Moving from Canon M system

MAC wrote:

yes, but RF 100-400 does BIF -- your M doesn't do well

What is BIF?

Of course, you cannot compare a FF equipped with fast, expensive, heavy glass with a much poorer APSC camera. The question is do I need this level of performance?

Based on what you have written until now, I very much doubt that you do.

The only time I have felt my system's limitations are in very low light; when I have to push the ISO over 3200. I assume the new Digic X sensor even in APS-C bodies would outperform older Digic 8 sensors of the older FF cameras.

I am just wondering. In what situations was your current system not good enough to take the photos you wanted?

My 11-22 isn't fast enough in low light. I only have the 22/2 and heavy EF 50/1.4 (which is heavy) to cover low light.

the issue is that the op has to chase new money into older technology that is being sunset

Agreed which is why I started this thread in the EOR R section.

The R8 will crush the ops technology, just as your R6II - otherwise, why did you get R6II

Agreed. The R8 will crush my system with the only challenge being above 100mm (FF equivalent). With an EF-M 55-200, I'd be able to go to 300mm (FF equivalent). I think 300mm should be all range I should need.

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

And I would miss the EF-M 11-22mm UWA zoom. That is my most used lens when traveling.

one needs to separate traveling kit, from everything else, and yes, op could get both m and RF. Op could keep m50 and 11-22 and get m32 and sell everything else

I only use my camera when travelling or at family functions. For everything else I use an iPhone.

Yeah. I find it odd that people buy the tiny stuff for travel and keep the big stuff at home. The only time I really get to enjoy my hobby is when I’m traveling.

But I suppose if it’s your job, your perspective will be different.

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

yes, but RF 100-400 does BIF -- your M doesn't do well

What is BIF?

bird in flight

Of course, you cannot compare a FF equipped with fast, expensive, heavy glass with a much poorer APSC camera. The question is do I need this level of performance?

Based on what you have written until now, I very much doubt that you do.

The only time I have felt my system's limitations are in very low light; when I have to push the ISO over 3200. I assume the new Digic X sensor even in APS-C bodies would outperform older Digic 8 sensors of the older FF cameras.

the R8 would resolve that as well as give you a better look with shallow dof to remove the clutter in the backdrop

I am just wondering. In what situations was your current system not good enough to take the photos you wanted?

My 11-22 isn't fast enough in low light. I only have the 22/2 and heavy EF 50/1.4 (which is heavy) to cover low light.

the RF 35 and RF 85 on R8 would be the answer

the issue is that the op has to chase new money into older technology that is being sunset

Agreed which is why I started this thread in the EOR R section.

you started the thread in the m section and the moderator moved it to the R section

The R8 will crush the ops technology, just as your R6II - otherwise, why did you get R6II

Agreed. The R8 will crush my system with the only challenge being above 100mm (FF equivalent). With an EF-M 55-200, I'd be able to go to 300mm (FF equivalent). I think 300mm should be all range I should need.

there are FF answers here including adapting EF/EF-s lenses like the 70-300 II

though it reduces the mpxl down to 10, I sometimes adapt my 55-250 stm on my RP

the RF 70-200 f4L is a dream lens, pop can size

the RF 100-400 gets you to 400

the RF 24-240 is a nice lens

and you can consider adapted third party long lenses

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

And I would miss the EF-M 11-22mm UWA zoom. That is my most used lens when traveling.

one needs to separate traveling kit, from everything else, and yes, op could get both m and RF. Op could keep m50 and 11-22 and get m32 and sell everything else

I only use my camera when travelling or at family functions. For everything else I use an iPhone.

it sounds like you have your mind made up to invest more into a dead system

JustUs7 wrote:

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

And I would miss the EF-M 11-22mm UWA zoom. That is my most used lens when traveling.

one needs to separate traveling kit, from everything else, and yes, op could get both m and RF. Op could keep m50 and 11-22 and get m32 and sell everything else

I only use my camera when travelling or at family functions. For everything else I use an iPhone.

Yeah. I find it odd that people buy the tiny stuff for travel and keep the big stuff at home. The only time I really get to enjoy my hobby is when I’m traveling.

I got my big stuff (40D, 60D, 77D, EF lenses etc) before mirrorless was the norm. I find if it's too heavy, I'd seldom carry it, so the object is to have something that I will tolerate carrying. Which in my case is 1.8kg.

I could not find a suitable bag, so I made a 4-pocket insert. I copied the 3 pocket inserts linked below but extended the length to a 4th pocket. Each pocket can accommodate either 2 compact lenses (2.5" x 2.5"), a single telephoto zoom (2.5" x 5"), a body with a small zoom attached + a pancake lens or a big prime with EF adapter.

https://apecase.com/product/cubeze-33/

http://www.koolertron.com/koolertron-new-shockproof-dslr-slr-camera-bag-partition-padded-insert-protection-case-for-sony-canon-nikon-dslr-shot-or-flash-light.html

The homemade insert fits nicely into the small sling linked below, which also has a small water bottle pocket, a pocket for a 9.7" iPad, and a pocket for a wallet and keys or two mobile phones.

https://www.flipkart.com/kooltopp-classy-cross-body-bag-13-l-backpack/p/itm7809b74cb0945?pid=BKPFHC3ZQ6FRVFEG&lid=LSTBKPFHC3ZQ6FRVFEGIY752X&marketplace=FLIPKART

Edit: found a link that has instructions to make your own custom camera inserts.
https://www.howjoyful.com/camera-carrier-insert-tutorial/

MAC wrote:

it sounds like you have your mind made up to invest more into a dead system

On the contrary, the reason I am vacillating is that the M system is dead (we won't see any more additions), and I was looking for a compact system that offers:

1. fast primes (22/2, 50/1.4 EF-S)
2. zoom from 18-300 (FF equivalent) 11-22, 15-45, 55-200

I do not need the extra resolution of a FF sensor but could use some low-light capability. The closest viable option is a kit based on an R10.

