Fuji 30mm T/S thoughts and comments

OK - I forgot that the newer RRS PG head has a panning device built into the base arm... I use an older one with just a simple base rail that I clamp into a panning clamp. I was trying to make a suggestion that would minimize carrying extra gear for arch and pano work.

Back to architecture photos:

A common move in architectural photography is to square the camera up to a wall or space, creating a one-point perspective. Then shift the lens (maybe diagonally) to adjust framing.

Using a traditional ball head, it can be maddening to try to get all three axes aligned to the wall at the same time. If your tripod apex isn't perfectly level, every time you (base) pan the ball head, the pitch/roll will need to be adjusted again. If you have a top pan on the ball head, you can level with the ball, then adjust the top pan to finish up. The same thing works with just a leveling base and pan clamp.

The next step from there would be to a traditional 3-way head or a geared head that allow you to adjust each axis individually.
Thanks so much. I'm going to go onto RRS and see what kind of top pan with a clamp they might have and permanently attach it to my BH 40 and 55 ball heads.

I have no idea what you are talking about with that wall lineup thing but I'll Google it. This all applies to use with the 30TS right?
Yes - here are a couple in-progress examples I have handy (sorry for the lame commercial subject matter...)

Example 1:

Camera positioned on-axis to entry, (poorly) leveled and squared with building. No shift applied.

Camera positioned on-axis to entry, (poorly) leveled and squared with building. No shift applied.

Same camera position, lens shifted up and right to adjust framing.

Same camera position, lens shifted up and right to adjust framing.

Example 2:

Camera leveled and squared up to building. No shift applied.

Camera leveled and squared up to building. No shift applied.

Same camera position. Lens shifted up and left.

Same camera position. Lens shifted up and left.
 
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That’s a Center column that you’re asking about. Not really necessary, but I bought it for the rare occasion that I might use it just use it a few times a year really. I would save the money and not get that when I bought my cube, they only had two versions with a lever clamp or the tension knob to clamp on to your L bracket or Plate. The only thing different now is the top panning mechanism is available in a geared version where mine is not geared. You can buy it either way I believe.. I would like to have that, but not enough to get rid of what I have to get it and actually I think I could send my head in and they can add that But not worth sending to Europe and the expense I can live without it.I had the D4 before I got the cube very nice head slightly lighter. You can also get it with the geared pan, but mine was without with their lever clamp.
 
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I would say the cube is the primary head for architecture more so than any studio work, which I used to do for 20 + years. I don’t know anyone shooting architecture with a ball head. You need to be able to control each axis individually or you’re gonna be really frustrated. I only use the panning to center up the image I use the vertical and horizontal tilt primarily and occasionally I will do a diagonal shift just depending.
 
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That is so awesome. I can't wait to be able to cut out needless foreground and shift up to get more of the building. But I don't know what you mean when you say shift up and right.
 
Hi Alan.... did you take these with the 30 T/S? If so how? Did you pan the camera?

Victor B.
 
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This is the way I primarily use the lens.

Another option with a really right stuff lens collar with arca plate. In my experience when doing shifting and stitching, I don’t see any advantage to use the lens collar versus an L bracket for shifting and stitching the way I’ve been doing for many years with the Canon lenses like in the photo above .
Ken, I have looked at these pics again, and beside my questions below, please tell me what you have there. You have the 34L but have added a center column? What is that pole sticking down the below the apex? What is the silver twist knob above the apex? Then what is that round thing that the cube is mounted on? Ten comes the Cube.
Not Ken, but that's just RRS's center column. Useful for shooting studio/interiors when you need to adjust camera height a bit.
What version would you recommend for use with my all RRS gear and lens feet and L plates and tripods? The Cube has many confusing versions.
The Cube options can be categorized into 1. top pan style, and 2. clamp style.

1 a) Simple top pan with no detents or gearing, b) Geared-top pan with no detents, or c) click-detent top panning for pano use.

2 a) Standard Arca clamp in screw knob or b) lever 'Fliplock', c) 'Monoball Fix' clamp (IMO avoid unless you know what it's for).

I wouldn't start with a Cube - start by adding a panning clamp to your ballhead. It gets to be too much junk to carry w/ multiple heads. The ballhead with a panning clamp works for rotational panos too.
The cube seems to me like primary a studio tool. Just me.
There are many approaches! For some, architectural photography is a lot like studio/tabletop work with precision positioning and framing, which is where the Cube is helpful. Others find that cumbersome.
But like I said I think the ball head of choice, with the RRS panning/leveling adapter, with a rail seems so useful and simple to me. Easy to carry in the bag and add the piece you need for the situation.
Ball head w/ top pan vs ball head + leveling base generally accomplish the same thing. One (may have) redundant panning, the other has redundant ball joints. I like the simplicity of an inverted ball head like the Arca P0 or P1.
If I understand what you might mean by redundant panning, that would be true only if the tripod and base of the ball head were level. I see the purpose of the panning/leveling adapter is the ability to have level panning independent of the tripod angle.

An extreme example:



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... Mike, formerly known as Rod. :)
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I would say the cube is the primary head for architecture more so than any studio work, which I used to do for 20 + years. I don’t know anyone shooting architecture with a ball head. You need to be able to control each axis individually or you’re gonna be really frustrated. I only use the panning to center up the image I use the vertical and horizontal tilt primarily and occasionally I will do a diagonal shift just depending.
I can see that also. Thanks.
 
