F700 and S2 Pro

Started Aug 3, 2003 | Discussions
Jonathan Usher Regular Member • Posts: 147
F700 and S2 Pro

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro (and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera (no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made). The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots): dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255 (on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot, considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now) though.

Doug Kerr Forum Pro • Posts: 20,899
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Jonathan,

Nice report, and useful outlook.

Doug Kerr

WmAx Senior Member • Posts: 1,700
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

While this 'must' be true. It is hardly fair to deermine this on the two images provided.

(1) Ratio/aspect is differetn between cameras(3:4 vs. 2:3). If you must make the comparison of detail resolving, the accepted method determined via ISO standards is to frame the vertical content of the frame teh same on both images, discounting the additional horiztonal coverage of the 2:3.

(2) The Fuji's 6mp mode even outresolves other DSLR cameras that are 6Mp, and if you use the 12mp mode......... Suffice to say, it would be more fair to say the Fuji F700 can not compare resolution well with a 6mp FUJI SCCD camera. This may also be true for a normal 6Mp compared to the FUji F700(F700 may not come very close), however without specific resoluton measurments or a controlled comparison of production model F700, I would only be speculating.

-Chris

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

OP Jonathan Usher Regular Member • Posts: 147
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Yes I agree - actually I based my comment on a quick look of a few photos from the F700 versus my (now ancient) DSC-S70 Sony 3MP camera. I'm still happy with the image quality of that Sony - the lens on it is just fantastic (but camera speed is another matter!). I never expected the F700 to match the resolution or "sharpness" of my S2 Pro - but I am still pleasantly surprised overall with its image quality.

BTW one thing that I've noticed on the F700 is how small the JPEGs are in 6MP mode - typically 1.4-1.6 MB for a 2832x2128 image. I know my Dimage 7i churns out 5MP JPEGs that are a LOT larger in size than this. Maybe because there is pixel interpolation taking place in the F700, that helps the JPEG compression? Or maybe the noise level is lower in the F700? Not sure.

WmAx wrote:

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

While this 'must' be true. It is hardly fair to deermine this on
the two images provided.

(1) Ratio/aspect is differetn between cameras(3:4 vs. 2:3). If you
must make the comparison of detail resolving, the accepted method
determined via ISO standards is to frame the vertical content of
the frame teh same on both images, discounting the additional
horiztonal coverage of the 2:3.

(2) The Fuji's 6mp mode even outresolves other DSLR cameras that
are 6Mp, and if you use the 12mp mode......... Suffice to say, it
would be more fair to say the Fuji F700 can not compare resolution
well with a 6mp FUJI SCCD camera. This may also be true for a
normal 6Mp compared to the FUji F700(F700 may not come very close),
however without specific resoluton measurments or a controlled
comparison of production model F700, I would only be speculating.

-Chris

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

WmAx Senior Member • Posts: 1,700
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Yes I agree - actually I based my comment on a quick look of a few
photos from the F700 versus my (now ancient) DSC-S70 Sony 3MP
camera.

A different matter.

I believe that if the lens on the F700 has an adequate MTF; that a carefully framed/controlled compariosn of the F700's 6m mode(soft sharpening and post processed sharpeing instead of incam sharpening) vs. the Sony's 3MP output will hardly be fair for the Sony. SCCD cameras have reliably been able to outresolve pertceptible detail far greater than conventinal CCD/CMOS designs of the same addresable number of photosite points. I would, personally. like for you to do this test if it is conventient for you to do so.

-Chris

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

While this 'must' be true. It is hardly fair to deermine this on
the two images provided.

(1) Ratio/aspect is differetn between cameras(3:4 vs. 2:3). If you
must make the comparison of detail resolving, the accepted method
determined via ISO standards is to frame the vertical content of
the frame teh same on both images, discounting the additional
horiztonal coverage of the 2:3.

(2) The Fuji's 6mp mode even outresolves other DSLR cameras that
are 6Mp, and if you use the 12mp mode......... Suffice to say, it
would be more fair to say the Fuji F700 can not compare resolution
well with a 6mp FUJI SCCD camera. This may also be true for a
normal 6Mp compared to the FUji F700(F700 may not come very close),
however without specific resoluton measurments or a controlled
comparison of production model F700, I would only be speculating.

