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Hi, I'm currently in the process of learning portrait photography, hopefully towards taking actors headshots in the future.

After some research and lots of help here on the forum (thank you!) I've decided to purchase a Godox DP600iiiv and a Godox MS300v. I already have a Godox TT600 speedlight with an umbrella, which I've been using to help learn flash with the help of the Strobist blog.

I'm going to use the DP as the main light and experiment with using the MS as a fill, hair light, background or kicker light. I'll have the TT600 to add into the mix as well.

I now need to work out what modifiers to get. I'm thinking of a big soft box for the main light but there's a bewildering amount of options...

I've seen that there are parabolic soft boxes that come with diffusers and grids so you can use them in a few different ways. I've seen ones from Godox, Neewer and Smallrig. Do you think one or two of those would be a good option? Or maybe one of those for the main and a strip box for fill or hair light? I'm also unsure which size would be most appropriate for headshots?

As I'm ultimately hoping to use these for actors headshots I want light that's soft and flattering but not like a beauty portrait, the shots need to honestly represent the subject... at the same time I don't want very hard dramatic light that could be a little too phorensic!

Ideally the shots would look like they've been taken in golden hour but I imagine that's often what people are aiming for so apologies if that's a no brainer!!

Thanks in advance for any help.

Jon
 
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Hi, I'm currently in the process of learning portrait photography, hopefully towards taking actors headshots in the future.

After some research and lots of help here on the forum (thank you!) I've decided to purchase a Godox DP600iiiv and a Godox MS300v. I already have a Godox TT600 speedlight with an umbrella, which I've been using to help learn flash with the help of the Strobist blog.

I'm going to use the DP as the main light and experiment with using the MS as a fill, hair light, background or kicker light. I'll have the TT600 to add into the mix as well.

I now need to work out what modifiers to get. I'm thinking of a big soft box for the main light but there's a bewildering amount of options...

I've seen that there are parabolic soft boxes that come with diffusers and grids so you can use them in a few different ways. I've seen ones from Godox, Neewer and Smallrig. Do you think one or two of those would be a good option? Or maybe one of those for the main and a strip box for fill or hair light? I'm also unsure which size would be most appropriate for headshots?

As I'm ultimately hoping to use these for actors headshots I want light that's soft and flattering but not like a beauty portrait, the shots need to honestly represent the subject... at the same time I don't want very hard dramatic light that could be a little too phorensic!

Ideally the shots would look like they've been taken in golden hour but I imagine that's often what people are aiming for so apologies if that's a no brainer!!
Let's start with Godox. They still sell their old softboxes i.e. these. Avoid them. They are difficult to put up and generally of poor quality. There later Bowens mount softboxes are far better but are more targeted are video rather then still photographers (there are exceptions).

Smallrig is making kit for video, Neewer doesn't make anything and resells stuff from many manufacturers (including Godox). Quality is variable: Do you feel lucky, punk?

The softbox for your key light will generally be circular(ish) or rectangular(ish). It doesn't want to be too deep or large. I imagine your home studio is quite small and the ceiling is low. Choose a shape which gives you the catch lights which you find most pleasing.

I have several strip softboxes which I mostly use for a fill light and to light the background. They are 13X140cm.

The softbox I use for my key light is generally an 65cm "Octa" (actually it's 16 sided) but sometimes I use a Godox BDR-S55 beauty dish with a shower cap.

My softboxes are umbrella easy open style boxes. See what you local camera store has on offer. Here in the UK they have decent quality no name Chinese boxes which they've had branded with their name.

I've recently tried to rationalize my softbox collection which had got out of hand. I've kind of standardised on Phottix softboxes because they have a decent range and better than average build quality at a reasonable price. YMMV, od course.

All your softboxes should come with a grid or, at the very least, have a grid available for them.
 
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You have some solid advice from Tug. I can think of three questions to ask yourself:

- Will this be a more or less permanent setup, or will you need to set up and tear down for each session? If the latter you need something easy and quick to set up, probably an umbrella type box. If you're leaving it set up you can think about the ring and pole type boxes, which gives you more options.

