Maximum SD card for Sigma DP2 classic

Jhnns wrote:

Hello,

does anyone know what maximum SD card one can use in the classic DP2? I already used 16GB. But would it also be possible to use 32 or 64GB?

Best wishes!

Not 64 but 32!

take good care ejecting cards from the dp2,,I once shot a card over the entire living room:)

Jozef M wrote:

Classic:

• of the first or highest quality, class, or rank.
• serving as a standard, model, or guide.
• a work that is honored as definitive in its field.
• A classic is often something old that is still popular.
• A classic can be something old that remains prized or valuable.
• Manufacturers frequently describe their products as classic, to distinguish the original from a new variety, or to imply qualities in the product.

I looked this up for you, from Wikipedia and dictionary com.
In my humble opinion, none of these statements of 'classic' apply to this Sigma digital camera.
Besides, I don't think you should use the word 'classic' for digital devices, which only have a limited lifespan.

Of course, this is my opinion, and everyone does what they want ...

Jozef.

Digital devices can last as long as non digital devices, there are film cameras with digital technology in them that are 20-30 years old that are still working fine, so I don't think that the definition of 'classic' is misplaced in that context. The DP Merrills have very few moving parts, basically just the lens af mechanism, top dial and the shutter, so potentially they could last for a very long time. Ironically most early DP's will eventually fail due to the ribbon cable moving the lens, a common issue with these. The common determinator is likely to be how the cameras are stored when not in use, and how they are protected from the elements when in use. Moisture and extremes of temperature are likely to be long term camera killers, though film cameras are also subject to that. I've resurrected a few mechanical film cameras which have seized over time.

I fancy my Merrills are likely to last for a long time, the main weakness is the top dial contacts, but that can be relatively easily fixed without dismantling the camera. Their simplicity is one of the most appealing things about them, apart from the IQ, IMHO.

wood_gnome wrote:

Hi!

I do not know the working maximum, but the larger the card the more time it takes to format it inside the camera. The bigger the cards capacity the more it might slow down the camera, even to a point, where the cam becomes practically unusable.

As stated by others, the Sigma DP2 accepts SD cards up to 32GB, because it is labelled SDHC (SDHC cards adhere to the SDA 2 standard which allows a 32GB maximum capacity, while SDXC cards adhere to the SDA 3 standard up to a 2TB capacity).

I have never observed any slowdown when using a 32GB SD card on my DP1 and DP2 cameras.

All SDHC cards are formatted when you buy them, so there is absolutely no need to format them inside the camera. You can use them right away without any adverse effect. Even in the unlikely case a card is not formatted or has an unrecognized format, it will not damage your camera and you will just get an error message. Then it is easy to format it in your computer if you think it takes too long to do so in your camera.

After a day of shooting with my DP2, I take out the SD card, put it in a card reader and transfer the folder containing the image files to a NAS disk by using the Windows "Move" function. When the transfer is complete, I rename the folder with the date of the day in the form YYYY-MM-DD and eject the card.

If I have used a second camera on the same day, I repeat the procedure with the memory card from that camera too. When I rename the folder on my storage disk to YYYY-MM-DD, the operating system warns me that there is already a folder with the same name on the destination disk, asking me if I want to merge both folders. I answer "Yes", thus insuring that all files from that day en up in the same folder.

All the files having been transferred to the storage disk, the memory cards are now empty and can be put back inside their respective cameras without having to format them.

I have been using this workflow for more than 20 years without ever formatting a memory card or losing an image file. I can guarantee there is absolutely no slowdown in operation even after years of usage.

I have several Sandisk Extreme Pro 8GB (95MB/s) and 32GB (95MB/s) SDHC cards. The 32GB Sandisks are fine with the SD15, only formatting inside the cam feels like 5 minutes. Otherwise the 32GB cards perform well inside the SD15. The very same Sandisk 32GB cards put into the old DP1 or DP1s will make these cameras slower and even painfully slower, the more files are saved on the card. It becomes impossible to sift through the pictures on the card and sort out unwanted pics after a certain amount of RAWs have gathered on the card.

