usefullness of phone camera

If I look back at color pictures takes on 35mm film, we have come such a long way with phone cameras.

Sure there are things they cannot do, but they have been eating into the 'real camera' field for a long time now, and with good reason.

I have caught many images using the phone where I wish I had my real camera with me - but I'm still glad I have them.
You have a point no one can argue with. And I agree totally. Artifical intelegence and software will probably not in our life time be able to replicate #old film # camera or even dslr,... And I understand the feeling #wish for that camera #with you for specific shot. But phones have really came a long way if you just think you can watch videos shot videos, took photos, browse the internet, send mails, communicate with friends, advertise, do business, call home, call for help, be creative, etc the list just go on and on.
 
I think film has been overtaken in many cases. I remember using 35mm film in less than excellent light - one always needed flash. I remember the colors (hard to get even decent).

Phone cameras are definitely 'good enough'. A crop factor of 6.4 and an f/1.7 lens.

That is equivalent to f/11 on APS-C. Which is not a lot of light, but in decent light it can take excellent pictures.

Smarts such as HDR and stacking make it work with high contrast and low light.

And aggressive denoising...
 
A few days late, but here's a comparison of two pictures I took this morning, one with my A6500 with 10-18 lens, and the other with the basic 8mp ultra-wide camera on my mid-range smart phone. Both are rendered to the same size. The A6500 picture was shot raw, and processed in DxO PL3. The pictures were taken from slightly different positions, but the lighting was unchanged. Both were handheld, and I used Night mode with the phone.

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@Nigel: Sorry but that is user error. You used a shutter speed of 1/250 sec ISO640 and f4 at 10 mm ultrawide focal length.

Instead you could have used f5.6 (greatly improving sharpness) ISO320 (less noise) 1/60 sec still enough to avoid motion blur.

So nice to see a comparison but to utilize full potential of cameras you need to set it up right. I can't even believe that these settings were full automatic in P-Mode.

It would also have been interesting to see the window section on the A6500 shot.

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@Nigel: Sorry but that is user error. You used a shutter speed of 1/250 sec ISO640 and f4 at 10 mm ultrawide focal length.
It was in P mode. I had ISO AUTO Min SS set to Faster, as I'd been taking taking pictures through a train window. That's why it chose a faster shutter speed, and wide aperture.
Instead you could have used f5.6 (greatly improving sharpness) ISO320 (less noise) 1/60 sec still enough to avoid motion blur.
I was using DxO PRIME, so noise isn't a problem with ISO640.
So nice to see a comparison but to utilize full potential of cameras you need to set it up right. I can't even believe that these settings were full automatic in P-Mode.
Apart from choosing the ultra WA camera and Night mode, I let the phone choose its own settings. I think it does some sort of MFNR in Night mode, but it's hard to be sure.
It would also have been interesting to see the window section on the A6500 shot.
I wasn't trying to set up a test shot. These were just two casual shots that I took. I took the phone picture first, not intending to take one with the A6500, then changed my mind.
 
Thank you.

Since so many people contribute their images, I think I should do some research myself too. I used my wife's iphone se and my A6600 with 18-135 to take a few pictures at the same location. Not for pixel peeping but just to get someone interested a general feeling. To give a better idea, I'm uploading original size images.

The scene I choose is relatively low light and I tried to use similar focal length.

Scene 1:

iphone original smart HDR enabled

iphone original smart HDR enabled

A6600 ooc jpg

A6600 ooc jpg

A6600 raw developed (now it looks to me a bit over done)

A6600 raw developed (now it looks to me a bit over done)

Scene 2:

iphone original smart HDR enabled

iphone original smart HDR enabled

whoops, just noticed that when taking HDR bracketing below, I forgot to change ISO to manual, so some exposure have very high iso in this image below

iphone original modified in lightroom

iphone original modified in lightroom

A6600 0/+2/-2 bracketing HDR in lightroom

A6600 0/+2/-2 bracketing HDR in lightroom

A6600 normal exposed and developed in lightroom

A6600 normal exposed and developed in lightroom

And just for some fun

And just for some fun

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Adding another one with ISO set to 100 for A6600. Although they are not taken in exactly the same light as the iphone photo above.



A6600 normal exposed and developed in lightroom

A6600 normal exposed and developed in lightroom

A6600 3 bracket HDR

A6600 3 bracket HDR



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Well, not sure why I start this thread and not sure why I am tempted by the iphone 12. Maybe just because my iphone 6 plus is already 5 years old and I'm tired of its 16G memory.

Just trying to see what people (especially people here take camera/photography as a hobby) feel how useful their iphone (or any phone) camera is.