- How large is your space and how high is the ceiling? Some of the parabolics are quite deep and need a lot of space. Some umbrella setups, like the Photek Softlighter, are relatively flat and can work in a tight space. If you have a low ceiling you may want to look at smaller modifiers such as a beauty dish.

- Do you want round or rectangular catch lights in your subjects' eyes? I've seen passionate arguments on either side, so it's really just your choice.

Brands and styles come and go so quickly these days it's hard to make specific recommendations. I like the Softlighters, Phottix is a good brand. For headshots you're probably working with the light in close, so you don't really need a large box -- 3 foot is probably enough, 4 foot might be overkill. Probably good to have a grid available - I never use them, but some people can't live without them, so you'll have to figure what works for you.

Don't spend so much you get locked in, you'll probably want to try several types over the next year or so. But don't cheap out and get stuck with junk, either. You'll probably want at least one softbox and one beauty dish in your repertoire, maybe more.

Finally a side note: I hope you're working on your marketing and market research. Seems like every other photographer I talk to these days is trying to get started in headshots. Just in the small city of Amarillo I've talked in person to three in the last month or so, and seen maybe twice that many advertising on social media. If your area is like that you're going to need a solid product and solid marketing to make a go of it.

Good luck.

Gato
 
Hi, I'm currently in the process of learning portrait photography, hopefully towards taking actors headshots in the future.

After some research and lots of help here on the forum (thank you!) I've decided to purchase a Godox DP600iiiv and a Godox MS300v. I already have a Godox TT600 speedlight with an umbrella, which I've been using to help learn flash with the help of the Strobist blog.

I'm going to use the DP as the main light and experiment with using the MS as a fill, hair light, background or kicker light. I'll have the TT600 to add into the mix as well.

I now need to work out what modifiers to get. I'm thinking of a big soft box for the main light but there's a bewildering amount of options...

I've seen that there are parabolic soft boxes that come with diffusers and grids so you can use them in a few different ways. I've seen ones from Godox, Neewer and Smallrig. Do you think one or two of those would be a good option? Or maybe one of those for the main and a strip box for fill or hair light? I'm also unsure which size would be most appropriate for headshots?

As I'm ultimately hoping to use these for actors headshots I want light that's soft and flattering but not like a beauty portrait, the shots need to honestly represent the subject... at the same time I don't want very hard dramatic light that could be a little too phorensic!

Ideally the shots would look like they've been taken in golden hour but I imagine that's often what people are aiming for so apologies if that's a no brainer!!

Thanks in advance for any help.

Jon
Hey Jon!

You are correct in pointing out that there are enough softboxes on the market to wrap around the Earth and diffuse the Sun- excuse the hyperbole but it can drive someone who is trying to create a particular setup, NUTS! Everybody has their favorites, there is every size, shape configuration, standard, hybrid and physical construction. Separating the advertising claims and hype for reality can be mind-boggling. At the end of the day, all a softbox is, when you boil it down, is an enclosure with a interior reflective surcae (a soft reflector) with a convenient mechanism to support a scrim for a bit more diffusion. It converts a small source such as a monolight or standard lamphead into a significantly larger one. The larger the light source is, compared tothe size of the subject, the softer the lightg effect will be. Theoretically, you could make a softbox out of a cardboard box with a frosted plastic shower curtain or a worn-out section of a discarded bedsheet- but it would be awkward to employ.

Here's my point- You can buy any decent softbox or hybrid modifier of the highest quality and it won't necessarily produce the effect you are after. You can attach it to your lights but it will not magically produce the results. It's all in the technique and that goes beyond the lighting. There are sophisticated focusable Parabolic/Softbox hybrids but those also require their own set of techniques.

I have emphasized the italicized paragraph of your question because of the effect you are aspiring to is not strictly modifier-based. The aspects of softness and hardness, realism and fantasy, flattering the subject area all valid points. I know "headshots" are the current and accepted term but I prefer " theatrical portraiture" which I have been offering for many decades. I find that different agencies, theatrical production companies, casting agencies and directors, modeling agencies, and of course, the actors themself may have differet requirements and guidelines. I have had requests for everything from "raock hard- show all the warts" kinda character actor studies to total fuzz and everything in between. Much of these effects can be produced with one or two simple modofires on the main light and the aplication of numerous techniques.

