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philt23 New Member • Posts: 6
M or R ???
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I have been using M3 and then M5 since they were released, and have all lenses except 28 and 18-150 (plus a bunch of EF lenses)

So when it came time for a new camera, the dilemma was -

  1. move away from the M series, and move to R, or
  2. see if I could pick up a new copy of an M6MkII, and stay with the M.

I love using my M cameras, and being recently retired, did not want the expenses of new lenses if I moved to R.

Most if not all threads in this forum and others, are very positive about the M6MkII, and it seems to be a bit of a step up from M5.

I found a supplier of new M6II's in Hong Kong, and took delivery earlier this week.

What a great camera! It certainly has quite a few new functions, and it will keep me occupied for quite a while coming to grips with them.

In astronomy circles, when someone buys a new telescope or mount, then cloudy skies are almost guaranteed for the next month or so.

So, now I have bought what some think is the last of the M series,,,,,,, I reckon it's now time for the new model........

Cheers Phil

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YehudaKatz Senior Member • Posts: 2,512
I'm very happy with my two M50's and have no intension to upgrade to mark II.

philt23 wrote:

I have been using M3 and then M5 since they were released, and have all lenses except 28 and 18-150 (plus a bunch of EF lenses)

So when it came time for a new camera, the dilemma was -

  1. move away from the M series, and move to R, or
  2. see if I could pick up a new copy of an M6MkII, and stay with the M.

I love using my M cameras, and being recently retired, did not want the expenses of new lenses if I moved to R.

Most if not all threads in this forum and others, are very positive about the M6MkII, and it seems to be a bit of a step up from M5.

I found a supplier of new M6II's in Hong Kong, and took delivery earlier this week.

What a great camera! It certainly has quite a few new functions, and it will keep me occupied for quite a while coming to grips with them.

In astronomy circles, when someone buys a new telescope or mount, then cloudy skies are almost guaranteed for the next month or so.

So, now I have bought what some think is the last of the M series,,,,,,, I reckon it's now time for the new model........

Cheers Phil

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Ali Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
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M6II is a fantastic camera, and since you already have a pretty good lineup of lenses, seems like a great choice. Enjoy!

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,528
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Ali wrote:

M6II is a fantastic camera, and since you already have a pretty good lineup of lenses, seems like a great choice. Enjoy!

A big +1.

Congrats, it's an excellent camera.  Here's a link to the M6ii Tips & Tricks thread...

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4433968

Enjoy!

R2

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Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
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You came to the right place if you're looking for support for your camera and system choice!

The M6ii is a great camera. Newer R may have more bells and whistles like better AF, better video, and IBIS -- however I don't think we'll see such a compact, portable system that packs the power of the M6ii and some of the excellent, fast, sharp native Canon and third party EOS M lenses ever again.

I use the M6ii for everything, including astro --- I think it makes a great astro camera because its small size and weight make it so easy to mount on a star tracker mount, or a telescope, and the removable EVF and tilting rear screen are great for astro as well. I have a tilting EVF-DC1 as well as the fixed EVF-Dc2 and both are quite useful in different circumstances.

I like the camera so much I stocked up and now own 3 M6ii bodies plus the full set of EF-M lenses! I recently got the Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3 in EF mount which is a fabulous lens for astro as well.

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I don't own the M6ii but own the M50ii instead which I love as it is exactly what I wanted (built-in EVF so that I can use my external flashes, fully-articulating screen, fast AF).

Aside from the M50ii, the Sigma f/1.4s (16,30 and my all-time favourite the 56mm) is the other reason I see no need to move to the R-system.

Long live the M-format!

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,528
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Larry Rexley wrote:

You came to the right place if you're looking for support for your camera and system choice!

The M6ii is a great camera. Newer R may have more bells and whistles like better AF, better video, and IBIS -- however I don't think we'll see such a compact, portable system that packs the power of the M6ii and some of the excellent, fast, sharp native Canon and third party EOS M lenses ever again.

I use the M6ii for everything, including astro --- I think it makes a great astro camera because its small size and weight make it so easy to mount on a star tracker mount, or a telescope, and the removable EVF and tilting rear screen are great for astro as well. I have a tilting EVF-DC1 as well as the fixed EVF-Dc2 and both are quite useful in different circumstances.

I like the camera so much I stocked up and now own 3 M6ii bodies plus the full set of EF-M lenses! I recently got the Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3 in EF mount which is a fabulous lens for astro as well.

THREEE M6ii bodies???   Larry, you da Man!

Indeed, nothing else like it out there!  Enjoy!  

R2

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MyM6II Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
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R2D2 wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

You came to the right place if you're looking for support for your camera and system choice!

The M6ii is a great camera. Newer R may have more bells and whistles like better AF, better video, and IBIS -- however I don't think we'll see such a compact, portable system that packs the power of the M6ii and some of the excellent, fast, sharp native Canon and third party EOS M lenses ever again.

I use the M6ii for everything, including astro --- I think it makes a great astro camera because its small size and weight make it so easy to mount on a star tracker mount, or a telescope, and the removable EVF and tilting rear screen are great for astro as well. I have a tilting EVF-DC1 as well as the fixed EVF-Dc2 and both are quite useful in different circumstances.

