I cannot help but wonder...

[Denialisnotariverinegypt]

Change the fact that mine could not focus consistently no matter what.

I really don’t think it was the AUTO focus that was the problem, just the camera itself as described by others on this forum (front focus, back focus etc).

To much work & stress to figure it out, waiting for new camera and hoping problem is solved.

I have no doubt there are many happy D60 owners who do not have this problem, but when considering why some (me included) are so are so excited to get a this new 10d camera you cannot discount or ignore the frustration some of us have paid $2k or more to go through.

Just my experience.

Rick

I cannot help but wonder if the photographs taken by those dumping
their D60 bodies will be any better with the 10D they're desperate
to pick up...

... probably not.

--

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

--

 

[Mishkin]

I was amazed to smell that snobbery in his post.

While I don't completely agree with what he said, Michael Thomas
Mitchell is one of the most helpful and considerate people to
participate in this forum. What he said does kind of sound like
proffesional snobbery but I can tell you based on his many posts in
the past that he is not like that. I enjoy his helpful posts.

 

[randy corbin]

why not strive to learn and improve, as we all do, with better equipement?

I for one work all the time at improving my skills, and look forward to doing the same, with a 10D....I'm still keeping my D60, because it does a great job as well.....for various duck shots by me....see link below....sorry Michael, no cats or babies there......well, maybe 1 cat.......do I deserve a new camera?

--

stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS, 550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001

 

[Denialisnotariverinegypt]

randy corbin wrote:
.......do I deserve a new camera?

Yes, you deserve one just for the Squirrel shot! It put a smile on my face, I love comical photos.

Your work looks great.

Rick

--
stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS,
550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001

--

 

[Mishkin]

...there's nothing to improve in your shots!

Beautiful pics.

Now, Michael will answer with his beautiful pics, but it won't save his original sceptic
post.

why not strive to learn and improve, as we all do, with better
equipement?
I for one work all the time at improving my skills, and look
forward to doing the same, with a 10D....I'm still keeping my D60,
because it does a great job as well.....for various duck shots by
me....see link below....sorry Michael, no cats or babies
there......well, maybe 1 cat.......do I deserve a new camera?

--
stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS,
550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001

 

[JCW]

Change the fact that mine could not focus consistently no matter what.

I really don’t think it was the AUTO focus that was the problem,
just the camera itself as described by others on this forum (front
focus, back focus etc).

I'm just curious, was your problem front focus/back focus, or inconsistent focus? Those are two completely separate problems. If it was front focus/back focus, then it would be consistent focus, just incorrect focus. That's something you can't fix. If it was inconsistent focus, that might be something that could be solved with a bit of refining of technique.

you cannot discount or
ignore the frustration some of us have paid $2k or more to go
through.

I don't discount it at all. I paid almost $3k for my D30, and went through all the same things. But I've had over 2 years to figure out how to work through/around the problems.

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

 

[Steven Baker]

What I am going to miss the most while all the chatter is going on about the 10D is the helpful tips that Michael and others have given me on how to be a better photographer. The sharing of knowedge on ETTL and the actions supplied have made my end results much better than any upgrade could. I hope that that flow of info isn't lost in all the hype talk. That info is the only reason I was able to get results like these.
Thanks Michael,
Steve

You were the only one who, I believe, read the subtext of my
statement and understood what I meant. There are lots of lousy
photographs being taken with D30s, D60, and even 1d and 1Ds' for
that matter that have nothing to do with focus, resolution,
colorspaces, or any of the other technical consideration I've
witnessed discussion about. Adding a 10D to the pool isn't going to
change that.

I'm reminded of my high school and college days... every trumpet
player thought they needed a Stradivarius to be a good player. But
the real difference between the good players and the poor ones were
that the good ones understood that they needed to practice, take
lessons, and study. The poor ones sounded just as lousy even after
trading in their $200 Bundys for $1500 Bachs.

When the 10D arrives, it'll be all about bragging rights... that's
all. We'll be inundated with scores of posts and full-size sample
of -- yep, you guessed it -- DUCKS.

