Nikon's response to A1...

[SaltyPeanut]

More importantly, how will Nikon respond to a 5000$ 100MP Medium Format camera from Fuji tomorrow?
For landscape shooters, that pretty much nails it for all other camera brands. Why shoot anything else when you can get 100MP Medium Format at 5000$?

Nikon is not in the medium format market. Apples and oranges.

Aside from high res sensors in full frame, Nikon does need to release a high res pixel shift feature. Anyone know why they haven't done this yet? Is it a patent issue of some sort?

 

[Batdude]

I don't think they need any response to A1.

I agree. I think this A1 is responding to a camera that doesn't exist. In other words Sony (is) the leader and this is simply a statement to everybody out there saying "we don't care because we have the power to do whatever we want".

A1 is way too expensive. What Nikon needs is an answer to R5. A 3500-4000$ camera which does high fps with better AF and less blackout. It doesn't even need 8K video, which is a pure gimmick for stills shooters. You cannot even watch an 8K video at home. Who has an 8K monitor or plans to buy one soon? Apple's highest resolution monitor is 6K at 6000$.
It doesn't even need more MP. 45MP is plenty but if they want higher MP, so be it.

So give me a 45MP 20 fps almost blackout free Z8 with slightly better AF at 3500$ and I'm done. I wouldn't think about upgrading that for 4 years at least.

20 fps vs 30 fps, no thanks. I already have too many photos at 9 fps of Z7. Can't even think about 30 fps. Each extra frame has much less effect once you get high enough.

 

[Droster]

https://nikonrumors.com/2020/10/23/...ferent-new-pro-cameras-are-being-tested.aspx/

We've already an inkling as far back as October last year to what to expect and the a1 does add weight to the rumours of a high MP flagship camera from Nikon. The rumours line up.

So I'm guessing the Z8/Z9 may very well sport the same sensor. Chances are so will form factor as the Z6/Z7 with optional grip and updated innards like better EVF.

 

[Rico Schiekel]

The A1 is Sonys Z 58mm f/0.95 S Noct. Few will need it, few can afford it, few will actually own it. Still it's a milestone in tech on paper which is great.

Nothing to sell my Z glass for but nice to see all those great cameras released in the last months. Competition is good!

I'm still a happy camper with my first gen Z7. It takes pictures, and sometimes even quite okay ones when I don't f**k up.

 

[Tailslol]

More importantly, how will Nikon respond to a 5000$ 100MP Medium Format camera from Fuji tomorrow?
For landscape shooters, that pretty much nails it for all other camera brands. Why shoot anything else when you can get 100MP Medium Format at 5000$?

Nikon is not in the medium format market. Apples and oranges.

Aside from high res sensors in full frame, Nikon does need to release a high res pixel shift feature. Anyone know why they haven't done this yet? Is it a patent issue of some sort?

Yeah but Medium Format is about to come into the FF territory, price wise.

A 50MP GFX50s didn't give too big of an IQ increase over 47MP Z7, but a 100MP one does.

I think all camera makers need to be watching out for Fuji medium format.

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

High res can always be downsized for higher quality. Pan and scan is also useful for oversized formats.

I up voted you not because I don't believe in the benefits of 8K, but b/c I think I agree that Nikon does not really need to go there today.

That being said, so many potential customers are biased by the spec wars and marketing fluff (Canon marketing recently admitted the 8K in the R5 was exactly that), and they can't really seem to pick the best tool for themselves.

 

[Leonard Shepherd]

kenw wrote

The rumor sites with the leaked press release say it is $6000 actually.

In the UK it seems to be £6499 - including 20% sales tax.

This is the same price as a D6 - so a very narrow target market.

I have not looked at whether it takes CF type A or type B cards.

 

[Dan DeLion]

I've just seen the announcement video about Sony Alpha 1 and I am wondering what is gonna be Nikon's response.

A1 provides all bells and whistles like 8K, 4K/120p, 30fps x 50MB, ZERO blackout, 120 exposure (and focus?) calculations per sec. 1/400 electronic flash sync and a lot more!

It comes with a completely redesigned touch screen menu.

