Firmware update woth it ?

Started Jun 18, 2001 | Discussions
Ken W. Veteran Member • Posts: 3,221
Sorry, but I think you guys are imagining things.

Okay, even though I said I wouldn't, I did. I just updated my firmware! I did so based on the reports so far, regarding faster AF, faster MF and an observable improvement on the one official fix. However, before I did so, I performed some quick and unscientific tests. I tried out the MF to see how fast it worked, I did some autofocussing to see how long it took for the AF to lock and I used tv mode to see if I could notice the symptom that the fix is supposed to fix.

First, I noticed no change in the speed of the MF.
Second, I noticed no noticable improvement with the AF.

Third, I'm not sure iif the official fix made any difference as my camera seems to be working as it always has.

So, for the two unofficial improvements, I'd have to say they are due to wishful thinking. As for the official fix, I know what it is SUPPOSED to do but am not sure how it would manifest itself. Is it flickering as the camera is trying to autofocus? Does it shift in brightness once the AF has locked? What?

Anyway, I guess the only thing I can be "happy" about is that my camera is now up-to-date and didn't lock up in the process.

Ken
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Vic Icasas Regular Member • Posts: 148
Re: Sorry, but I think you guys are imagining things.

Well i guess until someone does a scientific and objective comparison of MF and AF speeds before and after the upgrade, YMMV ... but I for one am pretty certain there is a noticeable difference in AF speed.

vic

Ken wrote:

First, I noticed no change in the speed of the MF.
Second, I noticed no noticable improvement with the AF.

Rich Ballard Junior Member • Posts: 28
Re: Firmware update woth it ?

Pix Doc wrote:

The firmware upgrade took about 7 min.from download to install. You
never know what undocumented fixes this firmware took care of...
Why debate over it?

I agree. It is a simple enough process to keep the camera current. Why all of this discussion?

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kng New Member • Posts: 10
Re: Firmware update woth it ?

You are right, update is not that hard to do, manual focus is much faster !
Just do it, good for you !

kng

stu wrote:
Check this one out! see if your manual focus is any faster, mine is
about three times faster, it shoots up and down the scale a
definate improvement.

Stu

Deserthawk wrote:

Seems to be very little new in this firmware update. Is it even
worth the hassle and the risk of something going wrong ?

Dh

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sarbos Contributing Member • Posts: 902
Re: Firmware update woth it ?

Hi!

Rich B. wrote:

I agree. It is a simple enough process to keep the camera current.
Why all of this discussion?

There where some people whose G1 became frozen trying to update or after the update of the first release...

The discussion is: It's worth the update features to risk get a camera hang-up and having to send it to canon to get fixed...

I'm still wondering, but the faster manual focus is quite interesting to me, since I wanted to use it more but it was to slow for my taste, and that's not in Canon features report.

Argh!... why they just don't tell: "and other minor features updated" so we can update in peace of mind.

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sarbos Contributing Member • Posts: 902
Re: Digital Eyes Camera Timer

Hello!

Thank you WHY, that's an interesting procedure...

Would you mind in posting your results after the update?...

I think I'll try to do it this evening... (that's in 10 hours or so)...

Thanks for the link!

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Paul Waldo Regular Member • Posts: 106
Re: A call to action

I heartily agree. I have been thinking about doing this for a while now. I've been looking at Canon's website, but can't find an appropriate email address. Any idea where a message of this type can be sent and not get lost in the corporate junkpile?

Paul

Adam wrote:
It is time, that we as collective users of the G1 make it known to
Canon that we are extremely disappointed with this insulting
firmware update. Take a few minutes out to drop them an email,
call them on the phone, or write a letter expressing your
disappointment. If enough G1 users do, perhaps they will listen!

Deserthawk wrote:

Seems to be very little new in this firmware update. Is it even
worth the hassle and the risk of something going wrong ?

Dh

kaoz623 Regular Member • Posts: 182
Re: what woudl it take to make you happy?

