The best thing to do with a lack of new sensor technology?

[rsmithgi]

And yet the perceivable difference in Four Thirds sensors between now and 2012 is exactly zero.

And the EXACT SAME THING IS TRUE OF APS-C SENSORS. Why is this so hard for you to acknowledge?

Additionally, your criticisms of Olympus charging $2000 for bells and whistle applies equally to Nikon and the D500.

It comes back to you making the wrong choice. If you want maximum pixel peeping capability and care little about other factors, then you should have chosen a larger format.

Except its not and DXO is extremely good at painting a distorted reality and if you actually went out there and saw what the differences were you might actually open up your eyes for a matter of seconds, if only fleetingly to see what the real difference is.

Okay, sure......DxO is biased. Imaging Resource is biased. Only you can see the difference.....

 

[brianric]

And yet the perceivable difference in Four Thirds sensors between now and 2012 is exactly zero.

And the EXACT SAME THING IS TRUE OF APS-C SENSORS. Why is this so hard for you to acknowledge?

Additionally, your criticisms of Olympus charging $2000 for bells and whistle applies equally to Nikon and the D500.

It comes back to you making the wrong choice. If you want maximum pixel peeping capability and care little about other factors, then you should have chosen a larger format.

Except its not and DXO is extremely good at painting a distorted reality and if you actually went out there and saw what the differences were you might actually open up your eyes for a matter of seconds, if only fleetingly to see what the real difference is.

Okay, sure......DxO is biased. Imaging Resource is biased. Only you can see the difference.....

That's because Hip is clairvoyant. :-D

 

[bryanbrun]

And yet the perceivable difference in Four Thirds sensors between now and 2012 is exactly zero. I have one camera from each end of the spectrum and aside from more megapixels we have practically the same performance for all intents and purposes.

Donald, the dpreview comparison tool clearly shows differences in four thirds sensors between now and 2012. The sensors have improved. These differences are real world facts. Not your imagination.

Quit with your fake news already.

 

[453C]

Sensors have not gone anywhere near their true capabilities and I am sure that you are a revisionist and that as soon as we get a new and better sensor you will quickly revise your position about the next sensor improvement. The problem with forums is that they are inhabited with a sea of revisionists who state this will be the greatest things since... WELL EVER DERRR! until its not...

This is the nature of forums.

Why have you ignored my earlier posts comparing the relative increases in DxO scores for Olympus MFT and Nikon APS-C sensors over the same time period? The biggest flaw in your argument is the factually incorrect statement about MFT falling farther behind.

No your bending statistics to suit your argument as like most people who want to persevere with a my system is better derr argument. Now grab a Sony RX100V and compare it to an OM-D https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Com...-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5-Mark-II___1033_1006

You can't choose the argument that suits yourself. It's a funny way of showing how the gap has narrowed. It's actually gotten bigger particularly against Sony.

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Com...A6000-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M1___1072_942_909

Way to avoid the question.....

From 2012 to 2016, the best APS-C sensors changed from DxO scores of 84 to 87. In the same time period, the best MFT sensors improved from 71 to 74. I ask again, how is that falling farther behind? And, where is the big jump in APS-C sensor improvements?

You also failed to address the $2000 APS-C camera that is nothing but bells and whistles.

The person losing the argument usually resorts to simply ignoring what doesn't fit their narrative.

I addressed the question you can selectively cherry pick the statistics that suit your argument that's called confirmation bias. In the real world and in seeing what these cameras can do as well as in statistics every time I look at a new APS-C and Full Frame camera I see what they can do and what we're not doing and the difference is night and day.

Cherry pick? I searched the DxO database for ALL cameras from Nikon, Sony, and Olympus with APS-C or MFT sensors and picked the scores from the best performers in 2012 and 2016.

YOU claimed that the APS-C sensors were continuing to advance and the MFT sensors stalled at 2012 level, resulting in a widening gap. You then attributed that gap to varying degrees of incompetence and deceit by Olympus. I merely showed that your original premise is demonstrably false and your assignment of motives is bogus.