To me, it is really VERY IMPRESSIVE.

Not that I am selling my Z stuff but I just wonder how Nikon can respond to this?

For me it is too much but I will be waiting for lower shelf next-generation bodies with similar power ;-)

It is all very nice to have seldom used gadgets (bells and whistles), but, what about:

weather sealing

menus

build quality

over sharpening

color space

ergonomics

lens' quality, weight and price?

Sony is stuck with an out of date mount, so they stress "bells and whistles."

Stay safe - Dan

 

[BasilG]

Those recent (but not extremely recent) rumours about a new Nikon Z-something that offers high frame rate at high resolutions suddenly sound much more believable.

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

kenw wrote

The rumor sites with the leaked press release say it is $6000 actually.

In the UK it seems to be £6499 - including 20% sales tax.

This is the same price as a D6 - so a very narrow target market.

I have not looked at whether it takes CF type A or type B cards.

Dual Slot: CFexpress Type A / SD according to BH.

 

[J-Z]

This A1 camera is a very good camera with a lot of high tec, but as a hobbyist, I don't want to pay $6500 for a camera.

It's good to see a few days ago Nikon acknowledged that they have fallen behind in mirrorless. Hopefully they'll change their marketing strategy in the future. They need to learn from Sony and Canon's aggressive marketing.

 

[WhateverNickname]

It is amazing and priced accordingly,
‘should Nikon care, not really sure about it. I can buy almost 4 z6ii for that price.

 

[Droster]

I don't think they need any response to A1.

A1 is way too expensive. What Nikon needs is an answer to R5. A 3500-4000$ camera which does high fps with better AF and less blackout. It doesn't even need 8K video, which is a pure gimmick for stills shooters. You cannot even watch an 8K video at home. Who has an 8K monitor or plans to buy one soon? Apple's highest resolution monitor is 6K at 6000$.
It doesn't even need more MP. 45MP is plenty but if they want higher MP, so be it.

So give me a 45MP 20 fps almost blackout free Z8 with slightly better AF at 3500$ and I'm done. I wouldn't think about upgrading that for 4 years at least.

20 fps vs 30 fps, no thanks. I already have too many photos at 9 fps of Z7. Can't even think about 30 fps. Each extra frame has much less effect once you get high enough.

Sony had three years of the a9 and mark ii sitting at the $4,500 price point and it's only logical they move up the next camera to the $6,500 price point to go against the D6 and 1Dxiii.

Nikon could release $4,500 24MP and $6,500 50MP variants of the same body or just skip the $4,500 camera entirely and straight up go for the $6,500 body.

Whether it's a response to the R5 or a1 it's a moot point. They need a sport and PJ camera, a successor to the $6,500 D6.

 

[Leonard Shepherd]

I have not looked at whether it takes CF type A or type B cards.

Dual Slot: CFexpress Type A / SD according to BH.

Type A is only available from Sony at WEX in the UK - with 800MB/s - maximum size 160GB

Type B with 1750MB/s are available from several manufacturers at much lower (though still not inexpensive) prices and with much greater capacity - likely to be essential for high resolution video.

 

[SaltyPeanut]

More importantly, how will Nikon respond to a 5000$ 100MP Medium Format camera from Fuji tomorrow?
For landscape shooters, that pretty much nails it for all other camera brands. Why shoot anything else when you can get 100MP Medium Format at 5000$?

Nikon is not in the medium format market. Apples and oranges.

Aside from high res sensors in full frame, Nikon does need to release a high res pixel shift feature. Anyone know why they haven't done this yet? Is it a patent issue of some sort?

Yeah but Medium Format is about to come into the FF territory, price wise.
A 50MP GFX50s didn't give too big of an IQ increase over 47MP Z7, but a 100MP one does.
I think all camera makers need to be watching out for Fuji medium format.

Medium format bodies are not the main stream bodies for things like retail portraits, family sessions, weddings, etc. They are big, heavy and typically do not feature fast AF-C systems (mirrorless has helped with size). Plus file sizes slow your pp considerably. Cost of lenses not to be ignored either. They are typically tools better reserved for studio work and high end jobs, e.g. fashion/beauty/product.