If your basic goal is flattery yet realistic, besides and including the important lighting applications, you need to consider facial analysis wich involves camera position, viewof the face, and lens choice.

Some folks think of theatrical photography as fake, fuzzy, "Vasoline on the lens" and overly retouched. Even the "Old Hollywood" master didn't do that. It's the best camera angle and great lighting!

Facial analysis has to happen quickly. It is a matterof emphasizing the best facial features de-emphasizing the unflattering or any undesirable aspects and avoiding distortions. Distortion does not ONLY result from workg too close with a shot focal length lens. It can occur due to a bad camera position that shows half an ear, lengthens, and nose because it intersects with the upper lip, excessively widens or narrows a face, emphasizes a sagging jaw or neckline, or a receedig hairline. Too high a main light darkens the eye sockets and makes the subject look tired. Catchlights are important but they should math the light source. A large softbos is not going to produce pinpoint catchlights. The only catchlights I find distracting or objectionable are the types that look like donuts (from ring lights) or the ones that show up in the dead center of the pupil- it creates a kind of manic gaze. the list goes on! As for realism- will it be a full face, 2/3? profile? Eye contact? Lighting issues combined with camera position pose are broad or shot lighting, clamshell, butterfly, loop, Rembrandt, Split? Skin texture is somewhat governed by feathering. Contrast is a function of the lighting ratio.

Sadly, so many of the online courses and tutorials are equipment-based, and very little is discussed AESTHETICS where soft and hard are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg!

I wish I could recommend my favorite brand or model of a softbox. I am at a disadvantage because the one I use mostly at my studio is old- I have no recollection of where it came from, the label fell off and I don't know who made it. It is about 24 inches square and it is hooked up to a monolight. I use it for "headshots" and 3/4 lenght portraits and I have some bigger ones for groups and full-length shots. I have umbrellas, beauty dishes, and all kinds of metal reflectors. If however, I have to shoot the entire cast of a play, 30 headshots for an agency, or a bunch of new kids for a modeling or theater school, all in a limited time frame, the old nameless softbox does the trick.

If you do not have a studio or frequently have to work on location and need to set up and break down, hurriedly at times, the build and mechanisms of softboxes and foldable modifiers have to be considered. You will pay more for better quality construction and more durable materials.

If you have a permanent setup, I have included a BASIC lighting diagram based on waht I have in daily use. It is set up so I can work quickly and accurately and concentrate on the aesthetics and capturing natural expressions. The main light is completely mobile and moves quickly to any on or off-camera/subject axis. The (fixed) fill lights a large softbox at zero degrees behind the camera. The kicker is also mobile and comes in form anywhere from 90 to 135 degrees on the same side where the main light is placed. The highlight is on a boom and also coming in the same direction as the main. Righ or the left- the accet lig follows the ad for a unified direction of light. For a special kind of "stage lightig effect," I may use a double kicker- both sides. The background light can be a small unit aimed at th background e or a bare bulb. Or a small unt aired, from behind the subject's head, at the hair. Basic exposure is for the main light, Contrast/rate is controlled by the power settings on the fill unit. The accent lights all come in at a steeper angle of incidence and they may appear brighter to avoid burned-out highlights you may need to reduce them, defuse them more, or feather them accordingly.

Golden hour? I like it! Well, it may pertain to out-of-doors natural light in the late afternoon before sunset when the light is extremely directional and warm. The "magic hour" is just after sunset before the sky goes black and the skyscape is kinda of azure blue, especially yo white baleis set for warm street or tungsten lighting. If you want warm skin tones you can adjust the white balance, filter your lights, or use a "gold" umbrella.

Well. are we having fun yet? Don't become confused. upset or frustrated. Setting up is like a vacation trip. It's expensive and half the fun is getting there!

I hope this helps.



