Show me your Hummers In-flight with your R7

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ? But after using the R7 for a month, I don't think for my typical shooting there is going to be too much I'd miss.

Anyway, Hummers In-flight are popular subjects, and the R7 is a popular so I figure someone might have some examples.

When you can fill the frame of anything with the R5 is when you will miss it.

John Crowe wrote:

When you can fill the frame of anything with the R5 is when you will miss it.

And that did happen like twice, in the 14 months I owned it 😀 lol Only being a little facetious.

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ? But after using the R7 for a month, I don't think for my typical shooting there is going to be too much I'd miss.

Anyway, Hummers In-flight are popular subjects, and the R7 is a popular so I figure someone might have some examples.

Here’s 2:

itsallBb2me wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ? But after using the R7 for a month, I don't think for my typical shooting there is going to be too much I'd miss.

Anyway, Hummers In-flight are popular subjects, and the R7 is a popular so I figure someone might have some examples.

Here’s 2:

Okay, thank you 🙂

Mechanical shutter ? I mean zero shutter roll, so I’d assume….

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

itsallBb2me wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ? But after using the R7 for a month, I don't think for my typical shooting there is going to be too much I'd miss.

Anyway, Hummers In-flight are popular subjects, and the R7 is a popular so I figure someone might have some examples.

Here’s 2:

Okay, thank you 🙂

Mechanical shutter ? I mean zero shutter roll, so I’d assume….

No, ES on both. Zero shutter roll for two reasons: no verticals in the background, and the birds were basically hovering. You get rolling shutter on a fast pan with a busy background. Quality fast pans with a hummer in full speed flight are few and far between.

da7329 wrote:

Will have thousands of shots in the next few months when they start to show up in force.

DA

With your R7 ? What shutter mode ? Do you like frozen wings with feather fiber detail ? Slightly blurred to show motion ? Or completely blurred wings with only a sharp body and head ? I prefer slightly blurred wings, but that’s just a personal preference. I’ve done all the above. 
I actually prefer to shoot mostly perched Hummers anyway… but I’m asking about Hummers in flight, because it seems like a type of photography that would definitely cause issues with rolling shutter (in ES mode) and then the mechanical shutter mode of the R7, WoW !  So loud and shutter shocking ! 😮
And don’t get me wrong….

I LOVE my R7 so much, I’m talking about selling my R5 and getting a second R7.

I’m just really reaching to find things the R7 might leave me disappointed with.

da7329 wrote:

The work horse for hummers around here has been a d500 with sigma 100-400. I got the R7 with rf 100-400 for a big weight savings high res sensor and advanced AF. The majority of the thousands of shots in the past with the d500 have been in the 1600 to 2000 SS range. That gives sharp eyes with some wing blur and not super high ISO with slow zoom lens. Have shot them into the sun at 8000 SS or so to get a rainbow effect in the wings. The only way to really dependably freeze the wings is with a multiple flash setup. Not had the R7 very long but electronic FC seems better than mechanical as less movement. Will try full electronic also to see how bad the wings look. Not worried about the sound or shutter shock as SS speeds are very high. Hummers are not bothered by sound that much around here.

DA

Awesome ! Thank you 🙂

Messier Object wrote:

itsallBb2me wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

itsallBb2me wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ? But after using the R7 for a month, I don't think for my typical shooting there is going to be too much I'd miss.

Anyway, Hummers In-flight are popular subjects, and the R7 is a popular so I figure someone might have some examples.

Here’s 2:

Okay, thank you 🙂

Mechanical shutter ? I mean zero shutter roll, so I’d assume….

No, ES on both. Zero shutter roll for two reasons: no verticals in the background, and the birds were basically hovering. You get rolling shutter on a fast pan with a busy background. Quality fast pans with a hummer in full speed flight are few and far between.

In my experience rolling shutter is often evident in the wing motion - usually more so than in the background due to panning.

see google search

We don't have hummingbirds here but even larger/slower birds show the effect, even with the flick of their tail like this fairywren

Peter

Peter

Well we have hundreds of Hummers around the house .... I'll trade you a few for a Fairy Wren 🙂👍

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ?

Same thinking here - but when one gets close to filling the R7 frame such that cropping off a wing, tail or legs etc - the R5 comes into its own.  Those larger pixels excel at higher ISO too - and with closer subjects a long lenses chance for even better background blur.  45 MP high quality pixels gives great cropping power too - the R7s are nice but I don’t think one gets a full 1.37X extender effect.  There seems less (but still some) rolling shutter on R5.

So given the used price I would get now for my R5 not being great - the camera has some cosmetic marks from use - plus some unique benefits - mine is a keeper

KevinRA wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ?

Same thinking here - but when one gets close to filling the R7 frame such that cropping off a wing, tail or legs etc - the R5 comes into its own. Those larger pixels excel at higher ISO too - and with closer subjects a long lenses chance for even better background blur. 45 MP high quality pixels gives great cropping power too - the R7s are nice but I don’t think one gets a full 1.37X extender effect. There seems less (but still some) rolling shutter on R5.

So given the used price I would get now for my R5 not being great - the camera has some cosmetic marks from use - plus some unique benefits - mine is a keeper

No doubt the R5 is an amazing camera. I've definitely considered all the stuff you mentioned... 100 X's lol

Really, I think my biggest reason for wanting to drop the R5 for another R7, has just been my experience with the R7 for the last month, then trying to go back to the R5. I just didn't enjoy it, and my R5 didn't perform as well, in my backyard testing.... Or, in the field. And the thing about the back yard testing, is that I was able to get really close to my subjects (we have a bunch of feeders, and hundreds of small birds all day long. Its like an aviary :)) And still, my keeper rate was just not as good. I never thought shutter shock was an issue with the R5.... but compared to the R7 which I have shot in 100% ES mode, it seems like shutter shock might be a problem, even at higher shutter speeds. Remember, I typically shoot at 800mm... or a 1280mm equivalent with the R7.

