ThomasMiller
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The Canon fan-base, which has built a camp on the Nikon forums appears genuinely ANGRY about the D300 and D3. Why?
Well, I think I know the answer. For several years Canon has had a small but undeniable edge in ISO range. It's been the # 1 reason to pick a Canon over Nikon. In spite of this, Nikon has held it's lofty position in the mind of the general public and Canon has battled to bring their street credibility higher. Those of us who shoot for a living know that Canon makes great cameras and lenses.
But it is the ranks of the non-professionals that seems to generate the most volatile reactions. It's just too much for NIkon, the camera that thinks it's god's gift to photography, to actually be as good as or better than the Canons.
The whole issue of Canon IQ superiority has been dismantled by Nikon's latest cameras. Period. It's over. It's left most trolls bickering over nearly invisible differences in image quality, value for the dollar and finally...a rather sad effort to disqualify the D300's larger group of features and faster specs. One fellow, who has no 40D and never held a D300 said the better AF, screen and faster frame rates don't matter. Perhaps they DO matter if you've actually held and tried both cameras as I have.
Looking at most of the samples from 40D and D300 I see no difference in IQ that is of ANY VALUE. I've seen controlled shots on IR that favor the 40D and yet the next set lean in favor of the D300. At ISO 3200 and above the D300's design goal may pay off with slightly better performance. But the FACT is that air quality on a given day will probably effect shots more! That's how small a difference it is. So ends the IQ debates and I'm laughing, even at my own "The D300 beats the crop out of the 40D" thread. Because it's silly....and so are you if you believe in any of this IQ nonsense anymore. Anyone who picks one over the other based on samples is simply out of their minds. The 40D and D300 are separated by features and price and that's all.
Hardcore Canon fans won't accept this. They feel to justify their lower cost camera it must win some battle over the Nikon. It does. It's cheaper. And it shoots 14 bit faster. And if you have Canon lenses you're all set. Hardcore NIkon fans won't accept this. They feel to justify their higher priced camera it must win some battle over the Canon. It does. It's got pro AF, better rear LCD, weather sealing and a faster FPS,
My 100% personal choice was the D300 and D3. I won't argue about the D3. We all know where that camera stands. My decision to sell my 30D and drop Canon altogether (for now) was based on use of the 40D and D2X. I found the AF on the D2X better and believe the D300 may even be better than that. If you need to ask "how is it better" then you probably don't need such a camera. Pro AF is partly about speed and accuracy, but it's also about flexibility and adaptation. That's where the D300 leads by a real margin. Less sophisticated shooters will probably find the D300 AF over done and too complex. I also found the rear LCD to be just amazing. When it comes to buying cameras and lenses I don't worry about what I spend. I just want great gear. It's fun to have all of the bells and whistles and the D300 rings and whistles a bit louder than the 40D. As I said, it's a personal choice. I don't worry about "value." I want the best camera for MY needs, but I also like a camera that has "more stuff" and there's nothing wrong with that.
So...to sum up. We've got a LOT of Canon fans who are upset. They fail to see that Nikon's new cameras will only benefit ALL of us. But those Canonites need to be "right" today. In their world you either own the fastest car or you don't. In an odd way it's just not enough for them that the 40D is superb. They feel driven to discredit a higher end camera simply because it may do a little more and have a flashier image. Unable to chant as they did they'll now really pull out all the stops. The more expert of the shooters here caught on to the problems with the bear photos for example. And the comments from some fellow saying the D300 was not close to the D3 or the Canons referred to the HIGH END Canons of course. IR posted excellent shots showing...to MY EYES that the D300 and 40D are too close to even bother with. The 40D might have an edge at 1600 and the D300 at 3200, but air quality could be enough to change the results! That's how close they are. By sheer numbers, I've seen more D300 high ISO shots that beat the 40D, but I also like the way the 40D images clean up in Noise Ninja pro better. Folks, it's a wash. If you HAVE to have 8 FPS or the advanced AF or the slick LCD, then pay up or shut up! Don't cry that the D300 is overpriced. It has a LOT of extra features. If they don't work for you, then buy the Canon or wait for the next Nikon camera.
Everyone needs to relax a little. The truth is that if you find yourself a Canon owner in this forum defending your camera or posting links to OTHER opinions that help support your decision, you might want to ask yourself WHY. This IS the Nikon forum. Many of us have heavy investments in glass. That means we have to go with the ebbs and flows and not abandon a system just because Canon or Sony have a brief period of better products. Right now is a FLOW moment for Nikon as they've taken a small lead. Canon will answer back...and EVERYONE who enjoys taking photos will benefit.
