What camera has the best color accuracy?

This, along with a reluctance to read previous answers before you share your own wisdom, has been a problem for ages, apparently.
Actually I think the original problem is largely solved. Certainly I've never seen problems as bad as the ones I was complaining about in 2008. It makes sense that as the camera makers get more experience, their products will get better.

I find it kind of funny when this old thread gets a new hit.
Back in 2008, I owned a Sony A100 that had a 10mp CCD APSC sensor. There are people today that rave about the color output of that camera. You be the judge.

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The downfall of the camera was its IQ quickly deteriorated above ISO 400.
Good punchy colours but the solid black shadows are a killer.

Don Cox
 
This, along with a reluctance to read previous answers before you share your own wisdom, has been a problem for ages, apparently.
Actually I think the original problem is largely solved. Certainly I've never seen problems as bad as the ones I was complaining about in 2008. It makes sense that as the camera makers get more experience, their products will get better.

I find it kind of funny when this old thread gets a new hit.
Back in 2008, I owned a Sony A100 that had a 10mp CCD APSC sensor. There are people today that rave about the color output of that camera. You be the judge.

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The downfall of the camera was its IQ quickly deteriorated above ISO 400.
Good punchy colours but the solid black shadows are a killer.

Don Cox
Sensors back then didn’t have much DR. These were SOOC JPEGs. RAW probably would have done better.

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The downfall of the camera was its IQ quickly deteriorated above ISO 400.
Good punchy colours but the solid black shadows are a killer.

Don Cox
Sensors back then didn’t have much DR. These were SOOC JPEGs. RAW probably would have done better.
Yes, that is true for the Sigma Foveon Merrill sensor, which has similar punchy colours and limited DR. With care you can get the raw files to show some shadow detail so it doesn't look as though somebody spilt black ink on the picture.

Did that camera save raw files ? It might be fun to play with one today.

Thanks for showing the examples.

Don
 
As a part time journalist, I agree.

But as someone who has also worked in the graphic arts and print production I know that when you set your camera color controls on Neutral you’re letting the engineers at the camera manufacturer pick your colors for you and by extension the professors that taught them about color science and so on back through the generations.

So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
Really,..true world color is boring. Most famous photos are enhanced/altered one way or the other.
In your opinion. In my practice as a documentary photographer, accurate colour fidelity is essential but I wouldn't think to impose this opinion on all other photographers. Oh! and you wrong to claim that most famous photographs are all enhanced in some way or other. Some might be but many are not.
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Good punchy colours but the solid black shadows are a killer.
Those two things might be connected. The easiest way to punch up the saturation and contrast of an image is to change the tone curves to darken the less bright color channels. Here's a quick example I cooked up, SOOC on the left and darkened tones on the right.

SOOC on the left, darkened tones on the right.

SOOC on the left, darkened tones on the right.
 
The downfall of the camera was its IQ quickly deteriorated above ISO 400.
Good punchy colours but the solid black shadows are a killer.

Don Cox
Sensors back then didn’t have much DR. These were SOOC JPEGs. RAW probably would have done better.
Yes, that is true for the Sigma Foveon Merrill sensor, which has similar punchy colours and limited DR. With care you can get the raw files to show some shadow detail so it doesn't look as though somebody spilt black ink on the picture.

Did that camera save raw files ? It might be fun to play with one today.

Thanks for showing the examples.

Don
Yes it did RAW.
 
So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
 
So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
Incandescent lights lean toward orange so they are no more "natural" than LEDs which lean toward blue. Sunlight gives the most natural color which should be obvious because sunlight is the natural light our eyes and brains adapted to. Anything else is not natural.
 
So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
Incandescent lights lean toward orange so they are no more "natural" than LEDs which lean toward blue. Sunlight gives the most natural color which should be obvious because sunlight is the natural light our eyes and brains adapted to. Anything else is not natural.
You're missing the problem, it's not the overall color - that can be fixed by a simple white balance change. Sunlight and incandescent light both share the property of being made up of an even distribution of frequencies of light; the frequency distribution of a LED is much more lumpy. Metameric failure is the term when something looks different under one light source than it does under another.

P.S. "warm" LEDs have the same yellowish tint that incandescent bulbs have, but it doesn't make them any better or worse for taking pictures.
 
Those colors really pop, but I think that's because they're overly saturated. You can tell by looking at the skies. It's hard to tell when color is accurate when you don't know what the scene actually looked like, or have an object on hand to compare to.