Of course the week after I sell it, Canon is going to come out with this huge firmware update, giving sound, and maybe different fps options to the R5.... which would help a TON !

And... see my update below....

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

KevinRA wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ?

Same thinking here - but when one gets close to filling the R7 frame such that cropping off a wing, tail or legs etc - the R5 comes into its own. Those larger pixels excel at higher ISO too - and with closer subjects a long lenses chance for even better background blur. 45 MP high quality pixels gives great cropping power too - the R7s are nice but I don’t think one gets a full 1.37X extender effect. There seems less (but still some) rolling shutter on R5.

So given the used price I would get now for my R5 not being great - the camera has some cosmetic marks from use - plus some unique benefits - mine is a keeper

No doubt the R5 is an amazing camera. I've definitely considered all the stuff you mentioned... 100 X's lol

Really, I think my biggest reason for wanting to drop the R5 for another R7, has just been my experience with the R7 for the last month, then trying to go back to the R5. I just didn't enjoy it, and my R5 didn't perform as well, in my backyard testing.... Or, in the field. And the thing about the back yard testing, is that I was able to get really close to my subjects (we have a bunch of feeders, and hundreds of small birds all day long. Its like an aviary :)) And still, my keeper rate was just not as good. I never thought shutter shock was an issue with the R5.... but compared to the R7 which I have shot in 100% ES mode, it seems like shutter shock might be a problem, even at higher shutter speeds. Remember, I typically shoot at 800mm... or a 1280mm equivalent with the R7.

Of course the week after I sell it, Canon is going to come out with this huge firmware update, giving sound, and maybe different fps options to the R5.... which would help a TON !

And... see my update below....

I'll probably go with KEH for the body, and MPB for a couple lenses and accessories.... My quotes for all that stuff is $3300.

But anyway, besides my personal experiences with both of these cameras, 14 months for the R5 and 1 month and probably 25,000 shots taken with the R7.....

I have been PM'ing with 3 photography friends who each also own the R5 and the R7.

One says he will keep his R5 around for video. (I never shoot video)

Another says, "If he could get a bit more for his R5", he would probably sell it for another R7.

The other does more wide angle stuff than I do, plus some video.... but still uses his R7 more, and for my shooting, he agrees two R7's would probably be a good idea.

And all 3 of these folks ^ are phenomenal photographers ! ....or should I say, folks I aspire to shoot like ! {I mean, you wouldn't ask folks for advice, if you thought your stuff was better than theirs anyway, right lol)

.... and none think I'm crazy. Certainly not as crazy as I think I am lol

Another thought, whatever happens in the future, with new bodies and such, having $1500 "per body" invested, won't feel like such a huge deal, or where I feel like I'm so locked in. $4K for the R5, is probably more than I need to have invested in 1 body in the first place. So the R5 might end up being the closest thing to a professional body I'll ever get to. It's been nice... but it's time to say good bye.

PS, Plus now, I'm probably going to be shoving that second R7 in my GF's hands, more often when we are out..... probably with the RF 100-400 on it. She likes wider angle, more artsy stuff. Perfect for her

itsallBb2me wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

itsallBb2me wrote:

Mechanical shutter ? I mean zero shutter roll, so I’d assume….

No, ES on both. Zero shutter roll for two reasons: no verticals in the background, and the birds were basically hovering. You get rolling shutter on a fast pan with a busy background. Quality fast pans with a hummer in full speed flight are few and far between.

No shutter roll because the wings are at their limits of travel.  At the point when the wings are reversing direction, they are essentially not moving, or moving at relatively low speed.  At any other position in their travel, electronic shutter can show extreme distortion of the wings.

When you shoot only telephoto then the R7 makes sense, and since you need a second body for another person then it may as well be another R7.

Cash in on the R5, and enjoy them.

John Crowe wrote:

When you shoot only telephoto then the R7 makes sense, and since you need a second body for another person then it may as well be another R7.

Cash in on the R5, and enjoy them.

I wasn't 100% sure I'd do this last night... Or even this morning. But I am now. Started my shipping process for the R5 with KEH and a couple of lenses and accessories with MBP. Shipping all of it out tomorrow.

Buying another R7 + RF 100-400 + Flexshooter Pro tripod head... And should have $500 to spare for my troubles 🙂

KevinRA wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

If you can't tell, I'm really torturing myself with the thought of selling my R5. Trying to imagine any of the things that I could do, or do much better with my R5, than my R7 ?

Same thinking here - but when one gets close to filling the R7 frame such that cropping off a wing, tail or legs etc - the R5 comes into its own. Those larger pixels excel at higher ISO too - and with closer subjects a long lenses chance for even better background blur. 45 MP high quality pixels gives great cropping power too - the R7s are nice but I don’t think one gets a full 1.37X extender effect. There seems less (but still some) rolling shutter on R5.

So given the used price I would get now for my R5 not being great - the camera has some cosmetic marks from use - plus some unique benefits - mine is a keeper

The R5 was my first FF camera - had a 7DII and now a M6 II - and played with the idea to switch to the R7 when it came out, but I learned to appreciate the R5. I can compare both sensors, and there definitely is a difference at low light.

I will keep my M system as light and performant day to day gear.

No need for RF-S at the moment.

No R7 here, and no hummers for a few months.  Besides, many of my hummer pictures are disappointingly fuzzy.  Not sure why, yet.

How are you doing?  Are you high and dry?  Not flooded or covered in snow?