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Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

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Basil Fawlty
OP Basil Fawlty Regular Member • Posts: 237
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

drsnoopy wrote:

Basil Fawlty wrote:

Wing2 wrote:

Distortion and vignetting is not serious after correction. The RAW file uncorrected does have serious distortion and vignetting. However, if you manually correct the RAW file, you can get as wide as 13mm

Thanks for your reply! Just curious, from your experience, was you zoom out, at what focal length would you say the uncorrected distortion and vignetting cease to be a problem? In other words, how bad is it at 15mm? 16mm?

Thanks

It’s irrelevant. Just use the profile (DPP, DXO, Adobe) and the distortion is corrected. It is designed to be used with a profile. If that troubles you, buy something else. Or use jpeg.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.  I ask him because I'm just curious.  I am well aware that it can be fixed in post.

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dmanthree
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Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

Which of the three do you prefer? I use ACR just to keep it simple when importing to PS.

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BBR5 Regular Member • Posts: 212
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

dmanthree wrote:

Which of the three do you prefer? I use ACR just to keep it simple when importing to PS.

In general I prefer DXO PureRAW because of the excellent noise reduction and overall rendering. But when using it I typically follow-up with LRc for additional editing (I have PureRAW, not PhotoLab).

In the case of the RF14-35, the PureRAW distortion correction also produces an image slightly wider than that from LRc. Interestingly, ON1 produces an even wider image than PureRAW with the RF14-35.

Comparison images from DXO PR and ON1 below.

DXO PureRAW

ON1

Basil Fawlty
OP Basil Fawlty Regular Member • Posts: 237
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

BBR5 wrote:

In general I prefer DXO PureRAW because of the excellent noise reduction and overall rendering. But when using it I typically follow-up with LRc for additional editing (I have PureRAW, not PhotoLab).

From the samples you posited I think I would agree.  If I end up getting this lens, I may have to invest in DXO PR.  It would be interesting to play around with the Lightroom corrections (Adjust distortion and transform sliders maybe) to see what adjustments might be made to match as close as possible the DXO corrections.

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Abbott Schindler Veteran Member • Posts: 3,099
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners
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I use Capture One and can’t comment about LR, but you’ve already gotten a lot of input about LR and its profile for this lens.

The distortion, vignetting, and noticeable edge softening at the long end (reported in the reviews I read before buying the lens) are very easy to correct for in a single layer in Capture One. I assume you could do something similar in LR.

I bought this lens because I felt that the EF 16-35 + RF adapter was ungainly on the R5. Also, I really wanted the 14-16mm FL range, as it covers much of what I shoot with my 11-24L.

Before purchasing, I read several reviews from sources I’ve grown to trust, and from them had an idea of what to expect. Then I went shooting with a friend who kindly lent me his lens for a little while. I shot a number of images at the FL and aperture extremes and some in the center FL region. Sure enough, my shots were consistent with the reviews. I found the needed corrections trivial to make, and bought the lens without blinking. Now instead of needing to carry the huge 11-24 and 16-35, I’ve got one lens that does well for almost everything the other 2 did. I’m keeping the 11-24, but now I rarely need to carry it.

I don’t hesitate to recommend this lens if you need the ultra wide FL range. Overall it’s an excellent lens. As mentioned earlier, unlike EF L lenses that were optically excellent on their own, I have the feeling this lens was designed to require processing to achieve what I consider L-lens results.

grenow
grenow Regular Member • Posts: 141
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

I got my 14-35 last month and have thoroughly enjoyed using it. As other have said, it is relatively light and compact, and with the 70-200 f4 makes a very easy to carry "cover (almost) everything" kit.

Here's a couple of shots taken shortly after I got it, at 14 and 35.

14mm

35mm

It would make an excellent walk around cityscape/street lens, which I shall try next time I get to a city.

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Basil Fawlty
OP Basil Fawlty Regular Member • Posts: 237
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners
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Thanks for sharing the images - very nice!  Looks like the sky was on fire.

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Blue-Shift
Blue-Shift Regular Member • Posts: 140
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

Basil Fawlty wrote:

For anyone who actually has the RF 14-35:

1. Does Lightroom now have a correction profile for this lens? I've heard it has quite a bit of barrel distortion and vignetting at the wide end?

2. If LR has a profile now, how well does it work?

3. If you had it to do over, would you still get this lens, or would you get something else (like maybe RF 15-53 or EF 16-35, etc)? Why or why not?

Thanks in advance.

1. Yes and yes.

BUT there is a big advantage, too: If you deactivate the lightroom profile, you get closer to 12mm with good image quality. (with distortion and vignetting). Having that option can be very helpful, 12mm is an incredible focal range for such a compact package.

2. I could see no problems with it whatsoever.

3. I had the EF 16-35 before. It's a very good lens, and for many use cases it's fine keeping that one. I switched because:

1. Wanted to go all-native (not a strong reason, because adapting EF glass works perfectly)

2. The RF 14-35 can focus much closer, giving it 2x the magnification of the EF 16-35. That's quite an advantage for a flower guy like me.

