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Sharpness with long focal length

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Stefan993 New Member • Posts: 3
Sharpness with long focal length

Hi all,

I have done quite some photography with short focal lengths <100mm (as well as some astrophotography with >>1000mm). But with terrestrial subjects, I have basically zero experience with longer focal length.

I recently bought a Sigma 150-600mm lens which I was recommended to be quite sharp for the price tag. I was able to try it out this weekend and while I love the magnification I am unsure if it is as sharp as it should be. When zooming to 100% resolution, everything seems more blurry than it should be. But maybe this is just normal for the big lenses?
I would be happy to get some input from the experts. I can in principle still return the lens, but would very much like to keep it - I just want to be sure it is not a broken / less ideal piece.

Attached: Some quick shots of birds with open aperture from the tripod. Focus might be off on some, the AF was working... but there is enough gras that SOMETHING should be sharp... but isnt quite.

For more reproducible tests, I did some shots of a book from the tripod without touching and using manuel focus in the liveview.

Here are some jpegs and raws:

https://www.file-upload.net/download-15114712/BILDER.rar.html

Thanks for your input!
Best

Stefan

lehill
lehill Veteran Member • Posts: 7,118
Re: Sharpness with long focal length
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Stefan993 wrote:

Hi all,

I have done quite some photography with short focal lengths <100mm (as well as some astrophotography with >>1000mm). But with terrestrial subjects, I have basically zero experience with longer focal length.

I recently bought a Sigma 150-600mm lens which I was recommended to be quite sharp for the price tag. I was able to try it out this weekend and while I love the magnification I am unsure if it is as sharp as it should be. When zooming to 100% resolution, everything seems more blurry than it should be. But maybe this is just normal for the big lenses?
I would be happy to get some input from the experts. I can in principle still return the lens, but would very much like to keep it - I just want to be sure it is not a broken / less ideal piece.

Attached: Some quick shots of birds with open aperture from the tripod. Focus might be off on some, the AF was working... but there is enough gras that SOMETHING should be sharp... but isnt quite.

For more reproducible tests, I did some shots of a book from the tripod without touching and using manuel focus in the liveview.

Here are some jpegs and raws:

https://www.file-upload.net/download-15114712/BILDER.rar.html

Thanks for your input!
Best

Stefan

The lens should do better than this.

If you are using a filter on the lens, remove the filter and try again.

If you are not using a filter, then I think you should exchange the lens for another one.

As far as I know, RAR format is not commonly used outside of Asia. For anyone else that wants to contribute, here are a couple of the full-sized JPG versions of the OP's photos that demonstrate the problem:

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OP Stefan993 New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Sharpness with long focal length

Hi Lance,

thank you very much for your input! I entirely forgot! Indeed there is a "Walimex Pro UV-Filter slim MC 95mm" filter on the lens, it actually came with it from the vendor. I will remove it and take a few more shots today and share again! Lets hope it helps, I am really not eager having to return. But of course I want a bad lens even less

I am at least happy somebody else was bothered by the quality as well. With sharpness, it wouldnt have been the first time I tricked myself into too high expectation
Thanks for your input on the .rar format. I didnt know it is uncommen. It is super widespread in Germany (where I live). Next time I will share as zip or directly upload the image!

Best
Stefan

AnthonyL Veteran Member • Posts: 3,681
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When you take your new photos less filter it makes it easier for us if can you put a couple on here rather than a third party site, keeping exif intact.  Use the Mountain icon and/or upload to your Galleries.

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Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 22,840
Re: Sharpness with long focal length
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With the first shot of the book on the lectern I can't tell whether it is a focusing error or the lens.

The second shot of the bird looks pretty normal to me, especially since it was taken at ISO 3200 and the bird is small in the frame.

I don't own this lens, but, AFAIK, it doesn't have a reputation for being super sharp, just good value for money.

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OP Stefan993 New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Sharpness with long focal length

Hi all,

thank you very much for your input, it's greatly appreciated!

I removed the filter and took some more trial shots. Personally I do not feel like it changed a lot.
Weather is a little bit worse today and the bird somehow didn't wait for me to return. But here are three more:
All images on tripod with 10s exposure delay.

1) Indoor, short distance (3-4m?). This one wasnt taken with 600mm but slightly zoomed out to ~560mm because I otherwise couldnt focus in the small room.... So maybe forget about this picture...

2) Outdoor, 10m. No significant wind

3) Same as for second picture

I think I did them all with 1/500s (which I think should be fine on tripod with calm air and still target?), ISO1000 (with the EOS R I usually do not see noise issues at this ISO for e.g. macros and so on) and fully open (f/6.3) at 600mm.

I still have this feeling of everything being a little too fuzzy. It looks a little bit better for the close distance shot on the book (as it did for the black bird yesterday. This one was also in the 3m range). But the flower and the 10m book shot still look rather soft to me. And this is closer to the intended distance of use for this lens...

But again, maybe I am seeing issues that are not there. I am well aware I bought a 1000€ and not a 3000€ piece. But I would have still expected a little more crispiness under such controlled conditions.

I would again appreciate your input on wether I should exchange the lens, do more (which?) tests or if I am being unreasonably picky;)
Thanks and best

Stefan

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Bill Ferris Veteran Member • Posts: 9,365
When Testing a New Lens...
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The goal is to make photos giving the lens every chance of passing with flying colors.

  • Make test photos in good light at or within one stop of base ISO
  • Of a subject that is evenly illuminated
  • Of a subject having fine detail
  • With the camera and lens on a tripod
  • Composing a shot that completely fills the frame (no cropping)
  • Using the lens at a range of f-stops from wide open to closed by 2-3 stops
  • Using shutter speeds or in-camera timer delays that mitigate vibration as a factor compromising image quality
  • Using AF-S autofocus that doesn't constantly hunt for autofocus

If the lens passes this test, you know the optics are good, the autofocus and aperture mechanisms work.

At that point, photography in less optimal conditions or situations comes down to the photographer's technique and the camera's functionality.

I recommend you start from scratch with your testing and give the lens a real chance to succeed.

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DavidWright2010 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,729
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Ten feet away from this hummingbird, hand-held

These images respond well to sharpening (these are before sharpening), and I use Topaz Sharpen-AI for that.

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robgendreau Forum Pro • Posts: 10,917
Re: Sharpness with long focal length

I had that lens, and used it on an R6, and got about the same results as the OP at the long end. And it had the stuttering issues at the long end. Sold it. Might be that it just does worse with R cameras, even aside from the stuttering AF. I don't know. Some get good results; I just didn't as consistently as I would have liked.

I found the RF100-400mm much more useful, and much lighter, but YMMV.

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