Missing feature 1DX/D4

[Grevture]

People are taking showers with the Olympus E-5 while filming, I washed my E-5 and 12-60mm lens under water jet in my sink.

So this is rubbish, articulated screen is a missing feature. After using only cameras with articulated screens in the past 2 years, I find it an essential feature.

The point of durability it is not rubbish, things with hinges are less durable then integrated things. Simple fact.

I have encountered so many situations where articulated screen is priceless.

Here's a photo that could not be taken without the E-620 articulated screen, the camera was almost toching the ground

And you keep ignoring the fact that while a built in articulated screen sure is a cheap and conveniant way to get there, a separate bigger and more advanced screen attached using HDMI cable is a better and more flexible solution. And not particularily expensive either.

The 1DX and the D4 are pro cameras, for which you use pro grade solutions. Canon and Nikon do have integrated articulated screens too, but where it makes sense, in consumer cameras like 60D/600D and D5100

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[24Peter]

I'm a big fan of articulating LCD's (my 60D's is very, very useful) and I often miss it on my 5DII (esp. when shooting video). I tried the external Marshall 7" LCD on both cameras and while helpful, it is not a perfect solution and there are many times a built-in swivel screen would be a better choice. I am surpised both Canon and Nikon passed over adding a swivel screen to the 1Dx & D4, but assume they had a good reason. I'm not sure about the weather sealing argument, but do see how it could subtract from the overall durability of the body. The articulating screen also does end up taking more real estate on the back of the camera requiring buttons to be moved around/condensed. That said, I would be disappointed if the 5DIII doesn't have one. In fact, I'll go a step further and say I hope they go for a really good 4" OLED-type swivel display with focus peaking. That will help make it a killer video & still camera IMO.
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[d3xmeister]

The point of durability it is not rubbish, things with hinges are less durable then integrated things. Simple fact.

Wrong, proved by Olympus. E-3 had slight problems with the LCD, but theye were fixed, and E-5 is rock solid Also see Nikon and Canon forums and how many pro cameras died from rain. How many Olympus cameras died in rain ? Talking about facts, right ?

And you keep ignoring the fact that while a built in articulated screen sure is a cheap and conveniant way to get there, a separate bigger and more advanced screen attached using HDMI cable is a better and more flexible solution.

It is not. What is you logic ? While you can get a bigger external screen, the truth is you got to buy it, carry it with you, mount when needed etc. Why would I want that ? A 3 inch integrated screen is more than enough for framing, and even for manual focus in video.

Again, I can't find any logic or facts in your statements.

 

[d3xmeister]

I have encountered so many situations where articulated screen is priceless.

Amen.

Just be glad you're not bombarded with the " proper DSLR photography is only through the viewfinder " type of commentaries like I was, 6 years ago, when I migrated from a Nikon CP5700 to my first DSLR, a 300D and immediately noticed what a huge step back the lacking of that particular feature was.

PK

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[TomCreek]

Proper photography is all about the results. It does not matter that you have taken the picture with a kitchen appliance mounted with a lens and a sensor. You can use what ever you want and the way you want, the only thing that matters is your final result.

Bingo! Heck, I'd use one of those separate lcd screens on my 4x5 camera(film), if I could. Would make life so much easier for focusing and framing...

 

[deep7]

Further to that, I think the articulating screen on my E3 adds to the durability. I'm not a compulsive chimper so the screen stays folded in most of the time, protecting it from knocks and scratches. After the best part of four years, including much time in the rugged outdoors and the "bash and crash" of shooting in crowded areas, that E3 is as pristine as a new camera.

I'm not saying an E3 is any tougher than a 1DX or D4. Of course not! Just that the screen is not a toughness issue at all. If Olympus can do it, so can other makers.

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[Edymagno]

How would you hold a 1DX and a tablet while following a firefly?

I have given enough time to this issue that I decided to start a new thread.
(I hope I'm not robbing anybody some bandwidth, lol) Please join too.

Regards
Eduardo

You can have live view on your tablet or smart phone. Beats any articulating screen by a mile.

