Coming to the end of GAS - Some random thoughts

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tldr; GAS is real, and what you have is good enough

I have always known that I like to shoot hybrid ie. hiqh quality photos and videos. I have also known that I wanted one small camera to do it so that I can take my setup anywhere. I am an enthusiast and not a pro, so my "wants" are different than the "needs" of the pro. That description puts me at odds with a lot of people on this forum, but I am ok with it, because I have learned a lot here.

I started with an EOS M3 22mm and 50200 and moved on to m43, GX85 and 1232, combos I appreciate a lot more today than I did then. Neither system gave me that look that warranted all the money I spent on gear back then. I then moved to the a7c and then the a6700 but I found the core of what I wanted in the A7CR and 50GMf1.2. I wanted it Leica sized, but the pictures were easy to make and looked professional and it is the core of what I want when I do photography. As a side note, that lens also does well in low light video, especially when it is high action sports.

So the only question is what do I get to compliment it? I knew I needed a zoom and always preferred 10x, got the 24-240, 2070G, 70350G, the Twins, and a few others. But came to the conclusion I wanted a 10x that went to 300mm. That lens wasn't available for FF until the Tamron 28300. Shoots good enough photos, that I can clean them up in post, and great video, so that was done. I wish it was a Sony and had more buttons, but it is the best I can get today.

I also knew I viewed the world at 24mm (from my time with the lumix 1232 zoom), so used the Rokinon 24/2.8, Sony 35/1.8, 28/2,50/1.8, 20/1.8, some manual focus lenses, etc... But things didn't click until I got the 24GM. Now things look the way I want, the weight is less than the 50GM, and it handles better on the a7cr. It isn't as small as I would like but otherwise I am glad I have it especially in low light cramped quarters where I can't use my 50GM.

Lastly I discovered a love for wide angle with the 1020pz on my a6700, but rarely do I want to shoot at 15mm, but when I want that look I have to have it. 20mm isn't wide enough (20mm and 35mm are like no mans land for lenses for me). So I am going to hold on to the 1020pz until the first of the year to gauge how much I use it and/or want to use, and then will either stop buying glass or get the 14GM or the 1625G.

But that's it. I know I don't want/need anything else because I have tried so many lenses that I know when it is right. It is funny because if I could only have two lenses, logic says get the 50GM and the FE24240, but reality keeps pointing me back to the 24GM and the Tamron 28300.

So what's the point of all this besides my having a brain dump? I realized that if I just add a flash to any of these lenses, I get more than good enough pictures. And that the differences in glass is so minor as to not be worth the time/investment other than educating one's self, and realizing at the end that you always had what you needed. If money is an issue, make sure you have explored using a flash with your slow lens. You can really do a lot of things, and simplify your experience, with an f8 zoom and flash or sunlight.
 
I'm woefully under-skilled at using a flash, but I don't think I'd enjoy doing so for most of what I shoot TBH... I'm open to hearing reasons why I'm wrong, but at events and social occasions it's just downright unwelcome if not barred, and for other types of photography (UWA/long) it seems ineffective... I've known what I like for a good while tho, I actually love your no man's land (20/35) and I like shooting at the extremes (16/17mm, 400mm+) in certain areas and places.

Knowing what I like hasn't stopped me from tinkering endlessly with my prime kit (mostly at the wide end), but I do feel like the two zooms I own are it for the the foreseeable future. I hate the term GAS tho, I know it's tongue in cheek here which is totally fine... Some people get really stiff about the whole thing and really in other people's business about their wallet and that's always rubbed me wrong, specially on a gear leaning forum, what else are we gonna be discussing?

Glad you found your ideal trio tho, it makes perfect sense to me! 24+50+50-300 covers a ton of bases with the cropping leeway of each of those. With the press or a button you've basically got 35/2 & 75/1.8 in between those and 450mm at the long end. I shoot UWA a ton so I like having a zoom, and I've wanted a fast UWA for astro and as a 20G alternative, but I sometimes wonder if I wouldn't shoot even more if I had a smaller UWA option...