The problem is not new equipment... heck, I bought a D60 the week
it came out and love using it. I love seeing new gear arriving. The
problem, rather, is that too much of this is distracting. I'm not
talking about the tired old "art vs technique" that gets discussed
ad nauseum. I just believe theire's a basic proclivity for a
photographer to achieve virtually the same FUNDAMENTAL results,
regardless of whether they will own a D60 or a 10D. Obviously,
there have been some fundamental developments in digital gear over
the past 7 years or so. But these developments seem minimal now.
(The D60 was a very minor evolution from the D30, and the 10D a
very minor evolution from the D60.)

Simply put, the tools have been in our hands for a while now. If
you're moving from the D60 to a 10D because the former didn't
"really" suit your needs, the latter probably won't "really" suit
your needs either.

Now, if you just enjoy gadgets, and you have the funds, by all
means indulge and have fun!

I cannot help but wonder if the photographs taken by those dumping
their D60 bodies will be any better with the 10D they're desperate
to pick up...

... probably not.

Of course not. Most people never even come close to using the full
potential of the camera they have now, let alone the "latest and
greatest" coming out soon.

--
Scott

My 'Favorites' Gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/sdommin/favorites

 

[Bern Caughey]

I shoot 99% of my pictures at the lowest ASA. Phil's review showed the D60 better at this ASA then the 10D, although I don't know how much this would show when printed.

I too am seriously considering selling my D60, but it has nothing to do with the new 10D & everything to do with the old 1D. The D60 is, & the 10D will be, a great camera. If I wasn't a professional, I wouldn't be upgrading for awhile. I probably keep the 1D & pick-up an additional camera when possible, since professionals always need a back-up during jobs. As such, I am uncomfortable giving up the D60, but this is an economic decision.

Regards,
Bern Caughey

 

[Pixel Warp]

The 10D is a very good upgrade to the D60.

Ummm... I can't help but wonder how you're so sure of this even before you have one in your hand... Sounds a lot like the comments made by the D60 pre-buyers "back in the day"...
--

• Chris

 

[William C]

I cannot help but wonder if the photographs taken by those dumping
their D60 bodies will be any better with the 10D they're desperate
to pick up...

... probably not.

--
“What actually happens in the real world is what photographers needs to know.”
Michael Reichmann – Luminous Landscape

 

[randy corbin]

actually,Michael has been extremely helpful on this forum, and I was really just teasing him a little bit......(all in fun Michael)

--

stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS, 550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001

 

[Denialisnotariverinegypt]

The help and support on this forum in solving these types of issues, there a a lot of sharp pepple here.

For me it was just easier to wait and get a new camera, that's all.

My only point was that some D60's are "special" and I had one of them.

I would rather beat my head against the wall at work, and just use the $ to buy a new camera

Talk to you soon,
Rick

Change the fact that mine could not focus consistently no matter what.

I really don’t think it was the AUTO focus that was the problem,
just the camera itself as described by others on this forum (front
focus, back focus etc).

I'm just curious, was your problem front focus/back focus, or
inconsistent focus? Those are two completely separate problems.
If it was front focus/back focus, then it would be consistent
focus, just incorrect focus. That's something you can't fix. If
it was inconsistent focus, that might be something that could be
solved with a bit of refining of technique.

you cannot discount or
ignore the frustration some of us have paid $2k or more to go
through.

I don't discount it at all. I paid almost $3k for my D30, and went
through all the same things. But I've had over 2 years to figure
out how to work through/around the problems.

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

--

 

[Luigi]

Pekka Sarinnen from Sweden is the one example I have that comes to mind that no matter what equipment he has, he does a remarkable job. Take a look at his site:

http://photography-on-the.net/gallery/list.php?exhibition=2

GR.

You were the only one who, I believe, read the subtext of my
statement and understood what I meant. There are lots of lousy
photographs being taken with D30s, D60, and even 1d and 1Ds' for
that matter that have nothing to do with focus, resolution,
colorspaces, or any of the other technical consideration I've
witnessed discussion about. Adding a 10D to the pool isn't going to
change that.

I'm reminded of my high school and college days... every trumpet
player thought they needed a Stradivarius to be a good player. But
the real difference between the good players and the poor ones were
that the good ones understood that they needed to practice, take
lessons, and study. The poor ones sounded just as lousy even after
trading in their $200 Bundys for $1500 Bachs.

