Bionz XR - finally!!!!!!!!!!!

[panther fan]

The press text of a german news outlet just leaked

German Sony A7sIII press text leaked: Price is 4200 Euro! | sonyalpharumors

Preorders: Sony A7sIII in USA at Adorama ($200 off with lens), BHphoto, Amazon. Sony A7sIII in EU at Fotokoch. Calumet DE. WexUK. Nokishita leaked the full German press text. Here is the google translated text: Almost five years after the Alpha 7S II, Sony launched the successor: The Alpha 7S...

www.sonyalpharumors.com

And while the A7S III might be big news for video people there is also huge news for all general Sony shooters:

"The sensor is supported by the new BIONZ-XR processor, which is said to have eight times as much computing power as the previous image processor."

We finally have a new processor!

Just now? didn't Sony update the processor regularly?

No, they actually didn't and still use the same Bionz X they used in the very first A7. There were basically two generations of Sony cameras

-Original Bionz: A7, A7S, A7R, A7II, A7S II, A7R II

-Same Bionz Updated Front End LSI: A9, A99 II, A7 III, A7R III, A7R IV, A9 II

What can we expect from that?

Sony has currently a ton of processing limitations with the current processor. Even though they did an amazing job squeezing the last bit of performance out of the old one with every new generation. That means we could/ will see

-New video codecs / framerates. Finally, the days of the 100mbit H.264 encoder are over

-New downsampling power in camera. The old LSI could barely downsample 24MP at 30p

-Internal Pipeline speed improvements. Current cameras aren't actually limited by the card write speed but by the compression speed of the internal JPEG and RAW engine. Cameras like the A7R V and A9 III will finally be no longer limited by their JPEG engine

-Laggy interface fix. The reaction time to input will hopefully improve

-New card formats/interface

-New EVF resolution/ readout speed [The 9Million dot 0.9x EVF of the A7S III seems like a good indication]

-Fix of the viewfinder lag during AF or continuous shooting

-Maybe brought back software features [the app system left with the entrance of the new LSI] maybe now resources are left again for more gimmick features

-Probably a lot more processing headroom for future AF and AI tracking algorithms

What do you hope and expect from the new processor? And do you think that like last time Sony will use the same processor for the whole lineup of cameras?

 

[Coomer]

Will this be on par with computational photography found in current flagship phones? Thats one area digital cameras still fall behind in. Or is this just more marketing bs (as its a given that all new models have improvements)?

 

[panther fan]

Will this be on par with computational photography found in current flagship phones? Thats one area digital cameras still fall behind in. Or is this just more marketing bs (as its a given that all new models have improvements)?

"All new models have improvements"

-Well with Sony they really didn't

"Will it perform as good as smartphones?"

-No probably not, that would be too expensive

But the old Bionz X was based on a quad-core ARM Cortex A5 architecture. If the material really speaks about CPU performance and not some fixed-function hardware performance that would mean we jump from about Snapdragon 200 performance to something that is at least recently decent in smartphones

 

[DHBC]

The press text of a german news outlet just leaked

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/ger...text-leaked-price-is-4200-euro/#disqus_thread

And while the A7S III might be big news for video people there is also huge news for all general Sony shooters:

"The sensor is supported by the new BIONZ-XR processor, which is said to have eight times as much computing power as the previous image processor."

We finally have a new processor!

Just now? didn't Sony update the processor regularly?

No, they actually didn't and still use the same Bionz X they used in the very first A7. There were basically two generations of Sony cameras

-Original Bionz: A7, A7S, A7R, A7II, A7S II, A7R II

-Same Bionz Updated Front End LSI: A9, A99 II, A7 III, A7R III, A7R IV, A9 II

What can we expect from that?

Sony has currently a ton of processing limitations with the current processor. Even though they did an amazing job squeezing the last bit of performance out of the old one with every new generation. That means we could/ will see

-New video codecs / framerates. Finally, the days of the 100mbit H.264 encoder are over

-New downsampling power in camera. The old LSI could barely downsample 24MP at 30p

-Internal Pipeline speed improvements. Current cameras aren't actually limited by the card write speed but by the compression speed of the internal JPEG and RAW engine. Cameras like the A7R V and A9 III will finally be no longer limited by their JPEG engine

-Laggy interface fix. The reaction time to input will hopefully improve

-New card formats/interface

-New EVF resolution/ readout speed [The 9Million dot 0.9x EVF of the A7S III seems like a good indication]

-Fix of the viewfinder lag during AF or continuous shooting

-Maybe brought back software features [the app system left with the entrance of the new LSI] maybe now resources are left again for more gimmick features

-Probably a lot more processing headroom for future AF and AI tracking algorithms

What do you hope and expect from the new processor? And do you think that like last time Sony will use the same processor for the whole lineup of cameras?