When I go on vacation, I often fill up more than one 32GB card before I can transfer the files to my computer. Upon returning home, I transfer all the files on the memory cards to my storage disk using the above procedure -it takes only a few minutes per card- and put back the empty cards for use without formatting them. I have never noticed any adverse effet or slowdown in operation.

Cheers!

Abbazz

Lots of other definitions for the word "Classic".  Although I have to admit, digital cameras in general are too new to be labeled "Classic".  Used for books and also "It was a classic  example of ...blah blah blah blah blah blah."

Gosh...Sigma better get their new camera out  soon or it could be a classic before  it is released.  Or maybe even an antique!!!:-(

Jozef M wrote:

WeirdSheep wrote:

Jozef M wrote:

Classic:

• of the first or highest quality, class, or rank.
• serving as a standard, model, or guide.
• a work that is honored as definitive in its field.
• A classic is often something old that is still popular.
• A classic can be something old that remains prized or valuable.
• Manufacturers frequently describe their products as classic, to distinguish the original from a new variety, or to imply qualities in the product.

I looked this up for you, from Wikipedia and dictionary com.
In my humble opinion, none of these statements of 'classic' apply to this Sigma digital camera.
Besides, I don't think you should use the word 'classic' for digital devices, which only have a limited lifespan.

Of course, this is my opinion, and everyone does what they want ...

Jozef.

Digital devices can last as long as non digital devices,

Maybe you should read what the experts think about this subject, I believe them much more then I believe you ...
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4612488

Why do I need someone else to create my opinion for me? It doesn't concern me whether you believe me or not, though it seems that having your own opinion is fine, as long as no-one challenges it. I have 30 year old cameras with digital technology in them still working fine, why anyone would think I'd lie about that I have no idea.

Several digital devices gave up on me, cameras, portable hard drives, digital lens (Canon), so I can speak of experience.

Plenty of film cameras malfunctioned and failed when they were popular too, so I'm not sure what your sample size of one is meant to prove? I have had digital devices fail on me too, and mechanical devices, it happens, it doesn't mean that digital devices automatically won't survive for years though. The quality of the components used is critical to the longevity of any device, mechanical or digital, and the amount of use it gets. There are servers on the internet that have been running for 30 years, the only reason they'll be retired is because of obsolescence.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3162416/booted-up-in-1993-this-server-still-runs-but-not-for-much-longer.html

The other point I would make is that some devices are deliberately made not to last, built in obsolescence, there's no profit in that according to some manufacturers, who ignore the customer service and loyalty part of that equation.

I also think I made some reasonable points, there's no need to be so combative.

Jozef

there are film cameras with digital technology in them that are 20-30 years old that are still working fine, so I don't think that the definition of 'classic' is misplaced in that context. The DP Merrills have very few moving parts, basically just the lens af mechanism, top dial and the shutter, so potentially they could last for a very long time. Ironically most early DP's will eventually fail due to the ribbon cable moving the lens, a common issue with these. The common determinator is likely to be how the cameras are stored when not in use, and how they are protected from the elements when in use. Moisture and extremes of temperature are likely to be long term camera killers, though film cameras are also subject to that. I've resurrected a few mechanical film cameras which have seized over time.

I fancy my Merrills are likely to last for a long time, the main weakness is the top dial contacts, but that can be relatively easily fixed without dismantling the camera. Their simplicity is one of the most appealing things about them, apart from the IQ, IMHO.

Jozef M wrote:

WeirdSheep wrote:

Jozef M wrote:

WeirdSheep wrote:

Jozef M wrote:

Classic:

• of the first or highest quality, class, or rank.
• serving as a standard, model, or guide.
• a work that is honored as definitive in its field.
• A classic is often something old that is still popular.
• A classic can be something old that remains prized or valuable.
• Manufacturers frequently describe their products as classic, to distinguish the original from a new variety, or to imply qualities in the product.