I started this thread in 2008, but it was about a camera I bought in 2004. And it wasn't a fresh model then either - DPReview did their review in 2002.
 
Tungsten bulbs and daylight both have well-understood outputs that engineers have been studying for more than 100 years and have excellent ways to get beautiful files.

Older generation fluorescents and LEDs respond pretty well to a custom white balance with a Michael Tapes WhiBal card or similar but I wouldn’t shoot a Coke commercial lit by WalMart fluorescents.

But in reality the human eye is really good at compensating for weird inconsistencies from the lights. Watch 1988’s “Die Hard” which was groundbreaking in its use of ugly fluorescent available light.

So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
Incandescent lights lean toward orange so they are no more "natural" than LEDs which lean toward blue. Sunlight gives the most natural color which should be obvious because sunlight is the natural light our eyes and brains adapted to. Anything else is not natural.
 
So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
Incandescent lights lean toward orange so they are no more "natural" than LEDs which lean toward blue. Sunlight gives the most natural color which should be obvious because sunlight is the natural light our eyes and brains adapted to. Anything else is not natural.
LED has non-uniform spectrum with a big drop between blue and green. Tungsten is much flatter.

 
You are right. Consistency is a different issue. Since I don’t do studio work it’s not an issue I can control so I’m at the mercy of the venue.
 
“Sunlight and incandescent light both share the property of being made up of an even distribution of frequencies of light; the frequency distribution of a LED is much more lumpy.”

That is mostly true but there some newer LEDs which do not have the spectral problems. the following video discusses the color spectrum issues with RGB type LEDs and why high-end daylight balanced LEDs developed for the cine industry avoid it.

 
Those colors really pop, but I think that's because they're overly saturated. You can tell by looking at the skies.
True but people tend to like saturated colors whether accurate or not.
It's hard to tell when color is accurate when you don't know what the scene actually looked like, or have an object on hand to compare to.
No camera gives truly accurate colors. In fact, it's impossible because color perception varies so much from person to person and is highly dependent on the lighting. Even in sunlight, there are differences depending on the number of clouds and time of day. In our perception of color, our minds automatically compensate for those differences so we don't notice it but cameras can't do that.
I started this thread in 2008, but it was about a camera I bought in 2004. And it wasn't a fresh model then either - DPReview did their review in 2002.
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But in reality the human eye is really good at compensating for weird inconsistencies from the lights. Watch 1988’s “Die Hard” which was groundbreaking in its use of ugly fluorescent available light.
Yes, our minds compensate for color differences but cameras cannot do that.
 
So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
Incandescent lights lean toward orange so they are no more "natural" than LEDs which lean toward blue. Sunlight gives the most natural color which should be obvious because sunlight is the natural light our eyes and brains adapted to. Anything else is not natural.
LED has non-uniform spectrum with a big drop between blue and green. Tungsten is much flatter.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ndescent-tungsten-light-bulb-b_fig1_312320039
Re: What camera has the best color accuracy?: Open Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
 
So while Neutral or Standard is often the most journalistically ethical choice, it’s not going to be always the most accurate. Different generations of LED bulbs can make some colors much brighter than in real life for instance…
LED and fluorescent bulbs are the worst. I always look for ones with the best CRI rating, but few bulbs even list theirs. And even CRI isn't perfect, it's flawed to start with and it's based on eye color response, not camera color response. When looking for accurate colors under artificial lights I always insist on incandescent bulbs.
Incandescent lights lean toward orange so they are no more "natural" than LEDs which lean toward blue. Sunlight gives the most natural color which should be obvious because sunlight is the natural light our eyes and brains adapted to. Anything else is not natural.
LED has non-uniform spectrum with a big drop between blue and green. Tungsten is much flatter.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ndescent-tungsten-light-bulb-b_fig1_312320039
Re: What camera has the best color accuracy?: Open Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
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But in reality the human eye is really good at compensating for weird inconsistencies from the lights. Watch 1988’s “Die Hard” which was groundbreaking in its use of ugly fluorescent available light.
Yes, our minds compensate for color differences but cameras cannot do that.
Actually, our minds do not compensate for poor spectrum. We may learn to live with it to ignore it but this is another story.

Next, cameras do not need to compensate for color differences. After all, theoretically, our eyes will do it when we view the photo. The problem is that the whole chain: cameras + ... + display media do not have the capability to present a (necessarily fake) copy of the real scene which will not distinguish from the real one even if they are designed to do it.
 

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