Pix Doc wrote:

A lot of companies NEVER update a camera till a new model comes out.
I don't care if there are more updates, they are at least concerned
enough about it to post updates, and are painless to install. I say
keepem coming. Pix Doc

here here. couldnt agree more. i have upgraded, thought the camera to be fine before and it is still fine. i guess if people want to know what it is really doing to the innards of their camera someoen with a very good knowledge of programming will have to dissect the current G1 operating system then look at the firmware upgrade to understand everything that it is doing to the camera. seem like the only way to keep everyone happy.

personally i feel that it takes great pictures and it still does. indeed if you dont upgrade to the latest firmware would Canon have a right to refuse repairs, warranty stuff because you havent, now there's something for you to think about.

try and assume positive intent for what Canon are trying to do, i somehow doubt that they are trying to screw all their G1 users into the ground and i bet even if they had listed more features of the upgrade their would have still been people saying "what else is it doing" "still dont trust them" !! they cant win really can they?

Mike

mahler New Member • Posts: 1
Re: Digital Eyes Camera Timer

I did some tests using the Camera Timer program on two G1's: my friend's with firmware version 1.0.0.0 and mine with 1.0.0.2. We were not able to convince ourselves that there are noticeable differences in AF/shutter release lag between the two versions. Also MF speed seems to be the same. The only obvious difference we could constantly see is the "officially" documented LCD brightness/darkness issue in Tv mode. I'd love to be enlightened if someone finds out any undocumented changes in 1.0.0.2 as the official changes so far are not that useful to me at least.

PF

sarbos wrote:

Hello!

Thank you WHY, that's an interesting procedure...

Would you mind in posting your results after the update?...

I think I'll try to do it this evening... (that's in 10 hours or
so)...

Thanks for the link!

Adam Regular Member • Posts: 242
New Finding

If I spin my camera counter-clockwise, I hear it playing "John is dead!"

Deserthawk wrote:

Seems to be very little new in this firmware update. Is it even
worth the hassle and the risk of something going wrong ?

Dh

Brian Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: A call to action

Have you guys even done the update? What is your problem with it?

Brian

Paul Waldo wrote:
I heartily agree. I have been thinking about doing this for a
while now. I've been looking at Canon's website, but can't find an
appropriate email address. Any idea where a message of this type
can be sent and not get lost in the corporate junkpile?

Paul

Adam wrote:
It is time, that we as collective users of the G1 make it known to
Canon that we are extremely disappointed with this insulting
firmware update. Take a few minutes out to drop them an email,
call them on the phone, or write a letter expressing your
disappointment. If enough G1 users do, perhaps they will listen!

Deserthawk wrote:

Seems to be very little new in this firmware update. Is it even
worth the hassle and the risk of something going wrong ?

Dh

Terry H Junior Member • Posts: 49
UNDOCUMENTED Finding!

After doing the update I didn't notice anything except the expected fix.

Then I shot an AVI at the beach. Everything looked normal through the viewfinder. When I played the AVI, everyone was totally naked. Three cheers for Canon.

PS. We have nude beaches here, in Florida.

kaoz623 Regular Member • Posts: 182
Re: UNDOCUMENTED Finding!

Terry wrote:

After doing the update I didn't notice anything except the expected
fix.

Then I shot an AVI at the beach. Everything looked normal through
the viewfinder. When I played the AVI, everyone was totally naked.
Three cheers for Canon.

PS. We have nude beaches here, in Florida.

Cool, didnt find that feature with mine but after playing around i found that the right compbination of button pushes results in a nice tune being played whilst i compose a shot and also when downloading fiels from MD in camera to my PC. And you wont believe it but to my delight i arose this morning and found breakfast by my bed! all courtesy of my G1!! what a godsend. We love you Canon.

Lisa Horton Contributing Member • Posts: 522
Re: Firmware update woth it ?Don't you trust Canon?

Jerry wrote:

Don't you all trust Canon?

Not any more. Not after buying a camera that has an incomplete/incorrect implementation of E-TTL, that won't work with 3rd party E-TTL compatible flashes. Not after buying a camera promoted as being good to use with studio lights, only to find that it's not really very well suited at all for that purpose.

Lisa

kaoz623 Regular Member • Posts: 182
Re: Firmware update woth it ?Don't you trust Canon?

Lisa Horton wrote:

Jerry wrote:

Don't you all trust Canon?

Not any more. Not after buying a camera that has an
incomplete/incorrect implementation of E-TTL, that won't work with
3rd party E-TTL compatible flashes. Not after buying a camera
promoted as being good to use with studio lights, only to find that
it's not really very well suited at all for that purpose.

