Lots of Noise!!

[SteveS76444]

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions. The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

 

[newbie but...]

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

Probably as good as a Nikon 995 ? Are you serious ? I plan for buying a camera so the nikon is cheap for the same quality !

;-)

JC

 

[teriba]

ISO100. The lower ISO you shoot the lower your noise. Use the flash/more lighting or open your aperture to help you out.

--
I am a sex object.
Everytime I ask girls for sex they object.

 

[David Martin]

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

!!!!!!!!!!
If that's all they are, take it back, you've got a bad one!

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

If you post shots complete with EXIF we can take a look at what you're doing.

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

Regards,
--
DaveMart

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

Only that good? Are you comparing actual pixels or printed output?

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

Sounds like you're using auto ISO. Set ISO to 100 and use artificial light (e.g., flash).

[snip]

Petteri
--
http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/

 

[digislr]

I returned my 7Hi after 15 days due to the huge amounts of noise. I have some pics, taken outdoors in full sunlight that have horrendous noise - I tried 100ISO and they were still noisy when viewed full size. I used to own the original D7 and after looking back at those pics, I see the noise, but not as bad as the 7hi. I purchased a Canon D60 and WOW, I can take a picture at 800 ISO and have less noise than the D7hi did at 100ISO in the same situation. Also, the colors of the D7hi still need improvement.

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

Only that good? Are you comparing actual pixels or printed output?

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

Sounds like you're using auto ISO. Set ISO to 100 and use
artificial light (e.g., flash).

[snip]

Petteri
--
http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/

 

[SteveS76444]

It's messages like the one posted by Steve Huff that make me feel uneasy about buying the Hi. I have til next weekend to return it for a full refund and/or exchange.

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

 

[Steven Lyons]

It's messages like the one posted by Steve Huff that make me feel
uneasy about buying the Hi. I have til next weekend to return it
for a full refund and/or exchange.

If you can afford a D60 you should probably buy it and return the 7HI. It'll never compare to a camera that costs twice as much (without a lens). It's a trade-off that many are willing to accept, but the noise issue is definitely there in poorly lit images (works fine if you have lots of light though).

 

[David Martin]

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

Steve Huff is comparing the Minolta to a D60 which is not really an apropriate comparison. Sure, lay out the extra big bucks and you'll have something which is measurably better, but if you realise and work within the limits of the tool you have you'll do fine, and I include large blowups. On this size of sensor you are however limited in low-llight shots and you have to allow them a fairly long exposure time. This situation isn't going to be greatly different in any comparable camera.

If you want to spend $2000 for the basic camera plus I don't know how much for lenses you can obviouly greatly improve the low-light capabilities - but you will however be talking expensive glass as well.
And you'll need to budget for a small pack horse to carry the equiptment!
Regards - and relax you've bought a great camera.
--
DaveMart

 

[SteveS76444]

Thanks, guys, I really like my new D7Hi, like the feel of it, it's features and the versatility of it. With my CP995 I feel like a tourist. With the D7Hi I feel like a photographer. Now..if only I can get over this dang noise hang up.

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

 

[DIGIdave]

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

Did you buy the 7HI to take indoor, low light, no flash pictures? Seems like an odd target for ANY prosumer level camera. You will spend thouands of dollars more to reach that desire.

 

[engbert]

Try http://www.neatimage.com

It takes a while to learn to use it, but can make a huge difference.

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

 

[digislr]

$2200 for D60, $150 for basic 28mm 2.8 lens or $319 for a 24-85 lens. No need for L glass. $2350-$2550 to get started. The D60 is the smallest digital SLR cam you can get. I use the same bag that I used for my Dimage 7hi. Is teh DImage a bad cam? NO! Its got a great feel, the best features, great EVF, GREAT lens BUT the images are noisy as heck! Take any D7hi shot, even in sunlight and view it at 100% on your screen. The noise is everywhere.I have also owned a SOny 707 and it was good, but I liked the Dimage better becuase of its look and feel and features. If you want to spend $1200 Id get the Nikon 5700. Want to spend another grand, Id get the D60 and a cheap prime canon lens like the 28mm or 50mm, OR you can get a used/refurb D30 for $1200 which will also be better than the D7hi. Ive owned:

Dimage 7
Dimage 7hi
Sony 707
Olympus E10
Canon D30
Canon D60

All will take a good pic, but the Minolta cams just have the noise. I saw the noise in my 8X10 prints as well.