Happy Holidays,
Thomas (Lord Nikon)
The Canon fan-base, which has built a camp on the Nikon forums appears genuinely ANGRY about the D300 and D3. Why?
Well, I think I know the answer. For several years Canon has had a small but undeniable edge in ISO range. It's been the # 1 reason to pick a Canon over Nikon. In spite of this, Nikon has held it's lofty position in the mind of the general public and Canon has battled to bring their street credibility higher. Those of us who shoot for a living know that Canon makes great cameras and lenses.
But it is the ranks of the non-professionals that seems to generate the most volatile reactions. It's just too much for NIkon, the camera that thinks it's god's gift to photography, to actually be as good as or better than the Canons.
The whole issue of Canon IQ superiority has been dismantled by Nikon's latest cameras. Period. It's over. It's left most trolls bickering over nearly invisible differences in image quality, value for the dollar and finally...a rather sad effort to disqualify the D300's larger group of features and faster specs. One fellow, who has no 40D and never held a D300 said the better AF, screen and faster frame rates don't matter. Perhaps they DO matter if you've actually held and tried both cameras as I have.
Looking at most of the samples from 40D and D300 I see no difference in IQ that is of ANY VALUE. I've seen controlled shots on IR that favor the 40D and yet the next set lean in favor of the D300. At ISO 3200 and above the D300's design goal may pay off with slightly better performance. But the FACT is that air quality on a given day will probably effect shots more! That's how small a difference it is. So ends the IQ debates and I'm laughing, even at my own "The D300 beats the crop out of the 40D" thread. Because it's silly....and so are you if you believe in any of this IQ nonsense anymore. Anyone who picks one over the other based on samples is simply out of their minds. The 40D and D300 are separated by features and price and that's all.
Hardcore Canon fans won't accept this. They feel to justify their lower cost camera it must win some battle over the Nikon. It does. It's cheaper. And it shoots 14 bit faster. And if you have Canon lenses you're all set. Hardcore NIkon fans won't accept this. They feel to justify their higher priced camera it must win some battle over the Canon. It does. It's got pro AF, better rear LCD, weather sealing and a faster FPS,
My 100% personal choice was the D300 and D3. I won't argue about the D3. We all know where that camera stands. My decision to sell my 30D and drop Canon altogether (for now) was based on use of the 40D and D2X. I found the AF on the D2X better and believe the D300 may even be better than that. If you need to ask "how is it better" then you probably don't need such a camera. Pro AF is partly about speed and accuracy, but it's also about flexibility and adaptation. That's where the D300 leads by a real margin. Less sophisticated shooters will probably find the D300 AF over done and too complex. I also found the rear LCD to be just amazing. When it comes to buying cameras and lenses I don't worry about what I spend. I just want great gear. It's fun to have all of the bells and whistles and the D300 rings and whistles a bit louder than the 40D. As I said, it's a personal choice. I don't worry about "value." I want the best camera for MY needs, but I also like a camera that has "more stuff" and there's nothing wrong with that.
So...to sum up. We've got a LOT of Canon fans who are upset. They fail to see that Nikon's new cameras will only benefit ALL of us. But those Canonites need to be "right" today. In their world you either own the fastest car or you don't. In an odd way it's just not enough for them that the 40D is superb. They feel driven to discredit a higher end camera simply because it may do a little more and have a flashier image. Unable to chant as they did they'll now really pull out all the stops. The more expert of the shooters here caught on to the problems with the bear photos for example. And the comments from some fellow saying the D300 was not close to the D3 or the Canons referred to the HIGH END Canons of course. IR posted excellent shots showing...to MY EYES that the D300 and 40D are too close to even bother with. The 40D might have an edge at 1600 and the D300 at 3200, but air quality could be enough to change the results! That's how close they are. By sheer numbers, I've seen more D300 high ISO shots that beat the 40D, but I also like the way the 40D images clean up in Noise Ninja pro better. Folks, it's a wash. If you HAVE to have 8 FPS or the advanced AF or the slick LCD, then pay up or shut up! Don't cry that the D300 is overpriced. It has a LOT of extra features. If they don't work for you, then buy the Canon or wait for the next Nikon camera.
Everyone needs to relax a little. The truth is that if you find yourself a Canon owner in this forum defending your camera or posting links to OTHER opinions that help support your decision, you might want to ask yourself WHY. This IS the Nikon forum. Many of us have heavy investments in glass. That means we have to go with the ebbs and flows and not abandon a system just because Canon or Sony have a brief period of better products. Right now is a FLOW moment for Nikon as they've taken a small lead. Canon will answer back...and EVERYONE who enjoys taking photos will benefit.
Happy Holidays,
Thomas (Lord Nikon)