3. The option to go wider while deactivating profile is so nice to have, I use this on a regular basis. It's useless for architecture, but most shots of living subjects (plants, portraits, animals...) will not be negatively affected by the distortion.

CamerEyes Regular Member • Posts: 266
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

Blue-Shift wrote:

Basil Fawlty wrote:

For anyone who actually has the RF 14-35:

1. Does Lightroom now have a correction profile for this lens? I've heard it has quite a bit of barrel distortion and vignetting at the wide end?

2. If LR has a profile now, how well does it work?

3. If you had it to do over, would you still get this lens, or would you get something else (like maybe RF 15-53 or EF 16-35, etc)? Why or why not?

Thanks in advance.

1. Yes and yes.

BUT there is a big advantage, too: If you deactivate the lightroom profile, you get closer to 12mm with good image quality. (with distortion and vignetting). Having that option can be very helpful, 12mm is an incredible focal range for such a compact package.

2. I could see no problems with it whatsoever.

3. I had the EF 16-35 before. It's a very good lens, and for many use cases it's fine keeping that one. I switched because:

1. Wanted to go all-native (not a strong reason, because adapting EF glass works perfectly)

2. The RF 14-35 can focus much closer, giving it 2x the magnification of the EF 16-35. That's quite an advantage for a flower guy like me.

3. The option to go wider while deactivating profile is so nice to have, I use this on a regular basis. It's useless for architecture, but most shots of living subjects (plants, portraits, animals...) will not be negatively affected by the distortion.

Don't you miss the EF16-35mm? I am about to walk down the path of trading it with the RF14-35. Biggest hesitation is the build quality.

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Blue-Shift
Blue-Shift Regular Member • Posts: 140
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners
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CamerEyes wrote:

Don't you miss the EF16-35mm? I am about to walk down the path of trading it with the RF14-35. Biggest hesitation is the build quality.

No, not at all.

I have to say that I was annoyed a bit at first about the extending design of the RF. All those complications for one cm extension! In that sense, I prefer the EF solution with a solid, rugged barrel that is 1cm longer.

But once I got the RF 14-35, I forgot about it quickly. It's build quality is beyond reproach, very solid feeling and every bit as good as the EF, but much more modern. I used it in strong rain a few times with no issues, also it got dirty several times and never was there any complaint.

I like this lens a lot despite it costing a steep premium over the EF - it was worth it for me.

CameraCarl Veteran Member • Posts: 9,193
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners

I don't miss the weight and size of the 16-35. I've never been hung up over plastic versus metal construction. My only annoyance with the 14-35 is that the control ring and the focusing ring are adjacent to one another.  Sometimes when I am focusing I move the control ring which I have set to zoom in to assist focus so the sudden appearance of the zoomed view can be disconcerting.

drsnoopy Senior Member • Posts: 1,216
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners
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Basil Fawlty wrote:

drsnoopy wrote:

Basil Fawlty wrote:

Wing2 wrote:

Distortion and vignetting is not serious after correction. The RAW file uncorrected does have serious distortion and vignetting. However, if you manually correct the RAW file, you can get as wide as 13mm

Thanks for your reply! Just curious, from your experience, was you zoom out, at what focal length would you say the uncorrected distortion and vignetting cease to be a problem? In other words, how bad is it at 15mm? 16mm?

Thanks

It’s irrelevant. Just use the profile (DPP, DXO, Adobe) and the distortion is corrected. It is designed to be used with a profile. If that troubles you, buy something else. Or use jpeg.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I ask him because I'm just curious. I am well aware that it can be fixed in post.

Hi - it was intended as a thoughtful post, not a criticism.  My point is it’s intended to be used that way, it’s not “fixed in post” because they never expect you to see it uncorrected.  Indeed you can’t view it on the camera without correction, in the EVF or on the LCD, and this is why the ability to turn correction off is greyed out in the menu.  In some other camera systems, Fujifilm for example, software correction is employed by being baked into the RAW file, and this with/without correction question never arises and isn’t even discussed, it’s basically a non-issue.

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CamerEyes Regular Member • Posts: 266
Re: Question(s) for RF 14-35 owners
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Blue-Shift wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

Don't you miss the EF16-35mm? I am about to walk down the path of trading it with the RF14-35. Biggest hesitation is the build quality.

No, not at all.

I have to say that I was annoyed a bit at first about the extending design of the RF. All those complications for one cm extension! In that sense, I prefer the EF solution with a solid, rugged barrel that is 1cm longer.

But once I got the RF 14-35, I forgot about it quickly. It's build quality is beyond reproach, very solid feeling and every bit as good as the EF, but much more modern. I used it in strong rain a few times with no issues, also it got dirty several times and never was there any complaint.

I like this lens a lot despite it costing a steep premium over the EF - it was worth it for me.

Thanks for this helpful feedback.

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