R7 from my car ?! What the heck ?!?!

So I know I've discussed the subject of shooting from a car before, and I'm well aware of things like 1) heat from a warm car, mixing with cold air outside, 2) vibration of a running motor, 3) hand holding as I can't really use a tripod (I have a window attachment, but it's kind of a pain)

Anyway, here's my point > I've shot quite a bit from my car, as we have a couple of places where we go that have auto routes that you are not allowed to get out (one time, my GF and I got out to switch drivers, and immediately, every bird in a 1 mile radius took off ! Oops 😀)

Long story short, I've gotten quite a few pretty nice shots from my car "With my R5" and a few different lenses......

But my new and beloved R7 SUCKS shooting from the car ?

Why ??? The only difference I can think of, is that I shoot 100% mechanical with my R5, and 100% electronic shutter with the R7, but I don't see how this in itself should make such a huge difference ? Am I overlooking something here ?

Oh and btw, I've even been in good light and had my shutter speed as high as 1/2000th, for perched birds ! And they were still blurry !? I don't get it.

Your thoughts ?

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better.  Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

I think the Electronic Shutter artifacts may be difficult to see on the rear screen, especially the ones that happen under artificial light.

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

So I know I've discussed the subject of shooting from a car before, and I'm well aware of things like 1) heat from a warm car, mixing with cold air outside, 2) vibration of a running motor, 3) hand holding as I can't really use a tripod (I have a window attachment, but it's kind of a pain)

Anyway, here's my point > I've shot quite a bit from my car, as we have a couple of places where we go that have auto routes that you are not allowed to get out (one time, my GF and I got out to switch drivers, and immediately, every bird in a 1 mile radius took off ! Oops 😀)

Long story short, I've gotten quite a few pretty nice shots from my car "With my R5" and a few different lenses......

But my new and beloved R7 SUCKS shooting from the car ?

You ask us if your R7 sucks shooting from the car? Or it is rather an information than a question? In that case why it sucks?

Why ??? The only difference I can think of, is that I shoot 100% mechanical with my R5, and 100% electronic shutter with the R7, but I don't see how this in itself should make such a huge difference ?

What difference? Why don't you demonstraze what you mean on couple of samples.

Am I overlooking something here ?

Yeah - explaining what is your point.

Oh and btw, I've even been in good light and had my shutter speed as high as 1/2000th, for perched birds ! And they were still blurry !? I don't get it.

It can be point No. 1) from your list above, or just atmospheric density, or shooting through the car windows, or....

With such a lack of factual information nothing can be determined clearly.

Your thoughts ?

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JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

Impo, the R7 is practically useless in Mechanical Shutter mode. I’ve heard a few people say it imparts some amount of shutter shake at practically ALL shutter speeds, and in my brief trial of MS, that seems to be true. If I need to shoot something with MS, I’ll use my R5.

Max5150 wrote:

How about a couple pictures, same lens, same settings, mechanical sutter then electric shutter?

How about, forget I asked 🙂 Freaking DPR 😀 lol

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JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

Impo, the R7 is practically useless in Mechanical Shutter mode. I’ve heard a few people say it imparts some amount of shutter shake at practically ALL shutter speeds, and in my brief trial of MS, that seems to be true. If I need to shoot something with MS, I’ll use my R5.

I’ve shot thousands of shots in EFCS (why would you use full mechanical?) with my R7, and not a single one had any trace of shutter shock.

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Chris Wolfgram wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

Impo, the R7 is practically useless in Mechanical Shutter mode. I’ve heard a few people say it imparts some amount of shutter shake at practically ALL shutter speeds, and in my brief trial of MS, that seems to be true. If I need to shoot something with MS, I’ll use my R5.

I feel like I’ve done quite well with EFCS on the R7. I know some people have had issues with EFCS at slower shutter speeds and 15fps with certain lenses but I really haven’t observed problems wen using my trusty old EF 500mm f/4L IS USM.

TBH, that's the one shutter mode I hadn't even tried. I've just had such great results with the ES "outside of my car" on a tripod...

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I’m not sure what is causing the issue you’re experiencing but I definitely get great results shooting from my car with the R7 and various long telephoto lenses and I also mostly use ES. I wish I could offer some helpful advice but I can’t think of any at the moment other than keep trying and hopefully you can figure out what is causing the problem.