-Chris

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

richard morrill Forum Member • Posts: 53
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

I've been using my f 700 for four days and I would agree with your summary of the camera's strenghts and weaknesses. I think you put it quite well. Overall, I'm quite pleased with it. Richard Morrill

Jonathan Usher wrote:

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I
thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the
F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro
(and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera
(no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made).
The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots):
dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera
some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and
shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread
between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255
(on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting
used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

Donald Lam Regular Member • Posts: 191
Re: F700 and S2 Pro-WMV encoding

I think it is better to encode at ~ 500 kbps, not all broadband connections can sustain a continuous 1 + Mbps stream. I did not find significant degradation at 500 kbps. BTW, the windows encoder also did a much better job than the QT mpeg4, with QT the rendered video was poorer in quality.

*************

Jonathan Usher wrote:

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I
thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the
F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro
(and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera
(no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made).
The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots):
dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera
some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and
shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread
between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255
(on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting
used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

OP Jonathan Usher Regular Member • Posts: 147
Re: F700 and S2 Pro-WMV encoding

For streaming, I absolutely agree. You can play around with the resolution settings in the encoder as well to get the best mix of resolution vs perceived quality at a certain bitrate.

However I was really encoding these more for "archival" level storage - for local playback on my PC. There I am very happy with bitrates in the 1-2 Mbps range, preserving the native resolution of the motion JPEG original. I can also then store 1-2 hours of video on a CD-R. Though of course it may take me a LONG time to accumulate 1-2 hours of video on the F700!

Donald Lam wrote:
I think it is better to encode at ~ 500 kbps, not all broadband
connections can sustain a continuous 1 + Mbps stream. I did not
find significant degradation at 500 kbps. BTW, the windows encoder
also did a much better job than the QT mpeg4, with QT the rendered
video was poorer in quality.

*************

Jonathan Usher wrote:

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I
thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the
F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro
(and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera
(no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made).
The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots):
dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera
some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and
shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread
between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255
(on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting
used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

Steve321 Junior Member • Posts: 32
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Am I correct to assume on an empty 128MB card, you can only get 128 seconds of video?

OP Jonathan Usher Regular Member • Posts: 147
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Approximately 2 minutes of 640x480x30fps video, yes that is correct (using motion JPEG). You can also select a 320x240x30fps mode on the camera to significantly increase the quantity of video you can capture - but it does naturally look significantly worse in quality (albeit better than many other digital cameras have as their best "video" mode).

Steven321 wrote:

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Am I correct to assume on an empty 128MB card, you can only get 128
seconds of video?

Steve321 Junior Member • Posts: 32
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

1) (using motion JPEG): Is there other options on this camera?

2) Wouldn't a 320x240 image look fairly good on a conventional (non-hdtv) television?

3) Do you know how much memory it does take for the 320x240 res?

4) I do not yet have a digital still camera, but am looking at this one to be my first. Is the average total lag (including autofocus) from intial press of the shutter button to capture of the image great, good, average or poor?

Thanks for your patience with my silly questions!

Jonathan Usher wrote:
Approximately 2 minutes of 640x480x30fps video, yes that is correct
(using motion JPEG). You can also select a 320x240x30fps mode on
the camera to significantly increase the quantity of video you can
capture - but it does naturally look significantly worse in quality
(albeit better than many other digital cameras have as their best
"video" mode).

Steven321 wrote:

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Am I correct to assume on an empty 128MB card, you can only get 128
seconds of video?

George Chen Senior Member • Posts: 1,215
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Steven321 wrote:

4) I do not yet have a digital still camera, but am looking at
this one to be my first. Is the average total lag (including
autofocus) from intial press of the shutter button to capture of
the image great, good, average or poor?

It's definitely a lot faster than my Canon S200.

OP Jonathan Usher Regular Member • Posts: 147
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Quick answers:

1) No - just m-JPEG @ 30 frames per second - choices are 640x480 or 320x240 resolution. Note one thing - you can't zoom in and out while capturing the video.