What "falling behind"?! Isn't it time we called a Veruca Salt on this?

I want a new sensor

All right, sweetheart, all right, we'll get you a sensor

I don't want any sensor, I want a new one!

But sweetheart, you just got a new sensor last year.

That's not good enough! I want a new sensor NOW!

OK sweetheart, we'll get you one.

I want a new sensor, the BEST sensor, and I Want It Now!

Sounds familiar.

If it hasn't become clear yet, the HipHopster is unconcerned with anything presented to him. He's right, and you're wrong. Deal with it. Anything after that is a waste of time.

Just plonk him on your Ignore list and move on, because he never will. He has no desire to discuss anything; he knows all. Life is too short to waste any of it on intractable people that are unable to acknowledge any opinion that didn't originate with them.

 

[rsmithgi]

Sensors have not gone anywhere near their true capabilities and I am sure that you are a revisionist and that as soon as we get a new and better sensor you will quickly revise your position about the next sensor improvement. The problem with forums is that they are inhabited with a sea of revisionists who state this will be the greatest things since... WELL EVER DERRR! until its not...

This is the nature of forums.

Why have you ignored my earlier posts comparing the relative increases in DxO scores for Olympus MFT and Nikon APS-C sensors over the same time period? The biggest flaw in your argument is the factually incorrect statement about MFT falling farther behind.

No your bending statistics to suit your argument as like most people who want to persevere with a my system is better derr argument. Now grab a Sony RX100V and compare it to an OM-D https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Com...-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5-Mark-II___1033_1006

You can't choose the argument that suits yourself. It's a funny way of showing how the gap has narrowed. It's actually gotten bigger particularly against Sony.

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Com...A6000-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M1___1072_942_909

Way to avoid the question.....

From 2012 to 2016, the best APS-C sensors changed from DxO scores of 84 to 87. In the same time period, the best MFT sensors improved from 71 to 74. I ask again, how is that falling farther behind? And, where is the big jump in APS-C sensor improvements?

You also failed to address the $2000 APS-C camera that is nothing but bells and whistles.

The person losing the argument usually resorts to simply ignoring what doesn't fit their narrative.

I addressed the question you can selectively cherry pick the statistics that suit your argument that's called confirmation bias. In the real world and in seeing what these cameras can do as well as in statistics every time I look at a new APS-C and Full Frame camera I see what they can do and what we're not doing and the difference is night and day.

Cherry pick? I searched the DxO database for ALL cameras from Nikon, Sony, and Olympus with APS-C or MFT sensors and picked the scores from the best performers in 2012 and 2016.

YOU claimed that the APS-C sensors were continuing to advance and the MFT sensors stalled at 2012 level, resulting in a widening gap. You then attributed that gap to varying degrees of incompetence and deceit by Olympus. I merely showed that your original premise is demonstrably false and your assignment of motives is bogus.

What "falling behind"?! Isn't it time we called a Veruca Salt on this?

I want a new sensor

All right, sweetheart, all right, we'll get you a sensor

I don't want any sensor, I want a new one!

But sweetheart, you just got a new sensor last year.

That's not good enough! I want a new sensor NOW!

OK sweetheart, we'll get you one.

I want a new sensor, the BEST sensor, and I Want It Now!

Sounds familiar.

If it hasn't become clear yet, the HipHopster is unconcerned with anything presented to him. He's right, and you're wrong. Deal with it. Anything after that is a waste of time.

Just plonk him on your Ignore list and move on, because he never will. He has no desire to discuss anything; he knows all. Life is too short to waste any of it on intractable people that are unable to acknowledge any opinion that didn't originate with them.

Good advice.

I'm not familiar with how the ignore feature works on this forum. Other forums that I have used, unfortunately include the posts by the ignored poster when viewing posts by others. So, they never really go away.

 

[Jorginho]

May be you should ask there what a lack of devopping sensortech means to them....