TY Birdshooter. Ya know, the more I think about, maybe even with my R5, my results from inside of the car, were not as good as they have been shooting outside of the car, certainly when using a tripod. Last year, I used to blame that all on focus pulsing with my Sigma 150-600. Now that I'm using my 800 F11 almost exclusively, my sharp perfectly focused shots are way up.... But I haven't done auto routes with it, like I did last Winter. Instead, the little bit of shooting I've done from the car, has not produced many sharp shots with the 800 F11 either. Hmmm.

I'll keep trying with birds that are not super important to me if I miss them. But for important birds, I'm getting out and using the tripod.

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JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

Impo, the R7 is practically useless in Mechanical Shutter mode. I’ve heard a few people say it imparts some amount of shutter shake at practically ALL shutter speeds, and in my brief trial of MS, that seems to be true.

That is as nonsenscical as it can be.Physically impossible.

Many people have no clue how camera works which creates opportunities for such revealing statements.

If I need to shoot something with MS, I’ll use my R5.

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Well there is only one common denominator…..

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Chris Wolfgram wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

Impo, the R7 is practically useless in Mechanical Shutter mode. I’ve heard a few people say it imparts some amount of shutter shake at practically ALL shutter speeds, and in my brief trial of MS, that seems to be true. If I need to shoot something with MS, I’ll use my R5.

I’ve shot thousands of shots in EFCS (why would you use full mechanical?) with my R7, and not a single one had any trace of shutter shock.-

For this scenario (I'm not clear exactly what it is but can guess) what advantages exist for Mechanical and what negatives are there for ECFS.

The only negative I’ve ever heard about for EFCS is the possibility of cut-off bokeh with very wide apertures (F1.8 or faster) at very fast shutter speeds. I presume that the OP was shooting birds from a car with a lens slower than F1.8, so this wouldn’t apply here.

As it happens I often shoot Mechanical on the R5 but that may purely be to have feedback the shot was taken at the moment of button press (noise).

EFCS gives the same feedback. It’s e-shutter that doesn’t make a noise (unless you set the camera to give you a noise, which you can do with the latest Canons).

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Chris Wolfgram wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

100% electronic shutter with a slow read speed for the R7 seems explanatory enough without any pictures attached showing what constitutes terrible.

What I don’t get is why people post questions like this without at least testing like shooting conditions first to determine if that might be the issue. Switch to mechanical shutter on the R7 and see if it’s better. Or at least EFCS if trying to avoid shutter shock

Impo, the R7 is practically useless in Mechanical Shutter mode. I’ve heard a few people say it imparts some amount of shutter shake at practically ALL shutter speeds, and in my brief trial of MS, that seems to be true. If I need to shoot something with MS, I’ll use my R5.

I feel like I’ve done quite well with EFCS on the R7. I know some people have had issues with EFCS at slower shutter speeds and 15fps with certain lenses but I really haven’t observed problems wen using my trusty old EF 500mm f/4L IS USM.

TBH, that's the one shutter mode I hadn't even tried. I've just had such great results with the ES "outside of my car" on a tripod...

Give it a try.

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Chris Wolfgram wrote:

BirdShooter7 wrote:

I’m not sure what is causing the issue you’re experiencing but I definitely get great results shooting from my car with the R7 and various long telephoto lenses and I also mostly use ES. I wish I could offer some helpful advice but I can’t think of any at the moment other than keep trying and hopefully you can figure out what is causing the problem.

TY Birdshooter. Ya know, the more I think about, maybe even with my R5, my results from inside of the car, were not as good as they have been shooting outside of the car, certainly when using a tripod. Last year, I used to blame that all on focus pulsing with my Sigma 150-600. Now that I'm using my 800 F11 almost exclusively, my sharp perfectly focused shots are way up.... But I haven't done auto routes with it, like I did last Winter. Instead, the little bit of shooting I've done from the car, has not produced many sharp shots with the 800 F11 either. Hmmm.

I'll keep trying with birds that are not super important to me if I miss them. But for important birds, I'm getting out and using the tripod.

Chris, are you shooting with image stabilization on while bracing the lens or camera against the car with the engine running?  With an 800mm lens, any high frequency vibration will show up in the photo. Sometimes it’s better to turn IS off, believe it or not.

I think you have a solvable problem.