5D Mark IV initial specs?

[Thomas Richter]

I bet the original design had the 6D as articulating and at the last moment canon decided it would add too much weight and bulk and pulled it.

I bet Canon planned an articulated display in the 6d because they expected Nikon to have one. Then the d600 came without one and they cancelled it last minute. Canons intelligence was "one off". Nikon brought it in the d750 later.

So holding back what they can, thus transferring purchase incentives into the future, the time after the digital boom, the time starting now....

I might buy a 5d iv in 2018, when prices have come down, just to get wide focus points and a high DR sensor w/o banding that Nikon already introduced in the d800, remind me, how many years ago?

Nikon in turn had no reason to work hard on lenses knowing they are the only ones with decent AF, kinda decent lenses and Sony sensors....

 

[rrccad]

I bet the original design had the 6D as articulating and at the last moment canon decided it would add too much weight and bulk and pulled it.

I bet Canon planned an articulated display in the 6d because they expected Nikon to have one. Then the d600 came without one and they cancelled it last minute. Canons intelligence was "one off". Nikon brought it in the d750 later.

I recall canon mentioning somewhere it was due to size / weight constraints, they wanted to make it as small / light as possible.

there are rumors that canon carries multiple paths camera designs to nearly "the last minute" however, they could not simply decide to change something at the last minute. the costs would be nearly impossible and/or horrendous.

 

[sobrien]

1. Nobby2016 wrote:

i have tested the 5d mk4 for 3 month now and it has some great hybrid viewfinder.

search patents from the past to get a hint...

I am amazed no one has picked up on this alleged insider comment/leak yet. If what he is implying is true it would be spectacular news.

Can't see it myself but I guess we'll know soon.

Shane

 

[JackM]

i have tested the 5d mk4 for 3 month now

 

[Jonathan Brady]

36MP would make sense in terms of competing with the D810, but Canon traditionally tries to do things differently from Nikon. 36MP would compete with their own 5DS and 5DSR which would be a bad move. It will be either 28 or 30MP. Most likely 28MP as it would strongly differentiate from both 5DS and D810.

The 5DMkiv will likely have 4K, much better dynamic range, possibly a hybrid optical/EVF finder with live histogram, and other marketing tools to make sure the camera competes strongly with D810 and without diverting sales away from 5DS.

why in blazes do people keep saying things like this like it's fact??

Because when you repeat something often enough, and with the proper amount of authority, it becomes true.

Plan B is to simply refer to "many people" saying something (so it must be true), a la, Donald Trump.

 

[ttran88]

This camera will also come with dual pixel, upping the performance found in the 80D and new 1DX flagship. Taking away MILC live view performance benefit is a big step for Canon's DSLR lineup. Nikon has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Will keep a large number of Canon shooters from picking up an A7 camera for video. Will be a good release for Canon.

 

[rrccad]

36MP would make sense in terms of competing with the D810, but Canon traditionally tries to do things differently from Nikon. 36MP would compete with their own 5DS and 5DSR which would be a bad move. It will be either 28 or 30MP. Most likely 28MP as it would strongly differentiate from both 5DS and D810.

The 5DMkiv will likely have 4K, much better dynamic range, possibly a hybrid optical/EVF finder with live histogram, and other marketing tools to make sure the camera competes strongly with D810 and without diverting sales away from 5DS.

why in blazes do people keep saying things like this like it's fact??

Because when you repeat something often enough, and with the proper amount of authority, it becomes true.

Plan B is to simply refer to "many people" saying something (so it must be true), a la, Donald Trump.

about the same eh?

I doubt canon really cares if you purchase a 5Ds versus a 5D mark IV. as long as you purchase a canon high end camera system.

 

[rrccad]

This camera will also come with dual pixel, upping the performance found in the 80D and new 1DX flagship. Taking away MILC live view performance benefit is a big step for Canon's DSLR lineup. Nikon has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Will keep a large number of Canon shooters from picking up an A7 camera for video. Will be a good release for Canon.

if they augment the 5D Mark IV with some sort of EVF it could be interesting to see.

however without at least the hotshoe EVF, or better, the hybrid OVF/EVF .. it's at least one generation from where things should be.