I don't really wanna go down to a crop lens, tho the 10-18/2.8 is tempting, but something like the 17/4 DN or CV 21/3.5 (instead of my 24G) or 15/4.5 keeps pulling at me... That and the Viltrox 16/1.8 are the only things I've looked at in almost a year though (since I traded my 17-28 for the 17-50), and before that it'd been a year since I'd gotten my 135/1.8. Pay no attention to the 28/4.5 waiting for me at home when I'm back from my current trip. :p
 
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Don't kid ourself. GAS never ends.

;-)
hehehehe... One day at a time. :)
Remission is not a cure…

A
heheheh! Let's hope for a long remission! :)
As a fellow sufferer, the 16-35/4 PZ, CV 35/2 APO Lanthar and 28-60 kit are all out there, scratching to be let in. The V-AF 100mm Cine T2.3 is tempting as a light and short tele. Only one review but it’s positive.

Fortunately, I have no ambition for a light FE tele.

Andrew
 
I'm woefully under-skilled at using a flash, but I don't think I'd enjoy doing so for most of what I shoot TBH...
That's what I thought. Then I saw how it really changed the look of my photography.
I'm open to hearing reasons why I'm wrong, but at events and social occasions it's just downright unwelcome if not barred, and for other types of photography (UWA/long) it seems ineffective...
Some thoughts on this...

I use my flash where ever I want until someone tells me not to, and that almost never happens. I am good enough at reading a room to know when I should stop or slow down, but I am almost never told no.

I don't use flash during performances or during athletics as it could affect the people performing.

As for being ineffective, it depends on your environment, how strong your flash is, the modifier, and how well it works with your camera. The Sony has HVL-28RM is one heck of a flash for $200 or so, and when I can use iso 100 and any of Sony's modern lenses the output is great. I even use flash for 300mm shots where I point the light directly at the subject that's across the room.

And bouncing flash off the ceiling will take care of some of the wider lenses (I do see limitations with the 16mm side of things, but the HVL-28RM isn't the strongest flash).

I've known what I like for a good while tho, I actually love your no man's land (20/35) and I like shooting at the extremes (16/17mm, 400mm+) in certain areas and places.
I forgot to add the 85. Logically that is an IDEAL 3 piece prime set up (20/35/85) but I can do almost all my shooting with a 24mm and when I want to get a certain look a 50mm can get me there. But I never use the 85. If I needed another prime or two it would be a fast FF 16mm, but since Sony doesn't make one it has to be the 14GM. And I would also like to use the 135GM on the long end of the prime, but only if they make one that will use the TCL. Until then I am sticking with the 28300.

I, like you, enjoy shooting on the extremes when it completes the story.
Knowing what I like hasn't stopped me from tinkering endlessly with my prime kit (mostly at the wide end), but I do feel like the two zooms I own are it for the the foreseeable future.
I agree, I thought long and hard about getting your 1750/4 and 50400, but it just wasn't right for me. The 1635pz and 24240 is the closest I would have come using Sony's gear. But really using the 28300 and the 24240 with a flash and shot at iso 100, I don't have much to complain about with the end results.
 
Don't kid ourself. GAS never ends.

;-)
hehehehe... One day at a time. :)
Remission is not a cure…

A
heheheh! Let's hope for a long remission! :)
As a fellow sufferer, the 16-35/4 PZ, CV 35/2 APO Lanthar and 28-60 kit are all out there, scratching to be let in. The V-AF 100mm Cine T2.3 is tempting as a light and short tele. Only one review but it’s positive.

Fortunately, I have no ambition for a light FE tele.
If CV ever releases a 28mm I'll find it hard to resist... I've already rationalized it'd be a good FL alternative to my 35GM in addition to a shooting style & look alternative, heh. I'm still curious about that 100mm T2.3, idk why nobody else I trust besides Chris Frost has reviewed it. TBH I should probably stick with my SY 75/135 and the old FD 135/3.5 until something close to the latter materializes.

My biggest issue is making use of my less used lenses, stuff I like but just don't get to bring along on a trip often (eg the 11/4.5, that very 135/3.5, even the cheap TTartisan 50/2). I'm not in any hurry to sell them (not that $$), I've enjoyed them when I've used them, but the way I carry my kit most often means I'm either using my typical 20/35/75 trio or I'm using my backpack to bring along the 50-400. Sometimes I swap 35/75 for 45/135, or step down to two smaller primes...