2) depends on what you consider "good" If you can tell the difference between the quality of a DVD and of VHS on your TV, then you'll be able to tell the quality difference between the 640x480 and 320x240 modes. At 640x480, it's pretty much on par with DV resolution from a camcorder.

3) Storage of movies at 320x240 takes about half as much per second as 640x480 mode. So you get about 2 seconds per megabyte.

4) very hard to answer this as everyone will have a different perspective on what they consider "fast". For a consumer-level digital camera, I find this to be a snappy performer (pardon the pun). Autofocus seems quite speedy and overall time to capture shot I'd rate as "good" (for me).

Steven321 wrote:
1) (using motion JPEG): Is there other options on this camera?

2) Wouldn't a 320x240 image look fairly good on a conventional
(non-hdtv) television?

3) Do you know how much memory it does take for the 320x240 res?

4) I do not yet have a digital still camera, but am looking at
this one to be my first. Is the average total lag (including
autofocus) from intial press of the shutter button to capture of
the image great, good, average or poor?

Thanks for your patience with my silly questions!

Jonathan Usher wrote:
Approximately 2 minutes of 640x480x30fps video, yes that is correct
(using motion JPEG). You can also select a 320x240x30fps mode on
the camera to significantly increase the quantity of video you can
capture - but it does naturally look significantly worse in quality
(albeit better than many other digital cameras have as their best
"video" mode).

Steven321 wrote:

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Am I correct to assume on an empty 128MB card, you can only get 128
seconds of video?

photobob Contributing Member • Posts: 875
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Steven321 wrote:

1) (using motion JPEG): Is there other options on this camera?

No. Not for movies.

2) Wouldn't a 320x240 image look fairly good on a conventional
(non-hdtv) television?

Yes. A lot of TV's don't have this good a resolution, but it's close to broadcast quality.

3) Do you know how much memory it does take for the 320x240 res?

Should give you twice as long as 640x480. It's only 1/4 the picture size, so you might think 4X as long, but the compression needs to be less to get a good picture at the smaller size and the sound still takes the same amount of memory.

Bob

Donald Lam Regular Member • Posts: 191
Re: F700 and S2 Pro-WMV encoding

Agreed. I think windows XP movie 2 also uses the same encoder. If you are archiving, movie 2 provides a few more features in editing.

I am glad to hear you are happy with the F700 video. It's handy to have a compact P&S for good stills and reasonable video clips. I don't own a 602 or 700, but I am considering a miniDV for taking videos. On the other hand, the F700 or Sxxx maybe alternatives.

**********

Jonathan Usher wrote:
For streaming, I absolutely agree. You can play around with the
resolution settings in the encoder as well to get the best mix of
resolution vs perceived quality at a certain bitrate.

However I was really encoding these more for "archival" level
storage - for local playback on my PC. There I am very happy with
bitrates in the 1-2 Mbps range, preserving the native resolution of
the motion JPEG original. I can also then store 1-2 hours of video
on a CD-R. Though of course it may take me a LONG time to
accumulate 1-2 hours of video on the F700!

Donald Lam wrote:
I think it is better to encode at ~ 500 kbps, not all broadband
connections can sustain a continuous 1 + Mbps stream. I did not
find significant degradation at 500 kbps. BTW, the windows encoder
also did a much better job than the QT mpeg4, with QT the rendered
video was poorer in quality.

*************

Jonathan Usher wrote:

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I
thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the
F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro
(and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera
(no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made).
The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots):
dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera
some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and
shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread
between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255
(on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting
used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 44,835
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

WmAx wrote:

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

While this 'must' be true. It is hardly fair to deermine this on
the two images provided.

(1) Ratio/aspect is differetn between cameras(3:4 vs. 2:3). If you
must make the comparison of detail resolving, the accepted method
determined via ISO standards is to frame the vertical content of
the frame teh same on both images, discounting the additional
horiztonal coverage of the 2:3.

(2) The Fuji's 6mp mode even outresolves other DSLR cameras that
are 6Mp, and if you use the 12mp mode......... Suffice to say, it

I would like to know which cameras the Fuji's F700 @ 6 megapixels outresolves of DSLR cameras that are 6 megapixels because I beg to strongly differe here.. any links welcome.

