Maximize image quality on the Canon EOS RP? No shutter shock?

Will using the e-shutter lower the bit-depth? I want to shoot at 14-bit RAW at all times.

Is there any evidence of shutter shock? If so, how to minimize it and maximize image quality?

Which shutter mode will have the best image quality such as minimal banding and rolling shutter?

E shutter is 12 bit raw. On the RP, e-shutter is only available in a creative auto setting called “Silent Shutter”. The camera is in full control of all exposure settings there. You can’t even use exposure compensation. It also provides no advantage in frame rate on the RP.

The only other option is electronic first curtain.  There is no full mechanical shutter. Good news with EFCS is that there isn’t any rolling shutter. It’s fairly quiet. I haven’t noticed banding under artificial light like I do with e-shutter.  And it haven’t noticed any shutter shock.

You can ‘trick’ the RP into shooting a true e-shutter by doing two shot focus brackets for everything. Focus bracketing is always e-shutter but lets you use all PASM modes.

JustUs7 wrote:

E shutter is 12 bit raw. On the RP, e-shutter is only available in a creative auto setting called “Silent Shutter”. The camera is in full control of all exposure settings there. You can’t even use exposure compensation. It also provides no advantage in frame rate on the RP.

The only other option is electronic first curtain. There is no full mechanical shutter. Good news with EFCS is that there isn’t any rolling shutter. It’s fairly quiet. I haven’t noticed banding under artificial light like I do with e-shutter. And it haven’t noticed any shutter shock.

You can ‘trick’ the RP into shooting a true e-shutter by doing two shot focus brackets for everything. Focus bracketing is always e-shutter but lets you use all PASM modes.

Oh that's a nice workaround.

Shame it cannot be combined with H-mode for multiple shots with a/f.

As an aside I see the R8 efcs shutter is rated for 100K actuations and I guess RP might be the same.

Cheers

Paul

Sgt_Strider wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

E shutter is 12 bit raw. On the RP, e-shutter is only available in a creative auto setting called “Silent Shutter”. The camera is in full control of all exposure settings there. You can’t even use exposure compensation. It also provides no advantage in frame rate on the RP.

The only other option is electronic first curtain. There is no full mechanical shutter. Good news with EFCS is that there isn’t any rolling shutter. It’s fairly quiet. I haven’t noticed banding under artificial light like I do with e-shutter. And it haven’t noticed any shutter shock.

You can ‘trick’ the RP into shooting a true e-shutter by doing two shot focus brackets for everything. Focus bracketing is always e-shutter but lets you use all PASM modes.

So the RP have a similar shutter mechanism as the R8?

Will EFCS output a 14-bit RAW file?

The R8 has a much higher frame rate available and doesn’t have the RP’s restriction on e-shutter use. You could say it’s a more highly developed version. EFCS is 14 bit on all the camera bodies, ES is 12 bit.

I’ve never seen shutter shock on my RP.  Note that the RP has a slow read out so if you do use the ES for fast moving objects or panning, you will get very substantial rolling shutter.  This is due to it being a dSLR sensor, and it wasn’t designed for use of ES in this situation, hence the restricted ES mode.

Do you already have an RP, or just enquiring? For me, the main issue with the RP is not its shutter or its dynamic range (your other thread), but it has slower frame rate and the AF less advanced, compared to the later bodies. If you want the latest standards, the RP is not the right choice. Also no IBIS (not on R8 either).  If you are happy with a camera that does most things well, and has full frame image quality, but isn’t really up to sports or wildlife, then it’s a superb choice for such a low cost.

Sgt_Strider wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

E shutter is 12 bit raw. On the RP, e-shutter is only available in a creative auto setting called “Silent Shutter”. The camera is in full control of all exposure settings there. You can’t even use exposure compensation. It also provides no advantage in frame rate on the RP.

The only other option is electronic first curtain. There is no full mechanical shutter. Good news with EFCS is that there isn’t any rolling shutter. It’s fairly quiet. I haven’t noticed banding under artificial light like I do with e-shutter. And it haven’t noticed any shutter shock.

You can ‘trick’ the RP into shooting a true e-shutter by doing two shot focus brackets for everything. Focus bracketing is always e-shutter but lets you use all PASM modes.

So the RP have a similar shutter mechanism as the R8?

Yes, it could very well be the exact same shutter assembly in both the RP and R8.

Will EFCS output a 14-bit RAW file?

Yes, on both the RP and R8 you will get full bit-depth RAW images when using EFCS.

When I owned an RP I didn't like the e-shutter mode. As pointed out above, you have no control over the exposure and the read out time is so long that it's practically unusable. Having traded the RP for an R5, I'm using ES for most of my pictures, reserving EFCS for when I need flash or have LED lights create banding.

EFCS is basically your only choice on the RP, and thankfully it's the choice that gives you the best quality available on the RP.

Sgt_Strider wrote:

drsnoopy wrote:

Sgt_Strider wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

E shutter is 12 bit raw. On the RP, e-shutter is only available in a creative auto setting called “Silent Shutter”. The camera is in full control of all exposure settings there. You can’t even use exposure compensation. It also provides no advantage in frame rate on the RP.

