Does RX100II have auto-ISO in the M mode?

[New Daddy]

Does RX100II have auto-ISO in the M mode? I know that RX100 didn't.

(And let's not get into why auto-ISO is or is not necessary in the M mode in this thread. I happen to be one who needs it, and if you strongly feel it's not necessary, you can start your own thread about why it's not necessary.)

 

[mike winslow]

Does RX100II have auto-ISO in the M mode? I know that RX100 didn't.

(And let's not get into why auto-ISO is or is not necessary in the M mode in this thread. I happen to be one who needs it, and if you strongly feel it's not necessary, you can start your own thread about why it's not necessary.)

rx10 does.. apparently the a7 judging from a thread over in the other forum.. I'm interested in hearing on the 100M2 as well.. I think Sony finally is starting to more widely incorporate it - it's not in the NEX.

Some of the changes in PASM really threw me for a loop at first, since in A mode - I started noticing that S couldnt be varied in A mode within the range of auto ISO, and A setting on the ring ignored in S mode with auto ISO..

But M mode with auto ISO covers the change..

eg Auto ISO became ambiguous in PAS - the camera wont 'auto' through the valid auto ISO range.

If what I just described is 'normal' behavior - dont worry.. But it twisted in my head for a while adjusting from my NEX, where I got used to being able to run in A, and still be able to set S is ISO was auto.. lol on the comment about why it's not necessary to ...

 

[cewong2]

Does RX100II have auto-ISO in the M mode? I know that RX100 didn't.

(And let's not get into why auto-ISO is or is not necessary in the M mode in this thread. I happen to be one who needs it, and if you strongly feel it's not necessary, you can start your own thread about why it's not necessary.)

Unfortunately it seems like the M Mode is purely ALL manual with even the auto options in some things being unselectable, with the exception of focus, which you can still use auto-focus with. My suggestions unless Sony updates the firmware to include the option, is to try one of the other modes PA or S if you can.

 

[Ron AKA]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode. What are you expecting Auto ISO to do when you are trying to under or over expose the image? If it keeps changing the ISO to keep the exposure spot on, then the mode is no longer manual. You would be chasing your tail trying to set the exposure where you want it.

 

[New Daddy]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode. What are you expecting Auto ISO to do when you are trying to under or over expose the image? If it keeps changing the ISO to keep the exposure spot on, then the mode is no longer manual. You would be chasing your tail trying to set the exposure where you want it.

You didn't read my OP. I specifically asked such judgemental statement not be made. If you want to preach, start your own thread.

 

[keven v]

Does RX100II have auto-ISO in the M mode? I know that RX100 didn't.

(And let's not get into why auto-ISO is or is not necessary in the M mode in this thread. I happen to be one who needs it, and if you strongly feel it's not necessary, you can start your own thread about why it's not necessary.)

From page 58 of the manual;

Notes

[ISO AUTO] cannot be selected for [ISO] in [Manual Exposure] mode.

 

[Ron AKA]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode. What are you expecting Auto ISO to do when you are trying to under or over expose the image? If it keeps changing the ISO to keep the exposure spot on, then the mode is no longer manual. You would be chasing your tail trying to set the exposure where you want it.

You didn't read my OP. I specifically asked such judgemental statement not be made. If you want to preach, start your own thread.

Perhaps you should take a course in photography and learn what you are doing rather than expecting the camera to be programmed to do everything for you. Have you considered setting the front ring to adjust ISO in Manual mode, so you can easily control everything?

Sony knows a few things about making cameras. Have you considered that they are made that way on purpose?

 

[New Daddy]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode. What are you expecting Auto ISO to do when you are trying to under or over expose the image? If it keeps changing the ISO to keep the exposure spot on, then the mode is no longer manual. You would be chasing your tail trying to set the exposure where you want it.

You didn't read my OP. I specifically asked such judgemental statement not be made. If you want to preach, start your own thread.

Perhaps you should take a course in photography and learn what you are doing rather than expecting the camera to be programmed to do everything for you. Have you considered setting the front ring to adjust ISO in Manual mode, so you can easily control everything?

Perhaps you should take a lesson in "thinking outside the box" rather than being confined to your preconceived small world.

Did you know that some cameras, most notably Pentax, have TAv mode, which lets you choose the shutter speed and the aperture, while the camera will float the ISO? If you think that mode of exposure was unnecessary, write a letter to Pentax and tell them that they "should take a course in photography".

Oh, and don't try to put up a reply to this post because I've muted you.

 

[Ron AKA]

Just suggesting you may get further by learning how to use the camera as it is, rather than expecting the camera to change to suit your personal views.

 

[Mike Boreham]

Auto ISO in Manual is very useful.

Sure, sometimes you want FULL manual, and you can have this, by setting ISO to the value you want (not auto).

But sometimes you know want a particular shutter speed and aperture value, and having ISO float to get the correct exposure is very useful.

I was very pleased to discover that my RX10 has auto ISO in manual. Confirm that my RX100M2 does not.

 

[Digital Nigel]

Auto ISO in Manual is very useful.

Sure, sometimes you want FULL manual, and you can have this, by setting ISO to the value you want (not auto).

But sometimes you know want a particular shutter speed and aperture value, and having ISO float to get the correct exposure is very useful.

I was very pleased to discover that my RX10 has auto ISO in manual. Confirm that my RX100M2 does not.