None of those were ever a problem.

 

[panther fan]

The press text of a german news outlet just leaked

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/ger...text-leaked-price-is-4200-euro/#disqus_thread

And while the A7S III might be big news for video people there is also huge news for all general Sony shooters:

"The sensor is supported by the new BIONZ-XR processor, which is said to have eight times as much computing power as the previous image processor."

We finally have a new processor!

Just now? didn't Sony update the processor regularly?

No, they actually didn't and still use the same Bionz X they used in the very first A7. There were basically two generations of Sony cameras

-Original Bionz: A7, A7S, A7R, A7II, A7S II, A7R II

-Same Bionz Updated Front End LSI: A9, A99 II, A7 III, A7R III, A7R IV, A9 II

What can we expect from that?

Sony has currently a ton of processing limitations with the current processor. Even though they did an amazing job squeezing the last bit of performance out of the old one with every new generation. That means we could/ will see

-New video codecs / framerates. Finally, the days of the 100mbit H.264 encoder are over

-New downsampling power in camera. The old LSI could barely downsample 24MP at 30p

-Internal Pipeline speed improvements. Current cameras aren't actually limited by the card write speed but by the compression speed of the internal JPEG and RAW engine. Cameras like the A7R V and A9 III will finally be no longer limited by their JPEG engine

-Laggy interface fix. The reaction time to input will hopefully improve

-New card formats/interface

-New EVF resolution/ readout speed [The 9Million dot 0.9x EVF of the A7S III seems like a good indication]

-Fix of the viewfinder lag during AF or continuous shooting

-Maybe brought back software features [the app system left with the entrance of the new LSI] maybe now resources are left again for more gimmick features

-Probably a lot more processing headroom for future AF and AI tracking algorithms

What do you hope and expect from the new processor? And do you think that like last time Sony will use the same processor for the whole lineup of cameras?

None of those were ever a problem.

Well I disagree

 

[SafariBob]

It’s interesting, such an unexciting body, but the changes it brings to the lineup is very exciting. Makes me reconsider the a7riv, and wonder what the a7iv might bring

 

[dv312]

1) As a birder, the faster AFC the better

- Can always ask for more speed , even better than A9

- Better tracking

- Better Eye AF especially for animals (and not being fooled by the surroundings)

2) Ability to switch to different modes and do different tasks while the buffer clears (very annoying when you shoot 100+ frames and had to wait for them to clear before you can do anything else)

3) Wake up time and time to shoot can be improved

 

[DHBC]

1) As a birder, the faster AFC the better

- Can always ask for more speed , even better than A9

- Better tracking

- Better Eye AF especially for animals (and not being fooled by the surroundings)

2) Ability to switch to different modes and do different tasks while the buffer clears (very annoying when you shoot 100+ frames and had to wait for them to clear before you can do anything else)

3) Wake up time and time to shoot can be improved

What birder wouldn't be happy with 12 MP and 10 fps? I bet APSC crop mode for extra reach is amazing!

Remember those 8MP cameras in the early 2000s. This is so much better.

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It takes some Dynamic Human-based computation

 

[JohnNEX]

1) As a birder, the faster AFC the better

- Can always ask for more speed , even better than A9

- Better tracking

- Better Eye AF especially for animals (and not being fooled by the surroundings)

2) Ability to switch to different modes and do different tasks while the buffer clears (very annoying when you shoot 100+ frames and had to wait for them to clear before you can do anything else)

3) Wake up time and time to shoot can be improved

What birder wouldn't be happy with 12 MP and 10 fps? I bet APSC crop mode for extra reach is amazing!

Remember those 8MP cameras in the early 2000s. This is so much better.

This is a new user who has made a string of very similar posts over the last 36 hours.

These posts are solely intended to taunt people and incite emotional responses.

The posts are unambiguously inconsistent with dpreview's forum rules.

Do not engage with this person.

 

[DHBC]

1) As a birder, the faster AFC the better

- Can always ask for more speed , even better than A9

- Better tracking

- Better Eye AF especially for animals (and not being fooled by the surroundings)

2) Ability to switch to different modes and do different tasks while the buffer clears (very annoying when you shoot 100+ frames and had to wait for them to clear before you can do anything else)

3) Wake up time and time to shoot can be improved

What birder wouldn't be happy with 12 MP and 10 fps? I bet APSC crop mode for extra reach is amazing!