When the 10D arrives, it'll be all about bragging rights... that's
all. We'll be inundated with scores of posts and full-size sample
of -- yep, you guessed it -- DUCKS.

The problem is not new equipment... heck, I bought a D60 the week
it came out and love using it. I love seeing new gear arriving. The
problem, rather, is that too much of this is distracting. I'm not
talking about the tired old "art vs technique" that gets discussed
ad nauseum. I just believe theire's a basic proclivity for a
photographer to achieve virtually the same FUNDAMENTAL results,
regardless of whether they will own a D60 or a 10D. Obviously,
there have been some fundamental developments in digital gear over
the past 7 years or so. But these developments seem minimal now.
(The D60 was a very minor evolution from the D30, and the 10D a
very minor evolution from the D60.)

Simply put, the tools have been in our hands for a while now. If
you're moving from the D60 to a 10D because the former didn't
"really" suit your needs, the latter probably won't "really" suit
your needs either.

Now, if you just enjoy gadgets, and you have the funds, by all
means indulge and have fun!

I cannot help but wonder if the photographs taken by those dumping
their D60 bodies will be any better with the 10D they're desperate
to pick up...

... probably not.

Of course not. Most people never even come close to using the full
potential of the camera they have now, let alone the "latest and
greatest" coming out soon.

--
Scott

My 'Favorites' Gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/sdommin/favorites

 

[Greg M]

I never jumped on the D60 bandwagon. I never thought it was worth upgrading to. The 10D is well worth upgrading to. Have you read the information from those who have had their hands on it? Phil has said that the AF is much improved and have you seen the samples of ISO 1600 and 3200 straight out of the camera? They are amazing. Have you read the specs? Yes there is enough information out there to make an informed decision. If I didn't have a 1D then I would be on one of those waiting lists.

I bought my D30 before I ever put my hands on one. I made the decision to buy my 1D before ever touching one. I bought all of my lenses without handling them first. Why do I have to have it in my hands to decide if it is something worth buying? We're not going on just what Canon has said about the 10D.

 

[david hickey]

Hi Michael,

I'm still using a bunch of your actions and loving them. Thanks again!

Your question is an easy one to answer.

If I am out shooting with my new 10D and I take 200 shots and they are all in focus versus only having 125 in focus with my D60 then I say the photographs will be better. If I can shoot in more available light situations with less noise then I think my photographs will be better. If I can set my WB in 100 degree increments at the large auto shows I shoot at then I think my photos will be better. If I can quickly zoom in easily on playback and check critical focus on my subjects eyes then I think my photos will be better!

This will virtually cost me nothing to "dump" my D60! The D60 is great! The 10D looks to address the D60's few shortcomings!

Enjoy your D60. It's a heckofa camera!

I cannot help but wonder if the photographs taken by those dumping
their D60 bodies will be any better with the 10D they're desperate
to pick up...

... probably not.

--
Equipment List;

Milk Dud Box With Pinhole
Duct Tape
Hammer
Screwdriver
Homemade Coke Bottle Lens
56 Megapixal Sensor Stuck to back of box with old Milk Dud
Egg Timer

 

[Dan Brown]

Same thing on the golf course or the slopes when skiing. You can always see people with state of the art, top of the line equipment that couldn't ski an expert run if their life depended on it or hit a ball straight down the fairway. Some folks have just way more money than they do skill level for whatever their particular hobby maybe. JMHO

I cannot help but wonder if the photographs taken by those dumping
their D60 bodies will be any better with the 10D they're desperate
to pick up...

... probably not.

--
Dan Brown
http://www.pbase.com/wheatenman

'If nothing changes, nothing changes'

 

[Mishkin]

Same thing on the golf course or the slopes when skiing. You can
always see people with state of the art, top of the line equipment
that couldn't ski an expert run if their life depended on it or hit
a ball straight down the fairway. Some folks have just way more
money than they do skill level for whatever their particular hobby
maybe. JMHO

Those dummies with top-notch skis won't tell a difference.

A shapshot taken with 1Ds is much better snapshot than the one taken with D30. Even if it's a lousy snapshot, with harsh flash, bad composition, etc. People like quality. People like memories recorded with amazing detail. There's absolutely no point in snobby humiliating "dummies", their "bad" photos could be more joyfull to them then "photoartist's unearthly creations".