Upgrade path after the a99ii?

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I have the a99ii pre-ordered but I am having second thoughts. Those reasons include A mount's future and lens support.

I shoot portraits, landscape, and sports for hobby. Do I need the camera now? No, but I can put it to use quite fast. I currently do not have any Sony bodies or lenses. It is the ideal camera that I have always wanted Sony to make. If I were to go all in with the A mount system, it would cost me about $10,000 for body and lenses or more to duplicate my current Nikon system.

What if the a99ii is the last flagship A mount or there are no more lens refreshes? What do i do with my A mount lenses? How well will they adapt if I were to switch to a7r2? Or should I invest in a budget a7r2 and build out my lens system until the a9 comes out?
 
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I like my A77II and I would buy the A99II if I had the funds; I merely suggest that there is a shift to mirrorless cameras that will continue to accelerate in the coming years. As you implied, though, the cameras of today will continue to be used in the future.
 
I like my A77II and I would buy the A99II if I had the funds; I merely suggest that there is a shift to mirrorless cameras that will continue to accelerate in the coming years. As you implied, though, the cameras of today will continue to be used in the future.
I know and I was just having a little fun with you. It's true that in 10-15 years mirrored cameras will be nearly obsolete. I say nearly because there will be some DSLRs available for a very long time.

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That is the path.

Buy enough eggs, or buy enough chickens, that can lay enough eggs?
 
The world is going to go mirrorless. It might be a good idea to wait for the supposedly soon to be announced full frame E-Mount Sony flagship. OTOH, I would love to have an A99II.

Still, in a few years time, the photography landscape will be quite different, gear wise.
Maybe. However, by the time Sony has Mirrorless with tracking AF as good as mirrored counter parts.... I would assume that the LAEA3(or its replacement) can use A-mount lenses seamlessly, without compromises like losing Eye AF or weak tracking.

So if you want to use and can afford an A99ii... then I don't see "The Future" as a reason not to buy it. Your A-mount lenses will most likely work seamlessly on the future A7Riii or A9ii(maybe not an A9).

Also the A7Rii has been sold out for months @ $3200. How much do you think an A9 will cost?
 
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What makes you think there are no lenses for this camera. I have the 70-400G2 and 70-300G2. Sony had many great lenses for this camera along with third party lens makers. I have pre ordered the A99II to go with my A77II. I also use full frame e-mount cameras also.
 
I have the a99ii pre-ordered but I am having second thoughts. Those reasons include A mount's future and lens support.

I shoot portraits, landscape, and sports for hobby. Do I need the camera now? No, but I can put it to use quite fast. I currently do not have any Sony bodies or lenses. It is the ideal camera that I have always wanted Sony to make. If I were to go all in with the A mount system, it would cost me about $10,000 for body and lenses or more to duplicate my current Nikon system.

What if the a99ii is the last flagship A mount or there are no more lens refreshes? What do i do with my A mount lenses? How well will they adapt if I were to switch to a7r2? Or should I invest in a budget a7r2 and build out my lens system until the a9 comes out?
Good grief. This stuff is like the heads of the Hydra. Chop one A mount is Dead thread off (well, nearly . . almost dead. . . for sure next cycle dead?) and two take its place.

This may sound strange coming from me, but I seriously doubt that the difference in IQ going to this camera from the Nikon 810 is going to be worth $10K. Unless you shoot a lot of 4k video, or a lot of high speed action (and we still don't know about its AF system, particularly tracking. Chasing small IQ margins is part of GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) but it rarely produces results that are worth the expense and grief.
 
Will we get our FF a-mount forum back?
 
I would like to buy a mirrorless A77 replacement (A-Mount) that performs at least as well as my current A77II. As far as the A9 is concerned, I have no idea how much it will cost (let alone if it really exists). Sony is offering people a lot of choices. I suspect people will buy the tool that suits them best.
 
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I have the a99ii pre-ordered but I am having second thoughts. Those reasons include A mount's future and lens support.

I shoot portraits, landscape, and sports for hobby. Do I need the camera now? No, but I can put it to use quite fast. I currently do not have any Sony bodies or lenses. It is the ideal camera that I have always wanted Sony to make. If I were to go all in with the A mount system, it would cost me about $10,000 for body and lenses or more to duplicate my current Nikon system.