Lisa

what do you think is wrong with the implementation of e-ttl then?

I ahve also tried mine out in a studi with lights (first time for me, i hasten to add) had lots of fun, and prodcued some reasonabel pics for first time in studio (used an external meter sekonic for this - as you really should in a studio)

Mike

S Clark Senior Member • Posts: 2,944
Re: UNDOCUMENTED Finding!

downloading fiels from MD in camera to my PC. And you wont believe
it but to my delight i arose this morning and found breakfast by my
bed! all courtesy of my G1!! what a godsend. We love you Canon.

Well phooey, my Pro90 hops into the bedroom and demands i give it breakfast now, ie a new battery. LOL

kaoz623 Regular Member • Posts: 182
Re: UNDOCUMENTED Finding!

SC wrote:

downloading fiels from MD in camera to my PC. And you wont believe
it but to my delight i arose this morning and found breakfast by my
bed! all courtesy of my G1!! what a godsend. We love you Canon.

Well phooey, my Pro90 hops into the bedroom and demands i give it
breakfast now, ie a new battery. LOL

lmao. maybe my firmware update dint work properly after all thank heaven there is a sense of humour amongst all this.

mike

Lisa Horton Contributing Member • Posts: 522
Re: Firmware update woth it ?Don't you trust Canon?

kaoz623 wrote:

Lisa Horton wrote:

Jerry wrote:

Don't you all trust Canon?

Not any more. Not after buying a camera that has an
incomplete/incorrect implementation of E-TTL, that won't work with
3rd party E-TTL compatible flashes. Not after buying a camera
promoted as being good to use with studio lights, only to find that
it's not really very well suited at all for that purpose.

Lisa

what do you think is wrong with the implementation of e-ttl then?

I ahve also tried mine out in a studi with lights (first time for
me, i hasten to add) had lots of fun, and prodcued some reasonabel
pics for first time in studio (used an external meter sekonic for
this - as you really should in a studio)

Mike

The problem with the E-TTL is part of the overall flash shoe problem. It doesn't work with 3rd party E-TTL or even plain TTL flash units. Every other Canon body that offers E-TTL, even the lowly Rebel will work with, say, Metz E-TTL compatible flashes.

The studio lighting problem is the dark viewfinder. At 1/125 and f8, the modelling lights have to be turned up to full brightness to see much of anything.

Lisa

kaoz623 Regular Member • Posts: 182
Re: Firmware update woth it ?Don't you trust Canon?

Lisa Horton wrote:

kaoz623 wrote:

Lisa Horton wrote:

Jerry wrote:

Don't you all trust Canon?

Not any more. Not after buying a camera that has an
incomplete/incorrect implementation of E-TTL, that won't work with
3rd party E-TTL compatible flashes. Not after buying a camera
promoted as being good to use with studio lights, only to find that
it's not really very well suited at all for that purpose.

Lisa

what do you think is wrong with the implementation of e-ttl then?

I ahve also tried mine out in a studi with lights (first time for
me, i hasten to add) had lots of fun, and prodcued some reasonabel
pics for first time in studio (used an external meter sekonic for
this - as you really should in a studio)

Mike

The problem with the E-TTL is part of the overall flash shoe
problem. It doesn't work with 3rd party E-TTL or even plain TTL
flash units. Every other Canon body that offers E-TTL, even the
lowly Rebel will work with, say, Metz E-TTL compatible flashes.

The studio lighting problem is the dark viewfinder. At 1/125 and
f8, the modelling lights have to be turned up to full brightness to
see much of anything.

Lisa

didnt ralise that about 3rd part e-ttl, bit of a nightmare! what have canon said about this?

as for studio i guess ur using modelling lights on flash units? i myself was not using strobe and found that this was OK, no viewing probs

Mike

Bernard Leynaud New Member • Posts: 18
Re: Focussing speed Manual & Auto

My previous G1 (w firmware 1.0.0.1) had the (little) magenta problem which can be solved in using PSP or Pimpact. I recently baught an other G1 (w firmware 1.0.0.0.) which do not have the magenta problem... better blue and seems a bit slower in autofocus than my previous one... very strange ! ===> > > I don't intend to update the firmware.

Bernie from France

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