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Ed Shapiro- Commercial and Portrait Photographer. Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Hi, I'm currently in the process of learning portrait photography, hopefully towards taking actors headshots in the future.
Let me try to stop you right there.

Keep your lighting as simple as possible for actors' headshots. Casting directors want to see the actor's face and maybe something of how the person will come across through the camera. One of your jobs as a headshot photographer is to keep the actor looking fresh. Unless you are good at directing and keeping people at ease during their performance, you will lose that fresh feeling as you adjust your lighting to get that perfect light.

Don't go beyond one light until you are comfortable using one light. It's not about "mastering the one-light portrait." It's about mastering the art of making someone feel comfortable while performing an unnatural act and posing for a portrait, which is a very unnatural act.

If you don't want to believe me, talk with some casting agents before you start on your actor's headshot venture.
 
Thanks so much for your help again, I'm actually in the UK as well.

I've mostly been looking on the Big River website but there's a local store where I've just moved to so I'll check out what hey have in there as well. Would prefer to use them anyway.

Thanks again, all super useful and very appreciated.

Jon
 
Ed, thanks so much for this, it's really helpful and very appreciated.

I'm hoping to work in a home studio with a constant set up. I call them headshots but they will mostly be more head and shoulder shots, looking into camera. I've been practising and familiarising myself with the different styles and Imagine I'll mostly use butterfly or split (well almost split, I'm not sure what you call it but like you have in your diagram!) with a reflector (or fill if really needed) but I really need to practise more and find out.

I'd been thinking a lot about aesthetics and how best to shoot different faces so it's great to hear you mention it, this is definitely something I need to research more and I'm hoping to start practising on some friends soon (and give my poor wife and kids a break) to get some hands on experince.

One of the things I'm really happy about is that I pretty much understood everything in your post, a monthe ago I would have had to do a lot of Googling so at least I'm learning the theory if nothing else!

Thanks again,

Jon
 
Hey, thanks for this, it's really useful advice and very appreciated.

I'm hoping to have a permanent set up and I have quite high ceilings (about 10 feet) but that's a very good point, some of this equipment is very large so I'll keep that in mind.

Re marketing I'm very much at the start of my journey, I don't expect to just be able to take great shots out of the gate, let alone charge for them! I'm going to learn and practise as much as I can over the next year or so and then I'll go from there.

Thanks again for all your help.

Jon
 
Hey Ellis, thanks so much for getting back.

I couldn't agree more, I'd see one of the main parts of the job as relaxing and putting my subject at ease so I can get the most natural and representative shots.

I'm an actor of coming up to 30 years so I've had lots of headshots taken, and as someone who really doesn't enjoy having them done I very much empaphise with how important it is...

I've also worked a lot with casting directors, helping audition actors and my wife often takes castings as well so I have a pretty decent understanding of what the industry wants.

The majority of headshots I've had taken were natural light, and that would be my ideal but I'd like to learn flash as well so I have options.

I'm totally into starting with one light and a reflector for the subject but I like the effect of a lit backdrop so I'm thinking I'll experiment with that as well.

I'm sure I'll play with fill, hair lighting, etc in the future but for now I'm dedfinitely focused on mastering one light as much as I can.

Thanks again, really appreciated

Jon
 
I have to agree, it's almost entirely in the technique, not the modifier brand, nevertheless, I want to be buried with my Larson 4x6 - there's a reason every top portrait pro wanted one, and I have to agree. Maybe it's the fact that they are so shallow in terms of depth and easy to move around, but I swear they are much easier to feather properly than all of the others - and I've owned a couple of different ones. There's also a reason why they cost what they do when they pop up on eBay in good shape like this one; they still cost a bundle as old as they are; the trick is finding the right ring type for them. They just don't make them anymore - literally.

The other thing I don't want to live without with my studio lights is my CyberCommander. I bought a second one for fear they might become extinct (the Hub doesn't look anything like a substitute), but that's another story. I'm surprised the latest studio units from makers such as Godox and others haven't yet done something similar with incident metering and automatic power adjustment - could it be that difficult to implement?

Mike
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The one thing everyone can agree on is that film photography has its negatives. It even has its positives and internegatives.
 
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