it as if you do and hold forth your views and opinions (which you are perfectly entitled to do) as fact (which you are most definitely not).

That is nothing more than soap-box ranting which is as worthless as it is damaging given that many come here to gain views and experience from those who have already trodden the path they are considering. Not everyone can immediately tell the difference between informed and candid opinion and opinionated blustering which I would humbly suggest has no place in this forum.

Jim

OM Fan wrote:
---snip!---
However, I know very little about digital imaging.

Cheers
 

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