Diagonal shift: a combination of rise and lateral shift.
Are you saying a combination of rise and panning or actually rotating the lens itself and rising at an angle. The rise portion of the Gf lens can be rotated up to 180 degrees.
Alan_b did rise at an angle. Compare those shifted and non-shifted pictures – look at verticals. That's the trick why to use T/S lenses, or one of them.
 
Diagonal shift: a combination of rise and lateral shift.
Are you saying a combination of rise and panning or actually rotating the lens itself and rising at an angle. The rise portion of the Gf lens can be rotated up to 180 degrees.
Alan_b did rise at an angle. Compare those shifted and non-shifted pictures – look at verticals. That's the trick why to use T/S lenses, or one of them.
I don't know if this will help or hinder understanding, but there are two different ways to think about what Alan did.
  1. Coming from view cameras, and using a digital view camera, I think in terms of "shift" (horizontal, left and right), "rise" (lens goes up, or back goes down) and "fall" (lens goes down, or back goes up). These are all separate movements, which means I apply them one at a time. So in Alan's example, on my setup I would first apply a shift and then a rise (or vice versa).
  2. Keith Cooper argues -- and I see his point -- that the view camera language doesn't make sense for tilt-shift lenses because there's only one shift movement, but you choose the orientation with a rotation. What I call a "rise" is shifting straight up. A "shift" is shifting horizontal left or right, and what Alan did is a diagonal shift.
 
Diagonal shift: a combination of rise and lateral shift.
Are you saying a combination of rise and panning or actually rotating the lens itself and rising at an angle. The rise portion of the Gf lens can be rotated up to 180 degrees.
Alan_b did rise at an angle. Compare those shifted and non-shifted pictures – look at verticals. That's the trick why to use T/S lenses, or one of them.
I don't know if this will help or hinder understanding, but there are two different ways to think about what Alan did.
  1. Coming from view cameras, and using a digital view camera, I think in terms of "shift" (horizontal, left and right), "rise" (lens goes up, or back goes down) and "fall" (lens goes down, or back goes up). These are all separate movements, which means I apply them one at a time. So in Alan's example, on my setup I would first apply a shift and then a rise (or vice versa).
  2. Keith Cooper argues -- and I see his point -- that the view camera language doesn't make sense for tilt-shift lenses because there's only one shift movement, but you choose the orientation with a rotation. What I call a "rise" is shifting straight up. A "shift" is shifting horizontal left or right, and what Alan did is a diagonal shift.
I also am coming from view cameras and still using a Cambo Actus view camera with my a7RIV. But in my mind all rise, fall and shift to left or to right are the same movement, the shift (only to the various directions).

Same with tilt and swing. They are the same movement, but to different direction.
 
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Diagonal shift: a combination of rise and lateral shift.
Are you saying a combination of rise and panning or actually rotating the lens itself and rising at an angle. The rise portion of the Gf lens can be rotated up to 180 degrees.
Alan_b did rise at an angle. Compare those shifted and non-shifted pictures – look at verticals. That's the trick why to use T/S lenses, or one of them.
Rise is pretty easy to get a hand on. But I’ve yet to experiment with rotating the lens and using rise at an angle. I’ll wait for Alan’s answer but it looks to me like vertical rise for distortion correction and a simple pan to reframe horizontally.
 
Diagonal shift: a combination of rise and lateral shift.
Are you saying a combination of rise and panning or actually rotating the lens itself and rising at an angle. The rise portion of the Gf lens can be rotated up to 180 degrees.
Alan_b did rise at an angle. Compare those shifted and non-shifted pictures – look at verticals. That's the trick why to use T/S lenses, or one of them.
Rise is pretty easy to get a hand on. But I’ve yet to experiment with rotating the lens and using rise at an angle. I’ll wait for Alan’s answer but it looks to me like vertical rise for distortion correction and a simple pan to reframe horizontally.
No, no pan. After levelling your camera you can shift the lens to any direction without loosing the level and so keeping the verticals vertical.
 
Diagonal shift: a combination of rise and lateral shift.
Are you saying a combination of rise and panning or actually rotating the lens itself and rising at an angle. The rise portion of the Gf lens can be rotated up to 180 degrees.
Yes. You can only shift in one axis with a t/s lens, up or down. But you also have the lens rotation feature which makes the lens more flexible. You shift up then rotate the lens 90 degrees to convert the up shift into a left or right shift. You can rotate the lens 45 degrees to turn the shift into a diagonal shift to the left or a diagonal shift to the right. A diagonal shift has the effect of a simultaneous rise (up shift) and lateral shift (left/right shift).

Keith Cooper demonstrates this in his videos of shift lenses.

The nice thing about the shift movements is that you can see exactly what the effect is in the viewfinder - there is a close cause and effect relationship with shifts. Tilts, on the other hand, have more variables, and a less obvious cause and effect relationship. I haven't a clue how to use tilt, and looking through the viewfinder provides no obvious hints. I saw an explanation the other day that said that if you focus at infinity and tilt downward, you can get the (flat) ground in front of the tripod to infinity all in focus. Sounds lovely and simple and the way to solve a shortage of DoF, but I bet if I try it, it won't be as obvious at all. I've never managed to find any correlation between the theory and actually using tilt. It all seems basically random effects to me!
 
I saw an explanation the other day that said that if you focus at infinity and tilt downward, you can get the (flat) ground in front of the tripod to infinity all in focus. Sounds lovely and simple and the way to solve a shortage of DoF, but I bet if I try it, it won't be as obvious at all. I've never managed to find any correlation between the theory and actually using tilt. It all seems basically random effects to me!
 

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