I quit using my iphone 6 camera after one year mainly because my phone storage space has been full since then and I'm too lazy to clear my pictures on the phone. Also, the images taken by my phone do not look too good when viewed on my computer screen (even though I am the only one who would do so while everyone else just enjoy viewing them on their phone screen). Things are much uglier if the light is low when the picture is taken, especially if my subject is moving (which is the case most of the time). Many times the view angle of the wide lens is also a problem that I wish I could have a different perspective. It also does not feel very comfortable when use the phone as a camera for a long time and sometimes without EVF it could be hard to see your subject while composing.

So what has changed since iphone 6? I have an RX100, a retired A6000 and a newly acquired A6600 with 30f1.4, 501.8, 18-135 and 12 f2. In what situations I would need the iphone camera instead of my other equipment (other than when I choose not to bring the camera)?

A 13 mm wide angle lens. That's nice and something I always want in many occasions. No matter if I pick my RX100 to be as light as possible, or travel with A6600 and one or two lens, I usually could not get that focal length (the 12 mm f2 lens stays at home most of the time). When I need this angle of view, I'm most likely dealing with static subject so the night mode would be helpful too.

A 52 mm or 65 mm normal lens. That's nice too but maybe not as useful as if it is a 100 mm lens. And I guess my RX100 can beat it if I am willing to also take some long exposures or multiframe stacking for low light situations. The catch is do you feel the iphone provide you the level of convenience (like you do not need to do post processing, you do not need to bring tripod, you do not even need to remember to bring your camera) that you think is really worth it and could deliver some end result that you'll not regret that you did not use your dedicated camera?

Water proof. That may be really useful? I am not going to bring my phone to the pool or taking pictures when it's pouring. I also don't want to invest on a very clumsy underwater case. Will I (you) do that with the iphone? Anyone enjoyed using their phone as their main water activity camera?

Night mode. The sample images I saw from the website look very nice, at least for the size of image they post on line. I guess it is limited to static subject so I still need my camera and fast lens when dealing with moving subject. But could be handy when you need to take a snap indoors or at night etc.. Anyone feel it is really better than even a APSC camera for low light situation (without using tripod of course).

Portrait mode. Do pictures taken in this mode look realistic most of the time? DOF control is one main reason for a fast lens and large sensor and is nowadays phone camera good enough to simulate its effect in most of the cases?

A bright and contrasty screen that you would never have issue viewing under the sun?

How many of you think the phone camera is a good supplement to your photography tools and plan to use it for certain situations other than something you only think about to use when there is really no other tools available?

How many of you think it is worth it to go for the higher end camera module/feature when shopping for a phone that's originally intended as a communication tool?
I picked up the Galaxy Note S20 (not Ulta), when my older phone conked out on me. I would say that the technology using the cell phone camera is much more impressive now that it was 5 years ago.

It may not satisfy the most demanding photographer, but it can do a decent job most of the time. During this pandemic, I had the opportunity to compare shots using my phone vs A7Riii with 20mm G (night cityscape). It wasn't even a comparison. The photo from the cell phone was fine, but working with the file on my PC, it was nite and day. I'm being nitpicky. But I do like using a cellphone camera as a reference camera when I don't have my mirrorless with me. I do have to add that at this point, the cell phone camera is nearly identical to my RX100VA in performance.
 
I hate how Apple hides technical details from their consumers, no one knows what is the sensor size of the cameras on the iphone 12 pro. [cut]
You can look it up, if you’re that interested. But... most people don’t care, if the images are “good enough”!

For me, the image is all. Whether I use large frame, FF, DX, 4/3 or smaller “real cameras”. In the very few cases, where a real camera is actually needed - and I can reserve the time for post processing - I can carry a trolley with gear (never on flights).

I’ve even started disposing of my prints. The good negatives have been converted to digital. The prints just take up space. I have a few of personal - not artistic - value on my walls, but the last ones went into the bin a few days ago. I had recently - by chance - discovered, that I haven’t looked at any prints since 1999 or 2000. Not one! How did I discover this fact? I found a misplaced invoice from 1999 on top of the stack, and I remember hunting “everywhere” like mad for that invoice ;-)

For travel I only use my smartphones, and I carry an old LX100 in case I have to make night time 4K video, like Semana Santa in Seville or Noche Blanco de Flamenco in Cordoba, Chingay in George Town in Malaysia or ditto in Singapore etc. Otherwise it just collects dust ;-)

Regards
 
Well, not sure why I start this thread and not sure why I am tempted by the iphone 12. Maybe just because my iphone 6 plus is already 5 years old and I'm tired of its 16G memory.