Earthlight

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[cosmicnode]

I like many others wear glasses to look at near images, such as screens, however I don't need them for looking through the viewfinder as in general the apparent distance to the focussed image is within the range of normal distance eyesight. This means out of comfort I always use the viewfinder so a articulating screen would require me to be constantly putting on and then taking off glasses, which I normally do not wear outside, and would not really be much use.
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[DanCart]

yep what you said makes sense, I suspect the reason the articulating screen is not included in the 1DX and the D4 is because the pros havent demanded it, if they had made noise about wanting it I think they would have got it in those cameras

Further to that, I think the articulating screen on my E3 adds to the durability. I'm not a compulsive chimper so the screen stays folded in most of the time, protecting it from knocks and scratches. After the best part of four years, including much time in the rugged outdoors and the "bash and crash" of shooting in crowded areas, that E3 is as pristine as a new camera.

I'm not saying an E3 is any tougher than a 1DX or D4. Of course not! Just that the screen is not a toughness issue at all. If Olympus can do it, so can other makers.

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[TFergus]

Was the articulated screen casting that glare onto the lens?

People are taking showers with the Olympus E-5 while filming, I washed my E-5 and 12-60mm lens under water jet in my sink.

So this is rubbish, articulated screen is a missing feature. After using only cameras with articulated screens in the past 2 years, I find it an essential feature.

I have encountered so many situations where articulated screen is priceless.

Here's a photo that could not be taken without the E-620 articulated screen, the camera was almost toching the ground

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[Grevture]

The point of durability it is not rubbish, things with hinges are less durable then integrated things. Simple fact.

Wrong, proved by Olympus. E-3 had slight problems with the LCD, but theye were fixed, and E-5 is rock solid Also see Nikon and Canon forums and how many pro cameras died from rain. How many Olympus cameras died in rain ? Talking about facts, right ?

Well, that might have something to do with the shear number of those Canon and Nikon pro cameras out there, and how they are used

I have been at many rainy outdoor sport events, meetings, demonstrations and similar situations in the past years, with many Canon and Nikon cameras hard at work, and not a single Olympus camera in sight ...

And you keep ignoring the fact that while a built in articulated screen sure is a cheap and conveniant way to get there, a separate bigger and more advanced screen attached using HDMI cable is a better and more flexible solution.

It is not. What is you logic ? While you can get a bigger external screen, the truth is you got to buy it, carry it with you, mount when needed etc. Why would I want that ?

Because it still is a feature which is rarely useful for the vast majority of PJ and sports work, which these cameras are built for. And having a bigger screen which can be positioned freely within the range of a HDMI cable sure is conveniant those times such a screen really is helpful.

A 3 inch integrated screen is more than enough for framing, and even for manual focus in video.

Well, that is your opinion. I prefer a bigger screen, with peaking and other helpful functions.

Again, I can't find any logic or facts in your statements.

And I can find very little in yours

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[PhotoKhan]

I like many others wear glasses to look at near images, such as screens, however I don't need them for looking through the viewfinder as in general the apparent distance to the focussed image is within the range of normal distance eyesight. This means out of comfort I always use the viewfinder so a articulating screen would require me to be constantly putting on and then taking off glasses, which I normally do not wear outside, and would not really be much use.

...Ermm...you are a aware that articulated screens (like the current fix LCD ones) do not replace the viewfinder but rather add to that option, are you not?

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[DaddyG]

OP here. Thanks for all the insightful comments.

I do believe that Canon/Nikon could certainly make an articulated screen camera robust enough (and have room for buttons); if there was the demand. (Therefore I tend to agree with DanCart's comment).

These cameras have so much video capability invested in them, I do believe it to be an oversight. Deep7, I also increase the durability of my 60D by folding it inwards often, especially while shooting in crowded areas.

As d3xmeister states, Pro photography is all about results. I expect that if the competition (i.e. Sony) produce a pro-level machine, it will have this feature which would enable such users to much easier achieve certain results.
(Btw, nice interesting image, d3xmeister).

Cheers
DG

 

[d3xmeister]

Was the articulated screen casting that glare onto the lens?

That was the fact I was shooting with a 9mm ultra wide angle lens, and I deliberately took the hood off, to get flare. I think that makes the photo stronger. Some like it, some don't.

 

[d3xmeister]

yep what you said makes sense, I suspect the reason the articulating screen is not included in the 1DX and the D4 is because the pros havent demanded it, if they had made noise about wanting it I think they would have got it in those cameras

Bingo !