I guess it's really my bags or habits that need some rethinking. My 10L Sling seems ideal to carry that 4th bonus lens without the bulk of the backpack but I've stopped traveling with it, hmm...
 
Don't kid ourself. GAS never ends.

;-)
hehehehe... One day at a time. :)
Remission is not a cure…

A
heheheh! Let's hope for a long remission! :)
As a fellow sufferer, the 16-35/4 PZ, CV 35/2 APO Lanthar and 28-60 kit are all out there, scratching to be let in. The V-AF 100mm Cine T2.3 is tempting as a light and short tele. Only one review but it’s positive.

Fortunately, I have no ambition for a light FE tele.
If CV ever releases a 28mm I'll find it hard to resist... I've already rationalized it'd be a good FL alternative to my 35GM in addition to a shooting style & look alternative, heh. I'm still curious about that 100mm T2.3, idk why nobody else I trust besides Chris Frost has reviewed it. TBH I should probably stick with my SY 75/135 and the old FD 135/3.5 until something close to the latter materializes.

My biggest issue is making use of my less used lenses, stuff I like but just don't get to bring along on a trip often (eg the 11/4.5, that very 135/3.5, even the cheap TTartisan 50/2). I'm not in any hurry to sell them (not that $$), I've enjoyed them when I've used them, but the way I carry my kit most often means I'm either using my typical 20/35/75 trio or I'm using my backpack to bring along the 50-400. Sometimes I swap 35/75 for 45/135, or step down to two smaller primes...

I guess it's really my bags or habits that need some rethinking. My 10L Sling seems ideal to carry that 4th bonus lens without the bulk of the backpack but I've stopped traveling with it, hmm...
Or as I like to say your lifestyle. How you integrate your camera into your everyday life. I actually bought a Pelican case to store my glass (when I thought I was going to get the GM zoom trinity), and then came to earth and realize I need my 10x zoom, my fast wide, and portrait lens. Everything else would be gravy after that...
To that end, I have the WotanCraft 10L bag. It is pretty slick, but it has some things about it that make it hard to live with. Matter of fact that bag is why I didn't go with the logically better set up of using the 50-400. It is just too big, and even the 50300 was bigger than I liked.
I am at a point where I can just grab my one camera bag, and I know everything I need is in there. With room for a few snacks/water bottle/antiacids/backup battery/tablet. I can stow it under the seat of a plane, so my gear is always with me on a flight.

Once I simplified my lifestyle, it was easier to slow down on the GAS.
 
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I'm woefully under-skilled at using a flash, but I don't think I'd enjoy doing so for most of what I shoot TBH...
That's what I thought. Then I saw how it really changed the look of my photography.
I'm open to hearing reasons why I'm wrong, but at events and social occasions it's just downright unwelcome if not barred, and for other types of photography (UWA/long) it seems ineffective...
Some thoughts on this...

I use my flash where ever I want until someone tells me not to, and that almost never happens. I am good enough at reading a room to know when I should stop or slow down, but I am almost never told no.
I don't use flash during performances or during athletics as it could affect the people performing.
As for being ineffective, it depends on your environment, how strong your flash is, the modifier, and how well it works with your camera. The Sony has HVL-28RM is one heck of a flash for $200 or so, and when I can use iso 100 and any of Sony's modern lenses the output is great. I even use flash for 300mm shots where I point the light directly at the subject that's across the room.
And bouncing flash off the ceiling will take care of some of the wider lenses (I do see limitations with the 16mm side of things, but the HVL-28RM isn't the strongest flash).
I've known what I like for a good while tho, I actually love your no man's land (20/35) and I like shooting at the extremes (16/17mm, 400mm+) in certain areas and places.
I forgot to add the 85. Logically that is an IDEAL 3 piece prime set up (20/35/85) but I can do almost all my shooting with a 24mm and when I want to get a certain look a 50mm can get me there. But I never use the 85. If I needed another prime or two it would be a fast FF 16mm, but since Sony doesn't make one it has to be the 14GM. And I would also like to use the 135GM on the long end of the prime, but only if they make one that will use the TCL. Until then I am sticking with the 28300.