I looked this up for you, from Wikipedia and dictionary com.
In my humble opinion, none of these statements of 'classic' apply to this Sigma digital camera.
Besides, I don't think you should use the word 'classic' for digital devices, which only have a limited lifespan.

Of course, this is my opinion, and everyone does what they want ...

Jozef.

Digital devices can last as long as non digital devices,

Maybe you should read what the experts think about this subject, I believe them much more then I believe you ...
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4612488

Why do I need someone else to create my opinion for me? It doesn't concern me whether you believe me or not, though it seems that having your own opinion is fine, as long as no-one challenges it. I have 30 year old cameras with digital technology in them still working fine, why anyone would think I'd lie about that I have no idea.

I never said you lie about this, did I???

Not explicitly, but you implied you didn't believe me.

And speaking with your own words: 'I'm not sure what your sample size of one (or 2 or 3) is meant to prove?'

Indeed, my opinion is equally as valid as yours, though obviously I made the mistake of challenging yours with some logical statements you didn't like.

Read what the specialists and experts say about the durability of digital components in the link I gave you, then you will become a bit smarter and not think you have all the wisdom.

You linked to a DPReview post, I'm not sure how this qualifies those people as experts? My own personal experience is enough for me to have an opinion on this, I literally gave you an excellent example to support that as well. I'm not sure how you draw the conclusion I claim to 'have all the wisdom', something that was clearly not implied by anything I wrote.

I, myself, am always willing to learn from people who are more knowledgeable about a subject, and as a result change my opinion on it as well.
I think you still have a lot to learn in life. This is all I have to say to you on this subject.

Well that's demonstrably not true, as I have plenty of experience of electronics, experience you have no knowledge of, though I did try to impart that via my opinion, but obviously I made the cardinal mistake of offering you an alternative opinion, which clearly you don't like and summarily rejected.

Next time you post perhaps you can add the caveat 'This opinion is not open for discussion, alternative opinions are not welcome', or something similar. This will then stop others making the same mistake I made, thinking a civil discussion and exchange of ideas is possible with you.

Jozef

Several digital devices gave up on me, cameras, portable hard drives, digital lens (Canon), so I can speak of experience.

Plenty of film cameras malfunctioned and failed when they were popular too, so I'm not sure what your sample size of one is meant to prove? I have had digital devices fail on me too, and mechanical devices, it happens, it doesn't mean that digital devices automatically won't survive for years though. The quality of the components used is critical to the longevity of any device, mechanical or digital, and the amount of use it gets. There are servers on the internet that have been running for 30 years, the only reason they'll be retired is because of obsolescence.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3162416/booted-up-in-1993-this-server-still-runs-but-not-for-much-longer.html

The other point I would make is that some devices are deliberately made not to last, built in obsolescence, there's no profit in that according to some manufacturers, who ignore the customer service and loyalty part of that equation.

I also think I made some reasonable points, there's no need to be so combative.

wood_gnome wrote:

Abbazz wrote:

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When I go on vacation, I often fill up more than one 32GB card before I can transfer the files to my computer. Upon returning home, I transfer all the files on the memory cards to my storage disk using the above procedure -it takes only a few minutes per card- and put back the empty cards for use without formatting them. I have never noticed any adverse effect or slowdown in operation.

Cheers!

Abbazz

Nobody said, there will be any problem with transfering data from the biggest memory cards into a home computer. The question was, how a "big" cards filled with many pictures behave inside the camera. My experience is, that the older DP cams quickly get overwhelmed and slowed down much, as soon as there are hundreds of RAWs saved on a big card. So better use a smaller card, and empty the card daily, or change card daily, if possible.

Greetings and hava a nice day!

What I was trying to say, and maybe my wording wasn't clear enough, is that, even with a full 32GB card inside my DP1 or DP2, I have never noticed any adverse effect or slowdown in operation.

Cheers!

Abbazz