Yes, undoubtedly very useful, and it's a pity the RX100 doesn't have it. It could obviously be added in a firmware update, but Sony doesn't seem to do those for the RX cameras (and not often enough for NEXes, either).

 

[Mike Boreham]

Sony knows a few things about making cameras. Have you considered that they are made that way on purpose?

Nikon know a thing or two as well. Sony has taken a step in the right direction with the RX10, so hopefully they will eventually catch up with Nikon and add the additional auto ISO controls which Nikons have.

 

[New Daddy]

Sony knows a few things about making cameras. Have you considered that they are made that way on purpose?

Nikon know a thing or two as well. Sony has taken a step in the right direction with the RX10, so hopefully they will eventually catch up with Nikon and add the additional auto ISO controls which Nikons have.

Yes, that's right. Nikon has auto ISO in the M mode too.

 

[Alan_S]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode. What are you expecting Auto ISO to do when you are trying to under or over expose the image? If it keeps changing the ISO to keep the exposure spot on, then the mode is no longer manual. You would be chasing your tail trying to set the exposure where you want it.

Auto ISO in M is something Sony SLR/SLT users have been asking for for quite some time, and finally received with the a99 (have personally found it useful in a couple of telephoto situations. One is wildlife at/near twilight where I want a minimum shutter speed (say, 1/800) and lowest possible ISO for the rapidly changing light, particularly moving in/out of shadows -- setting the shutter and aperture (wide open) with auto ISO achieves this).

There are many other scenarios where it is useful. Am interested in this question as a prospective purchaser of the RX100II. Thanks to the OP for posting the question, and I apologize if I've perpetuated the side-topic you asked not occur (hopefully I've helped quash it).

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- AlanS

 

[Ron AKA]

Auto ISO in M is something Sony SLR/SLT users have been asking for for quite some time, and finally received with the a99 (have personally found it useful in a couple of telephoto situations. One is wildlife at/near twilight where I want a minimum shutter speed (say, 1/800) and lowest possible ISO for the rapidly changing light, particularly moving in/out of shadows -- setting the shutter and aperture (wide open) with auto ISO achieves this).

So, why don't you use Shutter Priority, set it at 1/800, and set it up for Auto ISO with the range of ISO you are willing to accept. The camera will get your 1/800 shutter, along with the lowest ISO it can, and the aperture to get a correct exposure.

 

[Alan_S]

Auto ISO in M is something Sony SLR/SLT users have been asking for for quite some time, and finally received with the a99 (have personally found it useful in a couple of telephoto situations. One is wildlife at/near twilight where I want a minimum shutter speed (say, 1/800) and lowest possible ISO for the rapidly changing light, particularly moving in/out of shadows -- setting the shutter and aperture (wide open) with auto ISO achieves this).

So, why don't you use Shutter Priority, set it at 1/800, and set it up for Auto ISO with the range of ISO you are willing to accept. The camera will get your 1/800 shutter, along with the lowest ISO it can, and the aperture to get a correct exposure.

Simple... while the shutter speed is taken care of in your scenario, without also locking the aperture wide open (need M to do both) there's no assurance that the lowest ISO will be selected by the camera. Per the OP's initial request I will not respond further to debate this; it is clearly an important feature to many, which is available in the higher-end models for a reason.

 

[Ron AKA]

Simple... while the shutter speed is taken care of in your scenario, without also locking the aperture wide open (need M to do both) there's no assurance that the lowest ISO will be selected by the camera.

Of course the camera will use the lowest ISO it can. That is what Auto ISO is designed to do. My opinion remains that this issue is a tempest in a teapot.

 

[Alan_S]

Simple... while the shutter speed is taken care of in your scenario, without also locking the aperture wide open (need M to do both) there's no assurance that the lowest ISO will be selected by the camera.

Of course the camera will use the lowest ISO it can. That is what Auto ISO is designed to do. My opinion remains that this issue is a tempest in a teapot.

Sure, a flawed opinion based upon a flawed assumption (what makes you think lowest ISO "is what auto ISO is designed to do"?).

 

[Sean Nelson]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode.

You're basically making a semantic argument here, and saying that it shouldn't be called "manual" mode if the ISO is automatically adjusted by the camera. Fine.

But there's still a valid reason for "everything is set manually except ISO" mode. In fact, Pentax DSLRs have "Tv" (shutter priority), "Av" (aperture priority), "Tav" (aperture and shutter priority), and "M" (everything set manually) modes. The "Tav" mode is what the OP is asking for, and while you may not agree that it should be called "manual" there's no technical or artistic reason a camera shouldn't have one.

 

[Alan_S]

A true manual mode allows you to adjust the shutter and aperture to give you any exposure you want and then tells you how far the exposure is off. So if you want to underexpose by 1 stop or over by 1 stop or whatever then you can. That is the purpose of a manual mode.

You're basically making a semantic argument here, and saying that it shouldn't be called "manual" mode if the ISO is automatically adjusted by the camera. Fine.

But there's still a valid reason for "everything is set manually except ISO" mode. In fact, Pentax DSLRs have "Tv" (shutter priority), "Av" (aperture priority), "Tav" (aperture and shutter priority), and "M" (everything set manually) modes. The "Tav" mode is what the OP is asking for, and while you may not agree that it should be called "manual" there's no technical or artistic reason a camera shouldn't have one.

Exactly... and the Sony a99 allows for auto-iso in M mode.