Full frame is the one who has reached a sweet spot lately, encompassing offerings within reach for the avid consumer / hobbyist (up from crop sensors), as well as the professional photog involved in retail and commercial work. If anything, it's the medium format guys who need to watch out. They need to push the envelope on their end because full frame is knocking at their door. Naturally, sensor size advantage is something that cannot be changed, but full frame has narrowed several gaps in recent years, such as resolution and DR.

Like I said, apples and oranges.

 

[spec68]

A1 is pricey but bleeding edge tech always is. It’s not intended as a consumer camera, it will be bought by corporate money, directly or indirectly. It’s also not intended to make Sony a bundle of cash. It’s purpose is to ramp up the race to be viewed as the mirrorless tech leader and “official” choice of pros. And in that regard Nikon must make a move soon. Nikon needs some innovation news that moves jaws open. Hopefully that comes before or during CP+.

 

[Ninpou_Bunshinnojutsu]

I have not looked at whether it takes CF type A or type B cards.

Dual Slot: CFexpress Type A / SD according to BH.

Type A is only available from Sony at WEX in the UK - with 800MB/s - maximum size 160GB

Type B with 1750MB/s are available from several manufacturers at much lower (though still not inexpensive) prices and with much greater capacity - likely to be essential for high resolution video.

Highest internal bitrate is only ~600Mbit/s apparently

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1619483-REG/sony_ilce_1_b_alpha_a1_mirrorless_digital.html/specs

 

[Tailslol]

More importantly, how will Nikon respond to a 5000$ 100MP Medium Format camera from Fuji tomorrow?
For landscape shooters, that pretty much nails it for all other camera brands. Why shoot anything else when you can get 100MP Medium Format at 5000$?

Nikon is not in the medium format market. Apples and oranges.

Aside from high res sensors in full frame, Nikon does need to release a high res pixel shift feature. Anyone know why they haven't done this yet? Is it a patent issue of some sort?

Yeah but Medium Format is about to come into the FF territory, price wise.
A 50MP GFX50s didn't give too big of an IQ increase over 47MP Z7, but a 100MP one does.
I think all camera makers need to be watching out for Fuji medium format.

Medium format bodies are not the main stream bodies for things like retail portraits, family sessions, weddings, etc. They are big, heavy and typically do not feature fast AF-C systems (mirrorless has helped with size). Plus file sizes slow your pp considerably. Cost of lenses not to be ignored either. They are typically tools better reserved for studio work and high end jobs, e.g. fashion/beauty/product.

Full frame is the one who has reached a sweet spot lately, encompassing offerings within reach for the avid consumer / hobbyist (up from crop sensors), as well as the professional photog involved in retail and commercial work. If anything, it's the medium format guys who need to watch out. They need to push the envelope on their end because full frame is knocking at their door. Naturally, sensor size advantage is something that cannot be changed, but full frame has narrowed several gaps in recent years, such as resolution and DR.

Like I said, apples and oranges.

I said for landscape shooters. Not for anything else, maybe studio as well. But if I was primarily shooting landscape and was looking for a FF, I'd look into a 100MP MF as well.

 

[bomarstiim]

Nikon needs some innovation news that moves jaws open.

I'd say this is what I'm waiting as well. Nikon has to prove they can do it. I'm actually still waiting for a top end Z camera (been waiting for quite a while now) and new Z7 is not cutting it.

 

[Tailslol]

A1 is pricey but bleeding edge tech always is. It’s not intended as a consumer camera, it will be bought by corporate money, directly or indirectly. It’s also not intended to make Sony a bundle of cash. It’s purpose is to ramp up the race to be viewed as the mirrorless tech leader and “official” choice of pros. And in that regard Nikon must make a move soon. Nikon needs some innovation news that moves jaws open. Hopefully that comes before or during CP+.

I really don't know why A1 suddenly is a threat for Nikon. R5 and R6 was that threat, and still is. That's the price territory Nikon needs a better contender at, not 6500$.

6500$ cameras don't sell that much. But if Nikon had an R5 rival at 3500$ that would make Nikon lots of money.

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