Cmos processing versus CCD processiong?

[Jason Stoller]

I have a 1D which of course has a CCD sensor. I am getting a 1D MK11. What I am wondering is if there is a big difference in proccessing the image taken from a Cmos sensor when compared to a CCD type sensor?

Thanks
Jason

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[Desafinado]

I have a 1D which of course has a CCD sensor. I am getting a 1D
MK11. What I am wondering is if there is a big difference in
proccessing the image taken from a Cmos sensor when compared to a
CCD type sensor?

You won't get the responsiveness that you're used to with the 1D. CMOS images are a bit sluggish.

 

[dnjake]

The big difference is in how information is collected from the pixels. Charge coupled devices (ccd's) are built from semiconductors that transfer charge from pixel to pixel with very little loss as the charge is transfered. The whole process of reading the sensor is a serial one and their is no way to access individual pixels. In contrast for cmos sensors, individual pixels are directly addressable and read individually through the use of transitiors constructed from CMOS technology. Since the pixels are read individually, it is possible to read different ones in parallel and one of the advantages of CMOS technology is the fact that reading the sensor can be made fast.

People make too much out of the difference in technology. While there are a number of characteristics that tend to be associated with the different technologies, there is a large potential for variation depending on the specific design. Canon clearly has gone down the road of developing expertise in designing and manufacturing sensors from CMOS technology. Their track record is probably a better indicator of what to expect that any generic characteritics that people associate with the technologies.
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David Jacobson

 

[Desafinado]

I use both extensively, and there is a difference. Images derived from the 1D are more sensitive, more responsive to tweaking, I don't know why. They also seem to have more latitude in how far you can go, and still retain high quality. I know the CMOS images are more heavily pre-processed in camera, but I don't think that's the whole story.

 

[Masterdeath]

What CMOS camera are you comparing it too?
Hopefully not the D60, 10D or 300D...

The main reason the 1D is like that because its incamera procession is much better then the lower canon bodies.. If you are talking about the 1Ds, then I dont know what you are talking about by saying more sensitive?

I use both extensively, and there is a difference. Images derived
from the 1D are more sensitive, more responsive to tweaking, I
don't know why. They also seem to have more latitude in how far you
can go, and still retain high quality. I know the CMOS images are
more heavily pre-processed in camera, but I don't think that's the
whole story.

 

[Ned-B]

Hi Jason,

I just came back from the WPPI show in Las Vegas and asked the very same question of Chuck Westfall who I've known and respected for many years. (And to put this in perspective, he knew I'd shot with the D30, D60 and currently was using the 1D)

Ned's Ques:

"My images off the 1D need very little processing and many times for my event shots I don't even have to apply any USM. How will my workflow change with the Mark II?"

Chuck's Reply:

After initial joke about my being a better surfer than photographer, Chuck said "you will probably need to use USM more often than you experienced with the 1D, but the Mark II will need much less post processing than your D30 or D60".

As an aside, the new DPP RAW software with it's add and apply "recipes" and other features looks like it could finally be the software we've been expecting Canon to deliver for some time.

Hope this helps,
Ned

I have a 1D which of course has a CCD sensor. I am getting a 1D
MK11. What I am wondering is if there is a big difference in
proccessing the image taken from a Cmos sensor when compared to a
CCD type sensor?

Thanks
Jason

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Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!

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Ned
http://www.bunnellphotography.com

 

[Jason Stoller]

Ned, I really appreciate your comments. I also have a great deal of respect for Chuck and his knowledge. I Shoot a lot of sports in poor lighting conditions, as well as Models under studio lights, Wildlife, Landscapes and more. I was concerned how the processiong time compared because of the volume of images I take and the dreaded editing time. For example, at Model Expo 2004 in Chicago I shot 2323 frames in a two day period. I sort of wanted to know what I was in for.

Jason

I just came back from the WPPI show in Las Vegas and asked the very
same question of Chuck Westfall who I've known and respected for
many years. (And to put this in perspective, he knew I'd shot with
the D30, D60 and currently was using the 1D)

Ned's Ques:
"My images off the 1D need very little processing and many times
for my event shots I don't even have to apply any USM. How will my
workflow change with the Mark II?"

Chuck's Reply:
After initial joke about my being a better surfer than
photographer, Chuck said "you will probably need to use USM more
often than you experienced with the 1D, but the Mark II will need
much less post processing than your D30 or D60".

As an aside, the new DPP RAW software with it's add and apply
"recipes" and other features looks like it could finally be the
software we've been expecting Canon to deliver for some time.

Hope this helps,
Ned

I have a 1D which of course has a CCD sensor. I am getting a 1D
MK11. What I am wondering is if there is a big difference in
proccessing the image taken from a Cmos sensor when compared to a
CCD type sensor?

Thanks
Jason

--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!

--
Ned
http://www.bunnellphotography.com

--
Jason Stoller [email protected]

We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their new products!

 

[Ned-B]

Jason, my pleasure and yep, Chuck's a great asset to Canon. As I also shoot alot of events and weddings (1000+ images a day), you might also appreciate this. Up until now, I've been a big fan of Breezebrowser as it's fast and simple for RAW conversions and Chuck's aware of that. After I sat through two demos of the new DPP software, he suggested I should check out the batch processing and "apply recipe" feature (I always have groups of photos within a days shoot that need different conversions for lighting etc.). He suggested batch processing is quite fast and although the code in this first release was not optimized for dual processors, running on a dual G-5 system does show a noticeable increase in performance.
Regards,
Ned

Jason

I just came back from the WPPI show in Las Vegas and asked the very
same question of Chuck Westfall who I've known and respected for
many years. (And to put this in perspective, he knew I'd shot with
the D30, D60 and currently was using the 1D)

Ned's Ques:
"My images off the 1D need very little processing and many times
for my event shots I don't even have to apply any USM. How will my
workflow change with the Mark II?"

Chuck's Reply:
After initial joke about my being a better surfer than
photographer, Chuck said "you will probably need to use USM more
often than you experienced with the 1D, but the Mark II will need
much less post processing than your D30 or D60".

As an aside, the new DPP RAW software with it's add and apply
"recipes" and other features looks like it could finally be the
software we've been expecting Canon to deliver for some time.

Hope this helps,
Ned

I have a 1D which of course has a CCD sensor. I am getting a 1D
MK11. What I am wondering is if there is a big difference in
proccessing the image taken from a Cmos sensor when compared to a
CCD type sensor?

Thanks
Jason

--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!

--
Ned
http://www.bunnellphotography.com

--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!

--
Ned
http://www.bunnellphotography.com