I like the camera so much I stocked up and now own 3 M6ii bodies plus the full set of EF-M lenses! I recently got the Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3 in EF mount which is a fabulous lens for astro as well.

THREEE M6ii bodies??? Larry, you da Man!

Damn. I only have two. I need to step up. 😁

Indeed, nothing else like it out there! Enjoy!

R2

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Larry Rexley Senior Member • Posts: 1,238
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MyM6II wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

Larry Rexley wrote:

You came to the right place if you're looking for support for your camera and system choice!

The M6ii is a great camera. Newer R may have more bells and whistles like better AF, better video, and IBIS -- however I don't think we'll see such a compact, portable system that packs the power of the M6ii and some of the excellent, fast, sharp native Canon and third party EOS M lenses ever again.

I use the M6ii for everything, including astro --- I think it makes a great astro camera because its small size and weight make it so easy to mount on a star tracker mount, or a telescope, and the removable EVF and tilting rear screen are great for astro as well. I have a tilting EVF-DC1 as well as the fixed EVF-Dc2 and both are quite useful in different circumstances.

I like the camera so much I stocked up and now own 3 M6ii bodies plus the full set of EF-M lenses! I recently got the Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3 in EF mount which is a fabulous lens for astro as well.

THREEE M6ii bodies??? Larry, you da Man!

Damn. I only have two. I need to step up. 😁

Indeed, nothing else like it out there! Enjoy!

R2

It made a lot of sense to me to move to 3 bodies. When I'm out shooting, almost always I use two bodies, and I'll pack 4-5 lenses. Using two bodies saves a lot of time changing lenses, allows me to concentrate on shooting quite a range of subjects quickly without a lens change, and reduces the chance of dust or salt getting on the sensor when I'm shooting birds or sunsets at the shore, often on windy days.

I'm frequently out shooting on the bicycle an hour before sunset. I'll shoot with zooms when the light is good, then switch to primes when the light goes down at or after sunset.

For sunsets I'll have a long telephoto on one camera for closeup images of the sun framed with interesting elements on the horizon like the shoreline, people, a pier, a fisherman, boats, a lighthouse, etc. and a second with a wide angle lens to capture the beautiful Florida sunset sky colors.

When I shoot trains for youtube videos, two and even 3 bodies come in handy for different shots and camera angles of 'special' or rare trains and locomotives. One on a tripod on one side of the train, the other two on my person across the track to catch the other side of the train: one with a tele zoom for when the train is approaching and one with a wide for when it passes, as in this video:

https://youtu.be/UmXUwhkN_RM

I usually use 3 bodies for rocket launches from Cape Canaveral --- I will typically have one camera running a time-lapse video with the 32mm lens, another on a tripod for a super-close-up 4k video of the rocket in flight with the Sigma 150-600mm f5-6.3 C, and a third which my son runs on a tripod with the Rexley converted EF-S 55-250 IS STM + Kenko 1.5x SHQ teleconverter for high quality still shots. Here is an example:

https://youtu.be/BDdYa6RDQNg

For astro I'm usually taking a long sequence of many 'light frames' for 'stacking' of a single deep sky object through the telescope or with a tele lens (usually the Roki 135mm f2 or Siggy 150-600). Typically each deep sky object takes 15 to 60 minutes or more of 'exposure' time which completely ties up that camera body, and I can use the 'focus stacking' feature of the M6ii with a manual focus lens to set up a long, continuous sequence of many exposures so I don't have to run the camera the whole time. I'll then use a second body will be shooting wide-field pictures of the Milky Way, or 'meteor hunting' with a wide angle lens like the Roki 12mm f2 or Siggy 16mm f1.4.

My reasoning for 3 bodies is that I'm very happy overall with the M6ii camera --- it has a huge set of features, great usability, and I love its compact size, flexible removable EVF, and tilting rear screen. I tried shooting with an M6ii and M50ii as the second body --- they were just different enough to drive me crazy and miss shots trying to use the M50ii as I would the M6ii. After a few months of that I eBayed the M50ii and went with a second refurb M6ii with the EVF-DC1 for a little variety, and using 2 identical bodies with identical customizations is seamless. I shoot normally with a silver body and a black body to easily tell them apart.

When the R7 was released with its similar 32 MP IQ at double the price, and then the M6ii refurb went on fire sale for $550, I realized a backup M6ii body for the 2 I had was going to extend the life of my system for a very long time, since I will always want to shoot with 2 bodies at the same time. I'm very happy with the EOS M lens selection I have (see my equipment list) and it would cost a small fortune to attempt to duplicate it with the R7 --- plus buying 2 R7 bodies in itself is quite expensive!

In addition to the 3 M6ii bodies,. I also have 2 M200 bodies (a black one and a white one I converted to full-spectrum IR). The M200 bodies are so small that I do sometimes take the black M200 with me with either a kit lens or the 22mm f2, as it will fit in my pocket on family outings. I take the full-spectrum M200 out when I want to shoot IR.