 

[rrccad]

i have tested the 5d mk4 for 3 month now and it has some great hybrid viewfinder.

search patents from the past to get a hint...

proof? pm even hazy cell phone pic?

here's the patent app in case anyone's interested. canon's been working on this since 2014.

https://www4.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/...013929962890272EF7CEB4EA762071CC13C7C23D87B1A

Edit again..

well even more interesting is that was alread submitted to the US patent office.

http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20160037090

I've seen in the past where once it hits the US office as far as patent application, canon at times will release the camera with the tech.

the reason being is that the date of filing, sets the priority date of the patent for canon, and if they are 100% confident it'll pass through, that's good enough for them.

 

[Thomas Richter]

I bet the original design had the 6D as articulating and at the last moment canon decided it would add too much weight and bulk and pulled it.

I bet Canon planned an articulated display in the 6d because they expected Nikon to have one. Then the d600 came without one and they cancelled it last minute. Canons intelligence was "one off". Nikon brought it in the d750 later.

I recall canon mentioning somewhere it was due to size / weight constraints, they wanted to make it as small / light as possible.

there are rumors that canon carries multiple paths camera designs to nearly "the last minute" however, they could not simply decide to change something at the last minute. the costs would be nearly impossible and/or horrendous.

A pretext perhaps, or maybe not. We will never know.

Personally I would guess that Canon engineers are well able to predict the exact size and weight for the added hinge from the first CAD design. They have been doing such designs for a long time in the powershot line.

 

[zsd101]

following this thread closely.

did they mention fps?

Did you click on the link provided by the OP? ;-)

Yes, and no, no mention of fps for stills; just for video. ;-)

Could be interesting days ahead.

 

[MayaTlab0]

This camera will also come with dual pixel, upping the performance found in the 80D and new 1DX flagship. Taking away MILC live view performance benefit is a big step for Canon's DSLR lineup. Nikon has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Will keep a large number of Canon shooters from picking up an A7 camera for video. Will be a good release for Canon.

if they augment the 5D Mark IV with some sort of EVF it could be interesting to see.

however without at least the hotshoe EVF, or better, the hybrid OVF/EVF .. it's at least one generation from where things should be.

Agreed. Good live view (including, since the 80D, good live view AF performance and some embryo of a decent continuous AF) and an hybrid viewfinder would be a potent synergy that would maximise Canon's competitive advantage vs. Nikon in Liveview.

 

[rrccad]

This camera will also come with dual pixel, upping the performance found in the 80D and new 1DX flagship. Taking away MILC live view performance benefit is a big step for Canon's DSLR lineup. Nikon has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Will keep a large number of Canon shooters from picking up an A7 camera for video. Will be a good release for Canon.

if they augment the 5D Mark IV with some sort of EVF it could be interesting to see.

however without at least the hotshoe EVF, or better, the hybrid OVF/EVF .. it's at least one generation from where things should be.

Agreed. Good live view (including, since the 80D, good live view AF performance and some embryo of a decent continuous AF) and an hybrid viewfinder would be a potent synergy that would maximise Canon's competitive advantage vs. Nikon in Liveview.

a hybrid viewfinder and complete AFMA would go a long way to remove any purported interest in MILC's for most people.

 

[ttran88]

This camera will also come with dual pixel, upping the performance found in the 80D and new 1DX flagship. Taking away MILC live view performance benefit is a big step for Canon's DSLR lineup. Nikon has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Will keep a large number of Canon shooters from picking up an A7 camera for video. Will be a good release for Canon.

if they augment the 5D Mark IV with some sort of EVF it could be interesting to see.

however without at least the hotshoe EVF, or better, the hybrid OVF/EVF .. it's at least one generation from where things should be.

Agreed. Good live view (including, since the 80D, good live view AF performance and some embryo of a decent continuous AF) and an hybrid viewfinder would be a potent synergy that would maximise Canon's competitive advantage vs. Nikon in Liveview.

a hybrid viewfinder and complete AFMA would go a long way to remove any purported interest in MILC's for most people.