Just trying to see what people (especially people here take camera/photography as a hobby) feel how useful their iphone (or any phone) camera is.

I quit using my iphone 6 camera after one year mainly because my phone storage space has been full since then and I'm too lazy to clear my pictures on the phone. Also, the images taken by my phone do not look too good when viewed on my computer screen (even though I am the only one who would do so while everyone else just enjoy viewing them on their phone screen). Things are much uglier if the light is low when the picture is taken, especially if my subject is moving (which is the case most of the time). Many times the view angle of the wide lens is also a problem that I wish I could have a different perspective. It also does not feel very comfortable when use the phone as a camera for a long time and sometimes without EVF it could be hard to see your subject while composing.

So what has changed since iphone 6? I have an RX100, a retired A6000 and a newly acquired A6600 with 30f1.4, 501.8, 18-135 and 12 f2. In what situations I would need the iphone camera instead of my other equipment (other than when I choose not to bring the camera)?

A 13 mm wide angle lens. That's nice and something I always want in many occasions. No matter if I pick my RX100 to be as light as possible, or travel with A6600 and one or two lens, I usually could not get that focal length (the 12 mm f2 lens stays at home most of the time). When I need this angle of view, I'm most likely dealing with static subject so the night mode would be helpful too.

A 52 mm or 65 mm normal lens. That's nice too but maybe not as useful as if it is a 100 mm lens. And I guess my RX100 can beat it if I am willing to also take some long exposures or multiframe stacking for low light situations. The catch is do you feel the iphone provide you the level of convenience (like you do not need to do post processing, you do not need to bring tripod, you do not even need to remember to bring your camera) that you think is really worth it and could deliver some end result that you'll not regret that you did not use your dedicated camera?

Water proof. That may be really useful? I am not going to bring my phone to the pool or taking pictures when it's pouring. I also don't want to invest on a very clumsy underwater case. Will I (you) do that with the iphone? Anyone enjoyed using their phone as their main water activity camera?

Night mode. The sample images I saw from the website look very nice, at least for the size of image they post on line. I guess it is limited to static subject so I still need my camera and fast lens when dealing with moving subject. But could be handy when you need to take a snap indoors or at night etc.. Anyone feel it is really better than even a APSC camera for low light situation (without using tripod of course).

Portrait mode. Do pictures taken in this mode look realistic most of the time? DOF control is one main reason for a fast lens and large sensor and is nowadays phone camera good enough to simulate its effect in most of the cases?

A bright and contrasty screen that you would never have issue viewing under the sun?

How many of you think the phone camera is a good supplement to your photography tools and plan to use it for certain situations other than something you only think about to use when there is really no other tools available?

How many of you think it is worth it to go for the higher end camera module/feature when shopping for a phone that's originally intended as a communication tool?
I find it very useful. Use it at work a lot. A Huawei 20 pro something. Takes nice pictures. Would I use it for "photography"? Tried it and while I like it, no. Works nice as a fake camera though sometimes :-)
 
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It's all been said but I will echo that I don't plan on replacing my nice camera but my cell phone is just so handy and gets pretty good results.

Samsung Note 9



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I feel that a camera has many advantages over a phone camera. Off course the specs of a camera should always be better but there are other salient differences such as the camera (even one without many physical controls like the RX100) being only a photographing tool. It often makes you slow down, and the zoom function also gives you a greater ability to frame the picture. The smartphone however is still very useful. I find giving my smartphone images a quick touch up in snapseed provides me with a much better photo taking experience as I get a much more involved experience of the image creation process.
 
How many of you think the phone camera is a good supplement to your photography tools and plan to use it for certain situations other than something you only think about to use when there is really no other tools available?
I use my phone when I go out for a bicycle ride all the time and for short walks (if I go somewhere new and/or the conditions are good, I take a real camera with me). I used to take an RX100 with me on those occassions, but the phone works perfectly fine and in some conditions even better (auto HDR is great). Here's a few full size examples. You can see that the phone is struggling with the finer detail toward the edges of te frame, but that's probably the lens. You can work around that if you'd wish to.



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I posted a question on the IOS talk for iPhone 12 Pro Max owners. I have a 2018 iPhone XS and it's superb for travel to compliment my A6500 gear. I love using the Portrait mode but limited to half body or three-quarter body shots of adults. For smaller subjects like kids and pets full-body shots are not a problem. I am hoping that the Apple engineers would have improved this function on the current Pro Max but from the samples I've seen on the web it looks like the images that I could take with my XS.

If next year's iPhone Pro Max or even the 2022 version can do these I'll definitely upgrade. But for now I'll hang on to my current equipment.







 
Just took these yesterday on my Note 8, not bad at all for a three year old phone





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