What if the a99ii is the last flagship A mount or there are no more lens refreshes? What do i do with my A mount lenses? How well will they adapt if I were to switch to a7r2? Or should I invest in a budget a7r2 and build out my lens system until the a9 comes out?
Good grief. This stuff is like the heads of the Hydra. Chop one A mount is Dead thread off (well, nearly . . almost dead. . . for sure next cycle dead?) and two take its place.

This may sound strange coming from me, but I seriously doubt that the difference in IQ going to this camera from the Nikon 810 is going to be worth $10K. Unless you shoot a lot of 4k video, or a lot of high speed action (and we still don't know about its AF system, particularly tracking. Chasing small IQ margins is part of GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) but it rarely produces results that are worth the expense and grief.
Well I suspect the OP would sell his Nikon products to fund the switch to A-mount. Depending on what the OP wants to shoot it could be worth it to them.

It not just about the image quality, its also about getting the shot. You can shoot faster at 12FPS, Eye-AF, AF@-4ev(vs -2ev on the D810), check exposure without taking the camera away from your eye, no shutter shock, every lens has 5-axis stabilization, slow and quick motion, articulating screen, live view uses primary AF, 4K video, Super35 4K video for better low light performance.

The OP can go the D5 route, but its 21MP... and in a huge body.(I hate those bodies with built in Vgrip)
 
I have the a99ii pre-ordered but I am having second thoughts. Those reasons include A mount's future and lens support.

I shoot portraits, landscape, and sports for hobby. Do I need the camera now? No, but I can put it to use quite fast. I currently do not have any Sony bodies or lenses. It is the ideal camera that I have always wanted Sony to make. If I were to go all in with the A mount system, it would cost me about $10,000 for body and lenses or more to duplicate my current Nikon system.

What if the a99ii is the last flagship A mount or there are no more lens refreshes? What do i do with my A mount lenses? How well will they adapt if I were to switch to a7r2? Or should I invest in a budget a7r2 and build out my lens system until the a9 comes out?
The folks here are very passionate towards A-mount, and with good reason, but they can seem scary at times :D

I think you express two concerns here, one very valid and another not quite so. On the one hand, the very persistent rumors of the death of the A-mount have made most people wary about it. The A99ii will certainly grant the platform at least three more years of life, but after that...?

Well, I for one wouldn't worry. In a declining market, longer product update cycles are inevitable, and Sony is in an unusually good position to adjust - their A-mount flagships have only been released every four years, when their tech has advanced enough to render the older model completely superfluous, and they also take a "kitchen sink" approach to these cameras, stuffing them with features that often are never imitated or surpassed by competitors. With the way things are looking, I wouldn't doubt that an A99iii will come in 2020, and it'll be every bit as revolutionary as this new model. But if you aren't convinced, I would suggest this: wait until around this time next year, and if the A77iii (or whatever they call it) hasn't been announced, then you should start worrying. The APS-C flagships get updated more frequently, and with all the advances packed into the A99ii, it'd be strange if Sony didn't release a more modern companion for the FF camera.

As for your other point, lenses, especially high-quality ones, don't need updating as frequently. Canon kept their 100-400mm L IS over 16 years in the market, finally replacing it in 2014, for example. The 16-35mm and 24-70mm ZA revamps should stay current for another five years. Also, Tamron has clearly shown that they're willing to continue A-mount support, so there'll be interesting lenses coming from them as well. Sigma is more of a question mark at this point, but it'd surprise me if they didn't release some additional optics for the mount. And Sony should release a couple of lenses as well, even if they're only updates of older designs.

So, all in all, if you don't feel certain that you want to switch, wait for a year. The A99ii won't be readily available until six months from now, at least, so you lose nothing, and can wait to see what happens at CP+. I think that, if Sony wants the A-mount to thrive (and why wouldn't they with the A99ii?), they'll need to show it some more love in the coming months. That's what I'd do in your place, anyway.
 
I have the a99ii pre-ordered but I am having second thoughts. Those reasons include A mount's future and lens support.

I shoot portraits, landscape, and sports for hobby. Do I need the camera now? No, but I can put it to use quite fast. I currently do not have any Sony bodies or lenses. It is the ideal camera that I have always wanted Sony to make. If I were to go all in with the A mount system, it would cost me about $10,000 for body and lenses or more to duplicate my current Nikon system.