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

Steve Huff is comparing the Minolta to a D60 which is not really an
apropriate comparison. Sure, lay out the extra big bucks and you'll
have something which is measurably better, but if you realise and
work within the limits of the tool you have you'll do fine, and I
include large blowups. On this size of sensor you are however
limited in low-llight shots and you have to allow them a fairly
long exposure time. This situation isn't going to be greatly
different in any comparable camera.
If you want to spend $2000 for the basic camera plus I don't know
how much for lenses you can obviouly greatly improve the low-light
capabilities - but you will however be talking expensive glass as
well.
And you'll need to budget for a small pack horse to carry the
equiptment!
Regards - and relax you've bought a great camera.
--
DaveMart

 

[David Martin]

$2200 for D60, $150 for basic 28mm 2.8 lens or $319 for a 24-85
lens. No need for L glass. $2350-$2550 to get started. The D60 is
the smallest digital SLR cam you can get. I use the same bag that I
used for my Dimage 7hi. Is teh DImage a bad cam? NO! Its got a
great feel, the best features, great EVF, GREAT lens BUT the images
are noisy as heck! Take any D7hi shot, even in sunlight and view it
at 100% on your screen.

What do you want to do that for, other than to work on the shot in Photoshop? I personally then either downsize for the web, in which case the noise goes away, or want to print out, which is the real test.
The noise is everywhere.I have also owned a

SOny 707 and it was good, but I liked the Dimage better becuase of
its look and feel and features. If you want to spend $1200 Id get
the Nikon 5700.

I agree the 707 was a good camera, and the 717 is better, but the 5700?

It's low-light capabilities are so poor that you wouldn't even be able to see to get the shot without worrying if it had noise!
Want to spend another grand, Id get the D60 and a

cheap prime canon lens like the 28mm or 50mm, OR you can get a
used/refurb D30 for $1200 which will also be better than the D7hi.

So the D60 is really in an entirely different league, which was my point.

I agree about the D30, but you are talking used, and in your costs you haven't mentioned the glass needed to bring it up to the full 28-200mm capabilities, plus you would still be swapping lenses and carrying several lenses.

It's a direction I might go in myself, but it's not without it's downsides and is certainly more expensive.

Ive owned:

Dimage 7
Dimage 7hi
Sony 707
Olympus E10
Canon D30
Canon D60

All will take a good pic, but the Minolta cams just have the noise.
I saw the noise in my 8X10 prints as well.

On all the shots or just some of them? Are you talking about low-light shots with a relatively short exposure time?

Absolutely, the D7 series is noisier than the D30's and D60's, but if you don't expect it to do something which it was not designed to do and work within it's limitations it's a great great camera.

The D60, for instance is not as good as the D1s, but no reasonable person would expect it to be and you have to learn to live with it's slower AF etc.

A lot of us on this forum who have stuck with the D7 series seem to be pretty happy with our prints.
And most of us only rarely feel the need to use Neat Image etc.
I stilll don't really feel that your comparison is really the best one.
Regards,

DaveMart

 

[SteveS76444]

You have a valid point there, DIGIdave!

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

 

[digislr]

Yea, I have three prints here from just before I took back the hi. From a relatives wedding. All three prints are noisy, 2 were taken outdoors, one indoors with flash. For me that was enough to shell out teh extra cash for something better. You are right about the 5700 - low light stinks. Id say in the up to $1200 range there are really only 2 good choices. D7hi and 717. Im not saying the 7hi is bad, its not. I have some really great pics taken with it. If they could get the noise down to even the 707 or 717's range it would be awesome.

$2200 for D60, $150 for basic 28mm 2.8 lens or $319 for a 24-85
lens. No need for L glass. $2350-$2550 to get started. The D60 is
the smallest digital SLR cam you can get. I use the same bag that I
used for my Dimage 7hi. Is teh DImage a bad cam? NO! Its got a
great feel, the best features, great EVF, GREAT lens BUT the images
are noisy as heck! Take any D7hi shot, even in sunlight and view it
at 100% on your screen.