I, like you, enjoy shooting on the extremes when it completes the story.
Have you looked at the Viltrox 16/1.8? I know you prefer Sony whenever possible but optically and mechanically it seems as close to a Sony as anything any other 3rd party makes (aperture wheel, 2 buttons which can be used for focus pulls, useful screen, etc.), it's my only big wishlist item right now and the only reason I've not jumped on it is because A) no time to drive out for astro lately and B) not sure how I'd like a 16-35 gap; but I'm not getting rid of the 20G so idk, for the price I wouldn't be mad if I only ended up using it for astro.

The 14GM is somewhat smaller and lighter though, OTOH the Viltrox can take filters... The FL difference is very significant, on a prime I'd hope to use for other stuff besides astro I think I like 16mm better, for astro and/or as a complement to 24mm I think 14mm could work better though. You can keep the 10-20G for portability and versatility, kinda complementary in a way... Whereas with the 16-25 there's a chance you'd just the up using it as a 16mm and reverting to the 24mm when you want more isolation.

Only reason I feel so comfortable pointing at the Viltrox without having used it is because so many reviewers I trust quickly reached the same consensus on it, that's rare... From PhillipReeve to Dustin Abbott to Optical Limits they all had pretty much the same thing to say about it.
 
Don't kid ourself. GAS never ends.

;-)
hehehehe... One day at a time. :)
Remission is not a cure…

A
heheheh! Let's hope for a long remission! :)
As a fellow sufferer, the 16-35/4 PZ, CV 35/2 APO Lanthar and 28-60 kit are all out there, scratching to be let in. The V-AF 100mm Cine T2.3 is tempting as a light and short tele. Only one review but it’s positive.

Fortunately, I have no ambition for a light FE tele.
If CV ever releases a 28mm I'll find it hard to resist... I've already rationalized it'd be a good FL alternative to my 35GM in addition to a shooting style & look alternative, heh. I'm still curious about that 100mm T2.3, idk why nobody else I trust besides Chris Frost has reviewed it. TBH I should probably stick with my SY 75/135 and the old FD 135/3.5 until something close to the latter materializes.

My biggest issue is making use of my less used lenses, stuff I like but just don't get to bring along on a trip often (eg the 11/4.5, that very 135/3.5, even the cheap TTartisan 50/2). I'm not in any hurry to sell them (not that $$), I've enjoyed them when I've used them, but the way I carry my kit most often means I'm either using my typical 20/35/75 trio or I'm using my backpack to bring along the 50-400. Sometimes I swap 35/75 for 45/135, or step down to two smaller primes...

I guess it's really my bags or habits that need some rethinking. My 10L Sling seems ideal to carry that 4th bonus lens without the bulk of the backpack but I've stopped traveling with it, hmm...
Or as I like to say your lifestyle. How you integrate your camera into your everyday life. I actually bought a Pelican case to store my glass (when I thought I was going to get the GM zoom trinity), and then came to earth and realize I need my 10x zoom, my fast wide, and portrait lens. Everything else would be gravy after that...
To that end, I have the WotanCraft 10L bag. It is pretty slick, but it has some things about it that make it hard to live with. Matter of fact that bag is why I didn't go with the logically better set up of using the 50-400. It is just too big, and even the 50300 was bigger than I liked.
I am at a point where I can just grab my one camera bag, and I know everything I need is in there. With room for a few snacks/water bottle/antiacids/backup battery/tablet. I can stow it under the seat of a plane, so my gear is always with me on a flight.

Once I simplified my lifestyle, it was easier to slow down on the GAS.
My 20L backpack goes under plane seats just fine, for whatever reason I just don't end up using it wherever I go unless I'm using the 50-400, probably because when I travel I throw a bunch of stuff on it that I don't wanna carry everywhere, particularly my glasses... I tend to travel with an Rx pair of sunglasses and one without Rx for when I wear contacts, and I wear contacts on the trip so I store my Rx glasses in the bag as well...

I should figure out how to pull all that stuff out quicker. Maybe instead of or in addition to multiple cases I bag it all together in a drawstring bag or something, hmm. Definitely something to think about... Most of the time I use my 6L Sling, with 3 primes, and that doesn't afford me room for much extra. The other thing I could definitely do is leave my 10L Sling at the destination where I'm traveling to the most right now, useful brainstorming here thanks.

