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Canon gear for starting Macro photography

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Rudolph_i New Member • Posts: 8
Canon gear for starting Macro photography

Hey, I am looking for some affordable gear (lenses, extension tubes and whatnot) to getting started in macro photography.

I'm looking for at least 1:1 magnification ratio, higher would be better.

I have my eyes on the Canon RF 100mm f2.8 Macro 1.4:1 (maybe a little expensive to getting started into macro) and the Laowa 100 mm f/2,8 2:1 Ultra Macro lens, way more affordable.

I have no previous experience in macro photography and was wondering if my current RF 35mm f1.8 0.5:1 could be turned into a more close up macro lens, before buying new expensive lenses?

Thanks in advance

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grsnovi Veteran Member • Posts: 3,030
Re: Canon gear for starting Macro photography

You can get started for next to nothing by getting a set of extension tubes.

After that I'd look for a used lens rather than buying new.

I'd hold off on the cost attraction of Loawa until you have a better feel for shooting since (I believe) their lenses are entirely manual.

Depending on what you're planning to shoot you may also need a flash and a flash diffuser/reflector.

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Joseph S Wisniewski Forum Pro • Posts: 35,461
I'd start with a used 100mm or 105mm manual focus macro

Rudolph_i wrote:

Hey, I am looking for some affordable gear (lenses, extension tubes and whatnot) to getting started in macro photography.

I'm looking for at least 1:1 magnification ratio, higher would be better.

I have my eyes on the Canon RF 100mm f2.8 Macro 1.4:1 (maybe a little expensive to getting started into macro)

Yes, but apparently it doubles as a formidable portrait lens, if you do any portraiture. It's also what I call a good XE (extreme environment, don't ask why I don't say "EE") lens.

The lens has a spherical aberration compensation ring. This is a technology Nikon introduced back in 1990, and Canon has finally caught up with. The SA comp ring (or "defocus control" in Nikon parlance lets you dial in a more pleasing bokeh at the expense of a slight bit of detail at the plane of focus.

It may (big "may") allow you to use your camera for automatic focus stacking. Macro depth-of-field is very shallow. I mean fractions of a mm shallow. Focus stacking is a technique were you focus on the closest part of your subject, take a shot, focus a little farther back, take another shot, etc. until you have 10s or 100s of shots. It's most often done with an automated "focusing rail" that moves the camera, lens and all, towards the subject with a motor and "screw drive". You can get a tolerable WeMacro rail for about $300.

Some cameras can control certain lenses to do the stack without a rail. I know Nikon and Oly are pretty good, not sure about Canon, though. They have a really strange love/hate relationship with macro. So you might want to see if your particular Canon can stack with the 100mm before committing to that $1,300 purchase.

Oh, and read all the recent threads in this group. Even if they've got you going "oh, not another bleeping insect!" because a lot of macro shooters discuss their technique, and sometimes the same technique someone used for an icky old bug can transfer over to beautiful minerals...

and the Laowa 100 mm f/2,8 2:1 Ultra Macro lens, way more affordable.

True. And also supposedly high quality. But fully manual. I don't know if that scares you (it doesn't scare me: I shoot most of my macro with a bellows and microscope objectives, enlarger lenses, or highly specialized lenses like Leitz Photars or Zeiss Luminars).

I have no previous experience in macro photography and was wondering if my current RF 35mm f1.8 0.5:1 could be turned into a more close up macro lens, before buying new expensive lenses?

It can with inexpensive "extension tubes". but doing so might put you off macro photograph entirely.

You can find a usable set of two RF tubes, a 12mm and a 20mm for around $50 (inexpensive tubes usually travel in sets. Don't ask me why, but it's basically always been that way). The 20mm tube is sufficient to let your lens cover the range from 0.5x to around 1.1x. But if you do that, you will find your working distance (the distance from the front of the lens to your subject)is annoyingly small. It can get hard to get light to your subject without having the front of the lens get in the way. It can also be hard to get your subject to stay put with a giant eye just a few 10s of mm from them.

I believe working distance is about the most important thing for beginning macro photographers. Longer working distances mean you don't block as much available light, and they make it easier to get small flashes or LED lights close to the subject. Long working distances also make it easier to work without accidentally damaging the subject, or scaring the subject away if it's an insect or other small animal.

Speaking of light, the current darling of the macro scene is the Godox/Flashpoint MF-12. It's a tiny, lightweight light that can work in manual or full TTL. You want to buy a two light kit (I use two two-light kits) because it comes with a handy attachment ring to let you mount up to 6 flashes to the front of your lens. That two-light kit usually goes for around $250 and the controller for your hot shoe is another $50.

Macro tends to always be demanding new bits of gear that can really eat into your budget, so keep that in mind and don't spend every penny you've got on your lens. You may find a fairly outdated lens together with a focus rail and set of macro flashes gives you much better results than using the entire budget for the latest $1,300 lens.