These features are more realistic and smart on Canon's side than to release a FF mirror less camera. Fingers crossed.

 

[Oilman]

Other than video, and assuming no significant increases in DR or high ISO performance, what is the compelling reason to upgrade from the 5D3?

If we assume these specs are correct, this looks like a small incremental upgrade to me.

Comments?

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[Christopher D Mann]

is a marketing mistake. This isn't a camera I will buy anyway but I want to see Canon having a successful launch so they can get that 120 MP camera out the door.

I am sure it will be popular among hardcore Canon fans especially if they get the DR right.

first sign that the Japanese wall which is Canon preventing leaks has been breached? perhaps?

30MP
compact flash
24/30fps @ 4k
120fps 1080
240fps 720
USB 3.0
cable release, more touchscreen UI, ergonomic changes..

http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-specifications-and-image/

there was an image, it was pulled .. however it certainly showed a unique Canon camera pentaprism housing.

30MP makes alot of sense IMO

the rest of the specs are no brainers.
now what did they put into that pentaprism housing to make it that much bigger?

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Once you've done fifty, everything else is iffy.

This camera is way underspecced if the initial specs are as listed. Canon's 5 series cameras should have superior video specs and performance to their 1 series. Not having CFast and 4K 60P is probably one strike, not having CLOG will be another. The A7III will wipe them out entirely during the next upgrade cycle given that the 5D4 won't be refreshed for 3 years if this is the case in both Megapixel and feature counts.

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[Jonathan Brady]

Other than video, and assuming no significant increases in DR or high ISO performance, what is the compelling reason to upgrade from the 5D3?

If we assume these specs are correct, this looks like a small incremental upgrade to me.

Comments?

Comments... Well...

I believe your assumptions are wrong.

And I also believe we should wait until not only are the full spec lists released but also at least the "hands on" reviews are in before we do exactly what NUMEROUS people did when the 5D Mark III came out (saying there was no compelling reason to upgrade). Finally, I think we should tattoo across our foreheads that everyone has different motivations to upgrade and different upgrade cycles from ourselves, and perhaps we shouldn't force our negativity on others.

...for a start...

 

[rrccad]

Other than video, and assuming no significant increases in DR or high ISO performance, what is the compelling reason to upgrade from the 5D3?

If we assume these specs are correct, this looks like a small incremental upgrade to me.

well, considering it's a 10,000 foot level rumor with limited data.. here's my theories on what it should get.

better sensor (probably - taking into account the 1DX Mark II sensor) should be around 1-2 EV more DR if that's your thing .. if you include the fact of the banding that the 5D Mark III has.

improved AF (assuming it gets the 1DX Mark II AF)

better framerate (a guess based upon prior rumors)

and 24-30mp allows for 11% more cropping, or NR.

there's also theories that it will include wifi or gps,etc,etc.. but really .. it's hard to say one way or another when photographically all we are told is 30MP.

 

[Landscapeforfun]

There was a strong rumor about a month ago that the 5d4 would have a DSLR first as well. If it turns out it be a hybrid viewfinder or something like that along with lots of incremental upgrades then that would be worth it to a lot of people.

 

[JackM]

Other than video, and assuming no significant increases in DR or high ISO performance, what is the compelling reason to upgrade from the 5D3?

If we assume these specs are correct, this looks like a small incremental upgrade to me.

Comments?

It sounds like you haven't been paying attention to recent Canon developments in other market segments. The 1DX2 has an all new sensor with improved DR. So does the 80D. The 5D4 sensor will surely have similar architecture.

Other than that, 30mp will be a moderate but decent improvement over 22mp, and 8 or 10fps will be welcome. The robust and well damped mirror/shutter from the 7D2 will be a nice improvement. The AF advances of recent years will be there. If it has a hybrid O/EVF, that will be cool, but not a game changer. Video will be significantly better but I don't care and I don't think you do either. WiFi would be nice.

So , if the DR isn't much better, it may only be an incremental update. However I think there are two things that could make the 5D4 a quantum leap - 1, if it matches or leapfrogs the D810 for DR, and 2, if it has no AA filter.