What if the a99ii is the last flagship A mount or there are no more lens refreshes? What do i do with my A mount lenses? How well will they adapt if I were to switch to a7r2? Or should I invest in a budget a7r2 and build out my lens system until the a9 comes out?
Good grief. This stuff is like the heads of the Hydra. Chop one A mount is Dead thread off (well, nearly . . almost dead. . . for sure next cycle dead?) and two take its place.

This may sound strange coming from me, but I seriously doubt that the difference in IQ going to this camera from the Nikon 810 is going to be worth $10K. Unless you shoot a lot of 4k video, or a lot of high speed action (and we still don't know about its AF system, particularly tracking. Chasing small IQ margins is part of GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) but it rarely produces results that are worth the expense and grief.
Well I suspect the OP would sell his Nikon products to fund the switch to A-mount. Depending on what the OP wants to shoot it could be worth it to them.

It not just about the image quality, its also about getting the shot. You can shoot faster at 12FPS, Eye-AF, AF@-4ev(vs -2ev on the D810), check exposure without taking the camera away from your eye, no shutter shock, every lens has 5-axis stabilization, slow and quick motion, articulating screen, live view uses primary AF, 4K video, Super35 4K video for better low light performance.

The OP can go the D5 route, but its 21MP... and in a huge body.(I hate those bodies with built in Vgrip)
Agreed on much of this, esp. the D5 body!

No argument that the A99ii is more capable on paper (esp. on the video side as I mention), but any major stills IQ difference would likely be due to AF system variation and difference (and relative success or failure in getting a good AF lock), not some resolution advantage of 42 vs. 36MP. The question is whether that is worth the grief of switching systems. Again, if shooting action, video, esp. 4k, I'd say the grief/cost will likely be worth it. If shooting landscapes and portraits in the studio, I would bet it's likely not worth it.

And we still haven't seen any testing of the AF system in action - I'm really curious if they were able to improve both tracking and the previous cumbersome 'parametric' approach to AF settings. . . would love to see a more 'case' approach to AF settings, something which their '4D' PDF document unpacked better for all of us. But the parametrics were troublingly counter-intuitive, esp. the 'duration' setting - something that even the DPR review bungled badly (despite their claiming to have consulted the 4D PDF).

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The a99ii hasn't even hit the shelves yet and someone is already concerned about its sucessor! Good luck with that, some people are impossible to please.
 
Personally I'd just buy the A99III, and 16-35 SSM III, 24-70 SSM III! and 70-200 SSM III when they launch. I own the A7RII and it's not a substitute for a DSLR.
 
Personally I'd just buy the A99III, and 16-35 SSM III, 24-70 SSM III! and 70-200 SSM III when they launch. I own the A7RII and it's not a substitute for a DSLR.
That would be a long wait, 4 years at least.
 
I really don't think you have anything to worry about...I have a bag full of Sony A mount Lenses, there are many A mount lenses available from both Sony, Sigma, Tamron, as well as used Minolta AF ones. They were some of the best made. Many folks said the A mount was dead and Sony would not produce another camera, now that the A99II is out, i think that idea can be put too rest for the foreseeable future anyhow. You have ordered a great camera, don't let a perceived lens situation keep you from it.

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Cameras are not investments.
Not a typical investment.

Let's say...

One year ago a7RII purchased new for $3200. I sell last month for $3400 because Sony factory problems create shortage. That camera purchase earned me $200 with free usage.

But if I sell next month, after production is back on track, I'll only get $2400 because supply is abundant. That camera cost me $800 to use for that year. Under $70 per month.

Or purchase AMount 600mm f4 for $2500 eight years ago. Sell today for $4000. The lens was free to use and earns interest.

It's not the gold trade market. But at a certain level, you can basically get new gear for practically free.
 
Ha,

Never seems to work that way for me. - Buy A55 for however much it was. try to sell it and buy a77. Local fellow reads my ad, offers me $50 and a weed whacker. Sadly decline as I already have a weed whacker... Buy 77 anyway, maybe I can get a lawnmower for it when I'm done.

Never tried to sell a lens though.
 

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