That's why my general advice for beginners is to get a used 100mm Canon or 105mm Nikon, appropriate adapters, and a manual rail like a NiSi NM-180 (lists for $129 but frequently goes on sale. I got mine for $80) or a Haoge FM-160 ($70 on Amazon. Seriously).

The Canon 100mm f/2.8 L is about $550 used in "excellent" condition at KEH. Add the WeMacro for $300, the two-flash MF-12 set and controller for $300, and you've spent $1,150 on a truly formidable setup that can do almost anything from chasing live bugs to creating insanely detailed flower macros.

A Canon FD or Nikon AI manual focus macro can be had for around $100 used, the adapters will set you back another $40, the hand-cranked NiSi or Haoge rails another $70-100, and lighting with available light or your existing flashes (you have at least two, right?) and you're up and running with stunning results for under $250.

Thanks in advance

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Person9 New Member • Posts: 8
Re: Canon gear for starting Macro photography

Taking into account you're "just getting started" comment:

Your 35mm Canon lens goes to 1:2, half life size, so on a full frame camera, that's a field-of-view of 72mm (not quite 3 inches).  There's a lot of interesting things in the world at that magnification.  And you could crop some.

Adding an 18mm extension tube will get you to around1X, but as others have said, 1X with a 35mm lens will have a  pretty short working distance.  But for the cost of an extension tube (makes sure it's an automatic version), you might want to see what 1X is like.  A 36mm tube will get you to 1.5X.

The 100mm Laowa is fine (I have one), and it goes to 2X.  Though it's a strictly manual lens, most of us do NOT use autofocus, especially above 0.5X (1:2), rather we focus by slowly moving in and out, forward and back, toward the subject.  However, your 35mm lens indicates that you are using a DSLR.  If you use the Laowa at, say, f/16, the viewfinder will get very dark.  If you're on a tripod, you can open the lens to focus, then close it don for the shot.  But handheld, that becomes impossible to stay in focus.

Also, you will find that at 2X it's MUCH trickier to focus and  compose.  Depth-of-field at 2X is about 1/4 that at 0.5X!  Best to start at less magnification until you get the hang of things.

I would start simply, maybe with your current lens.  Available light;  tripod if you're not chasing insects.  Assembling a flash rig for macro is a project unto itself.  So is focus stacking.  I wouldn't dive into the deep water quite yet.

FYI:  Another way of getting your 35m lens to focus closer would be the addition of close-up filters ("diopter lenses") on the front of the lens.   While they do increase magnification, they also shorten the lens focal length, so the working distance becomes even smaller.  You can get a set of four (+1, +2, +4, +10) for about $15.  They have lots of spherical aberration in the corners, and chromatic aberration, but they're fun to play with.  The achromatic versions are far superior, and much more expensive, but i think you're better off with the extension tubes.

OP Rudolph_i New Member • Posts: 8
Re: Canon gear for starting Macro photography

Thank you for all the great information.

I think I will get started with a 50mm 1.8 and a few extension tubes to keep the costs as low as possible and also fiddle with my current 35mm macro, to see if I even enjoy what I'll be able to do.

I did not knew anything about diopter filters, thanks for the suggestion.

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dwkdnvr Regular Member • Posts: 263
Re: I'd start with a used 100mm or 105mm manual focus macro

Joseph S Wisniewski wrote:

Speaking of light, the current darling of the macro scene is the Godox/Flashpoint MF-12.

Holy cow - how am I so out of the loop that I hadn't seen this before? This is brilliant, and relatively inexpensive all things considered.

thanks for mentioning these.

Joseph S Wisniewski Forum Pro • Posts: 35,461
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dwkdnvr wrote:

Joseph S Wisniewski wrote:

Speaking of light, the current darling of the macro scene is the Godox/Flashpoint MF-12.

Holy cow - how am I so out of the loop that I hadn't seen this before?

Perhaps you've been spending time doing something silly like getting out and shooting pictures, lol.

This is brilliant, and relatively inexpensive all things considered.

I find them quite useful.

thanks for mentioning these.

You're welcome.

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jrkliny Veteran Member • Posts: 4,886
Re: I'd start with a used 100mm or 105mm manual focus macro

I have a contrary opinion.

Shooting macro is difficult enough including lighting, limited DOF, camera shake, focusing issues.  As many others have done, I tried diopter lens additions and extension tubes.  The image quality and difficulty of use were not worth it.  If you are serious about macro photography, you need to buy an appropriate macro lens.  When you put down big money for your R6 ii, you should have also realized that lenses were also going to be costly.  You also have another handicap with a FF camera.  Plenty of photographers use one for macro but a smaller sensor such as APS-C greatly helps with DOF.

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