I used to travel with that 10L bag as my personal item instead of the 20L backpack but I bought the latter for the 50-400 and it just seemed so much more convenient (for travel rather than photography), then I started putting the 6L inside my carry on... Seemed ideal at first but it's a little less flexible how I've ended up using them.
 
Don't kid ourself. GAS never ends.

;-)
hehehehe... One day at a time. :)
Remission is not a cure…

A
heheheh! Let's hope for a long remission! :)
As a fellow sufferer, the 16-35/4 PZ, CV 35/2 APO Lanthar and 28-60 kit are all out there, scratching to be let in. The V-AF 100mm Cine T2.3 is tempting as a light and short tele. Only one review but it’s positive.

Fortunately, I have no ambition for a light FE tele.

Andrew
I can vouch for the 16-35 f4 PZ. Really nice lens.
 
Once I simplified my lifestyle, it was easier to slow down on the GAS.
My 20L backpack goes under plane seats just fine, for whatever reason I just don't end up using it wherever I go unless I'm using the 50-400, probably because when I travel I throw a bunch of stuff on it that I don't wanna carry everywhere, particularly my glasses... I tend to travel with an Rx pair of sunglasses and one without Rx for when I wear contacts, and I wear contacts on the trip so I store my Rx glasses in the bag as well...
That 50-400 is a monster to carry around, other wise it is the long lens I would use.
I should figure out how to pull all that stuff out quicker.
My biggest complaint about the Wotancraft. It holds everything, but it is not easy to access everything. At this stage, I am thinking it is me, but time will tell.
Maybe instead of or in addition to multiple cases I bag it all together in a drawstring bag or something, hmm. Definitely something to think about... Most of the time I use my 6L Sling, with 3 primes, and that doesn't afford me room for much extra. The other thing I could definitely do is leave my 10L Sling at the destination where I'm traveling to the most right now, useful brainstorming here thanks.

I used to travel with that 10L bag as my personal item instead of the 20L backpack but I bought the latter for the 50-400 and it just seemed so much more convenient (for travel rather than photography), then I started putting the 6L inside my carry on... Seemed ideal at first but it's a little less flexible how I've ended up using them.
I do something similar. I take my 10L, and my overnight bag, and put a empty smaller bag in luggage, so that when I am out and about I can take what I need for that day. Usually that's the body, a prime, flash, rocket blower, cloth, and then a second lens depending on what I want to shoot that day.

My last outings showed me the 3 lenses I have kept would have served me well.
 
Once I simplified my lifestyle, it was easier to slow down on the GAS.
My 20L backpack goes under plane seats just fine, for whatever reason I just don't end up using it wherever I go unless I'm using the 50-400, probably because when I travel I throw a bunch of stuff on it that I don't wanna carry everywhere, particularly my glasses... I tend to travel with an Rx pair of sunglasses and one without Rx for when I wear contacts, and I wear contacts on the trip so I store my Rx glasses in the bag as well...
That 50-400 is a monster to carry around, other wise it is the long lens I would use.
It rides fine on the bottom of that PD 20L backpack (horizontally, takes up less than 1/3rd of the bag), it's definitely not an everyday carry (I'd use the 135/1.8 or 135/3.5 if I want a longer tele in my 6L Sling, or something like the 50-300 if I had a need for 201-300) but I'm really comfortable with it's size and weight for what it is. It's definitely nice to have this many options, some systems barely have one lower end 70-300 and one high end (possibly heavier) 100-400 and that's it, I still wish we had more compact tele options tbh but I'm very glad for what E mount has by comparison.
 
Putting a meh lens, i.e. superzoom, in front of a top sensor is not going to satisfy you for long and GAS attacks will return....;-)
 
I have convinced myself that I have everything I need, but GAS reminds me about everything I want.
 
Putting a meh lens, i.e. superzoom, in front of a top sensor is not going to satisfy you for long and GAS attacks will return....;-)
I would agree if I didn't have better glass. But the super zoom is primarily for video, which it is really good at producing. And occasionally for photos when my good glass can't reach.
 

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