Remember those 8MP cameras in the early 2000s. This is so much better.

This is a new user who has made a string of very similar posts over the last 36 hours.

These posts are solely intended to taunt people and incite emotional responses.

The posts are unambiguously inconsistent with dpreview's forum rules

How is asking if birders want a 12 MP camera against the rules.

It was someone else who mentioned a 12MP camera for birding.

Let's be civil and avoid those personal attacks please.

.

Do not engage with this person.

 

[JohnNEX]

1) As a birder, the faster AFC the better

- Can always ask for more speed , even better than A9

- Better tracking

- Better Eye AF especially for animals (and not being fooled by the surroundings)

2) Ability to switch to different modes and do different tasks while the buffer clears (very annoying when you shoot 100+ frames and had to wait for them to clear before you can do anything else)

3) Wake up time and time to shoot can be improved

What birder wouldn't be happy with 12 MP and 10 fps? I bet APSC crop mode for extra reach is amazing!

Remember those 8MP cameras in the early 2000s. This is so much better.

This is a new user who has made a string of very similar posts over the last 36 hours.

These posts are solely intended to taunt people and incite emotional responses.

The posts are unambiguously inconsistent with dpreview's forum rules

How is asking if birders want a 12 MP camera against the rules.

It was someone else who mentioned a 12MP camera for birding.

Let's be civil and avoid those personal attacks please.

.

Do not engage with this person.

In the last four hours you have made seven comments and 15 forum posts.

Every single one has been an obvious taunt regarding the Sony A7SIII. None can be considered to be trying to engage in reasonable conversation in any way.

The posts are unambiguously inconsistent with dpreview's forum rules.

 

[Poefolk]

I see another Canon employee, DHBC, has found his way to the Sony board.

 

[Mr_Win]

I see another Canon employee, DHBC, has found his way to the Sony board.

It’s Armando Ferreira from YouTube, the ultimate Canon guy

 

[TristanW]

Yes, finally , we got a new CPU. I guess it might come from MTK/ARM chipset. Hopefully, 7nm, similar to today's modern mobile phone chipset.

Maybe with the help of new CPU, no need for a LSI chipset any more. My guess.

 

[mujana]

1) As a birder, the faster AFC the better

- Can always ask for more speed , even better than A9

- Better tracking

- Better Eye AF especially for animals (and not being fooled by the surroundings)

2) Ability to switch to different modes and do different tasks while the buffer clears (very annoying when you shoot 100+ frames and had to wait for them to clear before you can do anything else)

3) Wake up time and time to shoot can be improved

What birder wouldn't be happy with 12 MP and 10 fps? I bet APSC crop mode for extra reach is amazing!

Remember those 8MP cameras in the early 2000s. This is so much better.

Like I said. Just a few questions for you:

1. Did you make a new account / name here , or are you completely new here on DPR?

2. What camera gear do you use at the moment?

3. What are your photographic / videographic experiences?

You do seem to be very enthusiastic about the new Canon cameras. I can understand that, because they look great. Why do you care about Sony users that love their gear also? Do you have bad experiences with comments from Sony users?

Thank you.

 

[splashy]

How is it even possible so many threads end with naming and shaming for whatever reason.

Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed by the knowledge on this site BUT.

Just let it be and try to be at least a bit more constructive on this site.

"Photographers" seem a special bread it seems here, or is this the main crowd from twitter or other SMedia stream?

 

[Guito55]

To paraphrase from a famous movie: "It's the internet, Jake."

 

[mujana]

How is it even possible so many threads end with naming and shaming for whatever reason.

Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed by the knowledge on this site BUT.

Just let it be and try to be at least a bit more constructive on this site.

"Photographers" seem a special bread it seems here, or is this the main crowd from twitter or other SMedia stream?

Correct. I wonder why.

 

[pollup]

Wow, this has huge implications indeed.

So, the CPU was a major bottleneck, right? I guess they used it because it didn't drain too much battery, and now they finally have a new one that also meets the power requirements?

 

[panther fan]

Wow, this has huge implications indeed.

So, the CPU was a major bottleneck, right? I guess they used it because it didn't drain too much battery, and now they finally have a new one that also meets the power requirements?

No a newer CPU is probably more power-efficient thanks to the vast advancements in chip process technology. The old one is probably on something like a 40nm process

The reason they stuck with it for so long is that its dirt cheap. Just imagine how much money you can save if your whole lineup runs on a single type of CPU and that CPU is 7 years old.