Due to the slightly softer images you get with dual-spectrum or super color IR, given the fact that the wide range of wavelengths the full spectrum has, the M200's 24 MP gives essentially the same IQ you'd get from the M6ii's higher res sensor.

I must say I wasn't expecting a whole lot from the M200, however I find it to be a very respectable and usable camera, a great inexpensive backup to the M6ii. Even though it's supposedly an entry-level camera --- allowing for the fact that you will always use the rear screen as it has no EVF --- I found that using the rear screen to set 'everything' even in manual mode is quick and easy, as fast as using the controls on the M6ii. Its limitations for me are that it only shoots 24 fps in 4k mode (not 30 fps which I really want to youtube), has no mike input, and has no custom modes on the dial. But used for stills in manual shooting, it really isn't as much different than using the M6ii --- and in many cases the IQ of the M200 is quite similar to the M6ii.

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OP philt23 New Member • Posts: 6
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Thanks everyone for the welcome and encouragement.

Yep the M system is awesome, and so is this forum!!!

Cheers Phil

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Larry, you can always leave the house with 3 M6ii bodies and 3 different lenses mounted to be ready for anything! 🤗

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nwboater33 Regular Member • Posts: 201
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I love my M6 MKii. It's a nice improvement over my M50 that I had previously been using.

With all the talk going on for quite awhile about the demise of the M System I got concerned about what I would do if my M6 MKii had a problem. I have a nice collection of M lenses so feel fairly committed to the system.

At age 81 I just want my camera body to outlast my old human body! So I recently bought a used M6 MKII (body only) from MPB as a backup. The price was fair, I guess. Nice surprise was the camera looks like new and even came in a proper Canon box with battery and misc.

With the recent backup body and my old M50 I'm pretty sure I will be taking M photos into the grave. I really do like the system and in no way could justify one of the R camera's no matter how appealing they might be.

To further commit myself to M & EF I recently bought a Siggy 150-600. What a different world with that lens! I want to learn some bird photography but am finding it an interesting challenge with the heavy lens and fast moving birds. I did though get some good shots at a local small lake of ducks and swans. They are more my speed!

Cheers, Rod

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ex human Regular Member • Posts: 194
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RF for FF; EF-M for APS-C, all the way.

philt23 wrote:

I have been using M3 and then M5 since they were released, and have all lenses except 28 and 18-150 (plus a bunch of EF lenses)

So when it came time for a new camera, the dilemma was -

  1. move away from the M series, and move to R, or
  2. see if I could pick up a new copy of an M6MkII, and stay with the M.

I love using my M cameras, and being recently retired, did not want the expenses of new lenses if I moved to R.

Most if not all threads in this forum and others, are very positive about the M6MkII, and it seems to be a bit of a step up from M5.

I found a supplier of new M6II's in Hong Kong, and took delivery earlier this week.

What a great camera! It certainly has quite a few new functions, and it will keep me occupied for quite a while coming to grips with them.

In astronomy circles, when someone buys a new telescope or mount, then cloudy skies are almost guaranteed for the next month or so.

So, now I have bought what some think is the last of the M series,,,,,,, I reckon it's now time for the new model........

Cheers Phil

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casus Regular Member • Posts: 148
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philt23 wrote:

So, now I have bought what some think is the last of the M series,,,,,,, I reckon it's now time for the new model........

I would go with M6II for next 3-4 years. R7 and R10 have no lenses yet and they won't for at least next 3-4 years. I usually buy a camera for 8 years, my M6II is already 3 years old, I will think about my next camera in 5 years, until then I am safe

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I actually considered to sell my M gear, but the prices for sellers are down and, it it seems to take more time to sell than about 2 years ago.

For now I'll stick to it.

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Congrats. Enjoy!

i purchased a new M50 MKII and a large number of lenses in Jan-Feb. and like you I already have a large number of EF and EF-S lenses. I am very happy with with the M50 and lenses, and enjoy the size, weight and quality of pictures. Also I saw no need to give big money to Canon for the R system esp. with its approach to proprietary lenses.

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OnTheTrail Regular Member • Posts: 104
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For those of you writing about your use of multiple bodies:

1) seriously thanks

2) and in a more light hearted comment, why did you have to put that idea in my head?!?! I see an M6 MKII in my future….

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OnTheTrail wrote:

Congrats. Enjoy!

i purchased a new M50 MKII and a large number of lenses in Jan-Feb. and like you I already have a large number of EF and EF-S lenses. I am very happy with with the M50 and lenses, and enjoy the size, weight and quality of pictures. Also I saw no need to give big money to Canon for the R system esp. with its approach to proprietary lenses.

I love the M50Mkii. I recently shot a destination wedding with an M50ii and an M50 and very happy with the results and performance. The Mkii had the edge on focusing speed and accuracy especially paired with the Sigma "beauties" (56/1.4 and 30/1.4). I often have to pinch myself that this small package produces results that are comparable with my old wedding kit that comprised of 5DMkiii paired with L glass with the M-kit actually producing more "keepers"...

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