What do you want to do that for, other than to work on the shot in
Photoshop? I personally then either downsize for the web, in which
case the noise goes away, or want to print out, which is the real
test.
The noise is everywhere.I have also owned a

SOny 707 and it was good, but I liked the Dimage better becuase of
its look and feel and features. If you want to spend $1200 Id get
the Nikon 5700.

I agree the 707 was a good camera, and the 717 is better, but the
5700?
It's low-light capabilities are so poor that you wouldn't even be
able to see to get the shot without worrying if it had noise!
Want to spend another grand, Id get the D60 and a

cheap prime canon lens like the 28mm or 50mm, OR you can get a
used/refurb D30 for $1200 which will also be better than the D7hi.

So the D60 is really in an entirely different league, which was my
point.
I agree about the D30, but you are talking used, and in your costs
you haven't mentioned the glass needed to bring it up to the full
28-200mm capabilities, plus you would still be swapping lenses and
carrying several lenses.
It's a direction I might go in myself, but it's not without it's
downsides and is certainly more expensive.

Ive owned:

Dimage 7
Dimage 7hi
Sony 707
Olympus E10
Canon D30
Canon D60

All will take a good pic, but the Minolta cams just have the noise.
I saw the noise in my 8X10 prints as well.

On all the shots or just some of them? Are you talking about
low-light shots with a relatively short exposure time?
Absolutely, the D7 series is noisier than the D30's and D60's, but
if you don't expect it to do something which it was not designed to
do and work within it's limitations it's a great great camera.
The D60, for instance is not as good as the D1s, but no reasonable
person would expect it to be and you have to learn to live with
it's slower AF etc.
A lot of us on this forum who have stuck with the D7 series seem to
be pretty happy with our prints.
And most of us only rarely feel the need to use Neat Image etc.
I stilll don't really feel that your comparison is really the best
one.
Regards,

DaveMart

 

[Plamen Antonov]

Hi ALL,

Please, put here a link to these noisy pictures. I'm curious to have a look.

10x

Plamen

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

By the way, thanks for all those battery conservation suggestions.
The batteries are doing much better now.

SteveZ

 

[Peter Marina]

I agree with Teriba. Try to use ISO 100 and open up the aperfture and see if it helps. If not, then just try to use ear plugs.

Peter MArina

ISO100. The lower ISO you shoot the lower your noise. Use the
flash/more lighting or open your aperture to help you out.

--
I am a sex object.
Everytime I ask girls for sex they object.

--
Peter Marina

 

[marco963]

I always set my 7i to 100 ISO and, for inddor photos, I use the flash, but the final results are absolutely unpredictable. Sometimes I get perfect photos, sharp and with barely noticeable noise, sometimes I would like to trash immediately the pictures.

My impression (maybe wrong) is that if you take pictures with the subject quite close to the camera (1.5 meters and below), the noise is acceptable. At 2 meters or 2.5 meters, the noise increases. It is not a matter of flash power because at 2 meters, 3.5 you shouldn't have any problem.

Well, it's day two with my D7Hi. I'm getting the hang of it.

Outdoors, the shots are okay, probably as good as my Nikon 995.

Only that good? Are you comparing actual pixels or printed output?

I took some shots indoors without the built in flash using only
natural light and..yes.... NOISE is a problem with the D7Hi. Any
suggestions on how to reduce that problem? Are there any particular
settings I should use when shooting in low light conditions?

Sounds like you're using auto ISO. Set ISO to 100 and use
artificial light (e.g., flash).

[snip]

Petteri
--
http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/

 

[Zumt]

Rather than to cry that there is noise, did you ever make a print ?

My only one criteria is a print, as I take pictures to make prints, to share prints and albums.

Do you spend your time zooming at 400% on the screen ?

Prints up to 9x13 inches have no noise (100 or 200 ISO), what ever is the 5 mega-pix you use (Minolta D7, Coolpix 5000/5700, Sony 707/717).

Regards,
Zz