  • raist

would be more fair to say the Fuji F700 can not compare resolution
well with a 6mp FUJI SCCD camera. This may also be true for a
normal 6Mp compared to the FUji F700(F700 may not come very close),
however without specific resoluton measurments or a controlled
comparison of production model F700, I would only be speculating.

-Chris

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

photobob Contributing Member • Posts: 875
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Raist3d wrote:

WmAx wrote:

(2) The Fuji's 6mp mode even outresolves other DSLR cameras that
are 6Mp, and if you use the 12mp mode......... Suffice to say, it

I would like to know which cameras the Fuji's F700 @ 6 megapixels
outresolves of DSLR cameras that are 6 megapixels because I beg to
strongly differe here.. any links welcome.

  • raist

Chris was referring to the 6MP Fuji S2 with its 6MP SCCD sensor, not the F700. His statement is in line with reviews, including Phil's on this site. See it even in the Subject line.

Bob

Tom Witte New Member • Posts: 17
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

Jonathan Usher wrote:

Quick answers:
.....
4) very hard to answer this as everyone will have a different
perspective on what they consider "fast". For a consumer-level
digital camera, I find this to be a snappy performer (pardon the
pun). Autofocus seems quite speedy and overall time to capture
shot I'd rate as "good" (for me).

The test I use is some one walking by or a car driving by.

Other in use is if you are taking a picture of someone giving a speech are you getting the shot you took or the speakers 1 second later open mouth...

I have been spoiled - my fuji fixpix 4700 was excellent in this area.
Canon and other newer camera I looked at are 3 or more second delay dogs.

I assume I could improve on this with custom setting that turned off focus, etc. but I don't know and did not test as I want something that can work in point and shoot...

Tom

Robert Cottrell New Member • Posts: 2
Re: F700 and S2 Pro

At £66 for a 256MB card, I wouldn't worry about the expense of XD cards.

Jonathan Usher wrote:

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I
thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the
F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro
(and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera
(no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made).
The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots):
dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera
some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and
shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread
between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255
(on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting
used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

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  • Robert Cottrell

deshawn Senior Member • Posts: 1,372
Re: how fast is zoom?

please answer how fast the zoom is?

and what is the file size for a raw image
converted to tiff?

Robert Cottrell wrote:
At £66 for a 256MB card, I wouldn't worry about the expense of XD
cards.

Jonathan Usher wrote:

While this is certainly not an "apples to apples" type comparison I
thought folks may be interested in an (ISO 160) shot taken with the
F700 in 6MP mode alongside the same scene taken with the S2 Pro
(and a Nikon 24-85G lens). Both shots are direct from the camera
(no add'l sharpening or color/contrast adjustments have been made).
The two photos are at http://www.pbase.com/jusher/f700_images

Some initial thoughts on the F700 (after about a hundred shots):
dynamic range does indeed seem quite strong. I've given the camera
some challenging exposures with a mix of strong daylight and
shadows and the vast majority of histograms are nicely spread
between lowlights and highlights without big spikes at 0 and at 255
(on luminance).

Color seems very nice indeed on auto white balance (the setting
used for both photos above).

Resolution seems ok for a 3MP camera. But it's not up to a 6 MP
native CCD's resolution.

Images are quite sharp at the center but exhibit noticeable
fall-off towards the edges.

Movie mode - not sure honestly how often I'll use this. But for
those times I do use it, the results are very good. I take the
output (which is a very high bitrate motion JPEG - about 1MB per
second in 640x480 mode) and use Windows Media Encoder 9 Series to
transcode to WMV 9 at 1-2 Mbps (resulting in savings of 80-90% of
file sizes).

Speed seems quite good - especially from power-on to first shot,
considering this is a camera that needs to extend the lens on
power-on.

LCD is nice and sharp - used it in bright sunshine yesterday and it
was fine.

Just some early thoughts... others also seem to be liking this
camera based on the feedback on this Forum. Overall I am
pleasantly surprised. Shame xD is so expensive (at least now)
though.

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