Canon EOS R10 + RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM kit
+
Canon RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM (replaces the 11-22)
Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM (replaces the EF-S 55-250)
Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 STM (replaces the EF 50/1.4)
Canon RF 24mm IS STM F1.8 (replaces the 22/2)

optionally
I could add a Canon RF 16mm f/2.8 STM (165 gms) to total up to 1.8kg. This kit (with the 16mm) would cost me around $3000 minus whatever I can get for my old Canon equipment.

The RF 35mm f/1.8 replaces the EF-M 32/1.4 rather nicely too.

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

it sounds like you have your mind made up to invest more into a dead system

On the contrary, the reason I am vacillating is that the M system is dead (we won't see any more additions), and I was looking for a compact system that offers:

1. fast primes (22/2, 50/1.4 EF-S)
2. zoom from 18-300 (FF equivalent) 11-22, 15-45, 55-200

I do not need the extra resolution of a FF sensor but could use some low-light capability. The closest viable option is a kit based on an R10.

Canon EOS R10 + RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM kit
+
Canon RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM (replaces the 11-22)
Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM (replaces the EF-S 55-250)
Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 STM (replaces the EF 50/1.4)
Canon RF 24mm IS STM F1.8 (replaces the 22/2)

optionally
I could add a Canon RF 16mm f/2.8 STM (165 gms) to total up to 1.8kg. This kit (with the 16mm) would cost me around $3000 minus whatever I can get for my old Canon equipment.

The RF 35mm f/1.8 replaces the EF-M 32/1.4 rather nicely too.

not on apsc the 32 is a great lens

I disagree with where you've been with gear and where you keep going here, including your bag

I had a sling bag on my back and couldn't access my gear quickly enough - a shoulder bag for quick access is what I use

It is nuts to buy a lot of gear for travel

keep your m50 + 11-22 + 22

the 15 -30 is not a lens I'd buy

nor is the 18-46

run with two cameras and three lenses in a shoulder bag and get this

Canon EOS R10 Mirrorless Camera with 18-150mm Lens 5331C016 B&H (bhphotovideo.com)

sell everything else

and add to your RF down the road

I give up on this. You seem to be going around in circles.

Good luck with your decision . And take care.

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

it sounds like you have your mind made up to invest more into a dead system

On the contrary, the reason I am vacillating is that the M system is dead (we won't see any more additions), and I was looking for a compact system that offers:

1. fast primes (22/2, 50/1.4 EF-S)
2. zoom from 18-300 (FF equivalent) 11-22, 15-45, 55-200

I do not need the extra resolution of a FF sensor but could use some low-light capability. The closest viable option is a kit based on an R10.

Canon EOS R10 + RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM kit
+
Canon RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM (replaces the 11-22)
Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM (replaces the EF-S 55-250)
Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 STM (replaces the EF 50/1.4)
Canon RF 24mm IS STM F1.8 (replaces the 22/2)

optionally
I could add a Canon RF 16mm f/2.8 STM (165 gms) to total up to 1.8kg. This kit (with the 16mm) would cost me around $3000 minus whatever I can get for my old Canon equipment.

The RF 35mm f/1.8 replaces the EF-M 32/1.4 rather nicely too.

I am in a similar situation as you, but personally don't think it is the time to replace the M6ii yet.  For me to upgrade, Canon ether need to release a smaller version of the R7 or Sony needs to come out with an APSC camera that uses the same sensor as the FX30.

So I suspect I will be keeping the M6ii until the next round of Canon APSC cameras get released in a few years time.

navinadvani wrote:

MAC wrote:

it sounds like you have your mind made up to invest more into a dead system

On the contrary, the reason I am vacillating is that the M system is dead (we won't see any more additions), and I was looking for a compact system that offers:

1. fast primes (22/2, 50/1.4 EF-S)
2. zoom from 18-300 (FF equivalent) 11-22, 15-45, 55-200

I do not need the extra resolution of a FF sensor but could use some low-light capability. The closest viable option is a kit based on an R10.

Canon EOS R10 + RF-S 18-45mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM kit
+
Canon RF 15-30mm F4.5-6.3 IS STM (replaces the 11-22)
Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM (replaces the EF-S 55-250)
Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 STM (replaces the EF 50/1.4)
Canon RF 24mm IS STM F1.8 (replaces the 22/2)

optionally
I could add a Canon RF 16mm f/2.8 STM (165 gms) to total up to 1.8kg. This kit (with the 16mm) would cost me around $3000 minus whatever I can get for my old Canon equipment.

The RF 35mm f/1.8 replaces the EF-M 32/1.4 rather nicely too.

This thread has been an interesting read, albeit a bit convoluted at times.

Unless I've misunderstood your goal(s), you are searching for the perfect travel kit.  If so, perhaps the question should be what's most important - the gear or the memories?  To capture memories all one needs is a decent point 'n' shoot to avoid fumbling with bags, zippers, lens changes, etc. ... plus a single camera greatly simplifies travel photography, enabling one to actually enjoy the journey.  Just a thought.