The only other option is electronic first curtain. There is no full mechanical shutter. Good news with EFCS is that there isn’t any rolling shutter. It’s fairly quiet. I haven’t noticed banding under artificial light like I do with e-shutter. And it haven’t noticed any shutter shock.

You can ‘trick’ the RP into shooting a true e-shutter by doing two shot focus brackets for everything. Focus bracketing is always e-shutter but lets you use all PASM modes.

So the RP have a similar shutter mechanism as the R8?

Will EFCS output a 14-bit RAW file?

The R8 has a much higher frame rate available and doesn’t have the RP’s restriction on e-shutter use. You could say it’s a more highly developed version. EFCS is 14 bit on all the camera bodies, ES is 12 bit.

I’ve never seen shutter shock on my RP. Note that the RP has a slow read out so if you do use the ES for fast moving objects or panning, you will get very substantial rolling shutter. This is due to it being a dSLR sensor, and it wasn’t designed for use of ES in this situation, hence the restricted ES mode.

Do you already have an RP, or just enquiring? For me, the main issue with the RP is not its shutter or its dynamic range (your other thread), but it has slower frame rate and the AF less advanced, compared to the later bodies. If you want the latest standards, the RP is not the right choice. Also no IBIS (not on R8 either). If you are happy with a camera that does most things well, and has full frame image quality, but isn’t really up to sports or wildlife, then it’s a superb choice for such a low cost.

Using EFCS, what is the R8’s fps compared to the RP?

I don't have the RP yet. I was sort of set on getting the R8, but then I see that there is a high price difference between the RP and the R8 so that's why I'm considering the RP. I don't know how often I’ll shoot video. I recognise the R8’s sensor is likely to be superior, but if I can somehow live with the RP’s limitations, then I wouldn't mind saving some money.

How is the RP’s autofocus much worse than the R8? I mainly shoot travel and landscape. Occasionally, I'll shoot what DPR would define as social photos.

The RP with tracking priority, I’ve been lucky to eke out 3 fps.  Supposedly can do 5 fps with focus locked.

The R8 does 6 fps in all EFCS continuous modes and 40, 20, and 5 fps in electronic shutter.

It’s not even close.  If sports is an interest, the R8 is worth the price different.  You don’t need full 14 bit raw for kids athletics.

Sgt_Strider wrote:

drsnoopy wrote:

Sgt_Strider wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

E shutter is 12 bit raw. On the RP, e-shutter is only available in a creative auto setting called “Silent Shutter”. The camera is in full control of all exposure settings there. You can’t even use exposure compensation. It also provides no advantage in frame rate on the RP.

The only other option is electronic first curtain. There is no full mechanical shutter. Good news with EFCS is that there isn’t any rolling shutter. It’s fairly quiet. I haven’t noticed banding under artificial light like I do with e-shutter. And it haven’t noticed any shutter shock.

You can ‘trick’ the RP into shooting a true e-shutter by doing two shot focus brackets for everything. Focus bracketing is always e-shutter but lets you use all PASM modes.

So the RP have a similar shutter mechanism as the R8?

Will EFCS output a 14-bit RAW file?

The R8 has a much higher frame rate available and doesn’t have the RP’s restriction on e-shutter use. You could say it’s a more highly developed version. EFCS is 14 bit on all the camera bodies, ES is 12 bit.

I’ve never seen shutter shock on my RP. Note that the RP has a slow read out so if you do use the ES for fast moving objects or panning, you will get very substantial rolling shutter. This is due to it being a dSLR sensor, and it wasn’t designed for use of ES in this situation, hence the restricted ES mode.

Do you already have an RP, or just enquiring? For me, the main issue with the RP is not its shutter or its dynamic range (your other thread), but it has slower frame rate and the AF less advanced, compared to the later bodies. If you want the latest standards, the RP is not the right choice. Also no IBIS (not on R8 either). If you are happy with a camera that does most things well, and has full frame image quality, but isn’t really up to sports or wildlife, then it’s a superb choice for such a low cost.

Using EFCS, what is the R8’s fps compared to the RP?

I don't have the RP yet. I was sort of set on getting the R8, but then I see that there is a high price difference between the RP and the R8 so that's why I'm considering the RP. I don't know how often I’ll shoot video. I recognise the R8’s sensor is likely to be superior, but if I can somehow live with the RP’s limitations, then I wouldn't mind saving some money.

How is the RP’s autofocus much worse than the R8? I mainly shoot travel and landscape. Occasionally, I'll shoot what DPR would define as social photos.

The R8 has the sensor from the R6mk2.  It also has the full tracking AF from the R6mk2 (and even very similar to the R3), so it is far more responsive than the RP for anything moving fast.  It has a much faster frame rate in EFCS and blazingly fast in ES mode, better than almost any dSLR at any price.  But as you have seen it is also more expensive.  I would say the R8 is better than the RP in every respect, but of course more expensive, and for most purposes the RP is perfectly capable and great value.  For many images you would find it hard if not impossible to tell the difference.

Here’s my suggestion, as I see you haven’t bought one yet.  Get yourself an RP, if you can get a refurbished one on sale, or a good condition used one, this will be a low cost option for you as people will be trading them in for R8 bodies.  If in a while you feel the need for something better, you won’t have lost much money, and you will have gained a lot of experience.  Have you thought about lenses?