Fuji X-H2 resolution?

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

Yet it isn't the tests that are missing here!

iRanN wrote:

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

“…they look soft and lacking detail”

in my 16 years and using just about every system(yes, i tried every brand of cameras, both SLR/Mirrorless) I’m yet to see images from any system lacking detail or looking soft due to the sensor. It’s kind of hard to take anyone seriously with these statements.

I just upgraded from an XT4(26MP BSI) to the xH2 and immediately saw better IQ even on the tiny 3” screen.

I'm not sure I'm buying it. Care to post up a few images?

https://youtu.be/FMF1ksMREPs

iRanN wrote:

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

“…they look soft and lacking detail”

in my 16 years and using just about every system(yes, i tried every brand of cameras, both SLR/Mirrorless) I’m yet to see images from any system lacking detail or looking soft due to the sensor. It’s kind of hard to take anyone seriously with these statements.

I just upgraded from an XT4(26MP BSI) to the xH2 and immediately saw better IQ even on the tiny 3” screen.

OK, but I can't see it myself, not sure if its diffraction or what it is but to my eyes its very soft, almost blurred. I am a little puzzled that to get the recent performance lift and ai functions you need also to either buy the stacked option or the 40mp versions. Are there any plans to make a 26mp non-stacked version with the functionality of the X-H2/X-T5?

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

Dylan,

I have an X-T5 and it can do nice and sharp. Here's a picture taken when I was getting to know it. I think it's OK especially as it's just the 'kit' lens.

Feel free to do a 100% look and come back with your thoughts.

Alan

Dylan10 wrote:

iRanN wrote:

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

“…they look soft and lacking detail”

in my 16 years and using just about every system(yes, i tried every brand of cameras, both SLR/Mirrorless) I’m yet to see images from any system lacking detail or looking soft due to the sensor. It’s kind of hard to take anyone seriously with these statements.

I just upgraded from an XT4(26MP BSI) to the xH2 and immediately saw better IQ even on the tiny 3” screen.

OK, but I can't see it myself, not sure if its diffraction or what it is but to my eyes its very soft, almost blurred. I am a little puzzled that to get the recent performance lift and ai functions you need also to either buy the stacked option or the 40mp versions. Are there any plans to make a 26mp non-stacked version with the functionality of the X-H2/X-T5?

Even if there was no increase in perceptual resolution with the 40mpx sensor it is definitely no worse than the 26mpx sensor.

You aren’t paying any more money for the sensor. Fuji would charge the same amount for the cameras regardless if they used the old 26mpx sensor or newer 40mpx sensor.

I'd noticed that as well.  I'm not convinced DPR didn't bone the focus somehow in those shots.  I can't find any part of the photo that looks like they truly achieved critical focus for their tests.  My X-H2 seems plenty sharp.

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

There was concern when the H2 first came out. Below are full resolution images I took almost the day after I got the cam:

Focus box was on the fuselage:

Full 40mp resolution. From RAW

Focus box on the right of the "Y" on the fuselage:

Full 40mp Resolution.

I don't think there is any issue with resolution as long as you are aware your technique may require special attention to squeeze every pixel from the image.

At best, upgrading from a 26 megapixel sensor to a 40 megapixel sensor will provide about a 25% increase in linear resolution. In practice, it might provide anywhere from a 0% increase to a 25% increase depending on things like diffraction, lens quality, focus accuracy, depth of field, subject motion blur, and camera motion blur. So, one should expect generally improved resolution, but don't expect a WOW factor unless you are making large prints or zooming in.

Assuming you are going to the DPReview sample gallery and looking at images at 100%, I suspect the issue is simply your expectations. As megapixel counts climb higher and higher, the perceived sharpness at 100% gets lower and lower. Nothing weird about that--looking at 100% views isn't a fair comparison. When you look at a 40 megapixel image at 100% you are effectively zoomed in quite a bit more than when you look at a 26 megapixel image at 100%. If you want to know if there is increased resolution, you need to compare at the same apparent size, not the same zoom level. Higher megapixel count camera will always look worse at 100% than lower megapixel count cameras. It's not the sensor--it's just that you have more magnification, so you see the effects of diffraction, motion blur, missed focus, etc. that much better.

Hogwash…I have the XT5, nikon z7 and GFX 100s…the XT5 holds up well to both of those cameras. I posted some comparisons on another thread and can see for yourself.

The 40mp sensor is fantastic, excellent detail, dynamic range and tonal range.

Rod

Dylan10 wrote:

iRanN wrote:

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

“…they look soft and lacking detail”

in my 16 years and using just about every system(yes, i tried every brand of cameras, both SLR/Mirrorless) I’m yet to see images from any system lacking detail or looking soft due to the sensor. It’s kind of hard to take anyone seriously with these statements.

I just upgraded from an XT4(26MP BSI) to the xH2 and immediately saw better IQ even on the tiny 3” screen.

OK, but I can't see it myself, not sure if its diffraction or what it is but to my eyes its very soft, almost blurred. I am a little puzzled that to get the recent performance lift and ai functions you need also to either buy the stacked option or the 40mp versions. Are there any plans to make a 26mp non-stacked version with the functionality of the X-H2/X-T5?

You can't go by the far from optimal default Lightroom import settings used for the DPR examples. With processing optimized for the 40 MP sensor, they look look just fine - The DPR and Imaging Resource test scenes from the X-T5 and X-H2, no lack of sharpness here...

I own both XH2s and XH2. Yes XH2 gets abit more very fine details. It is not at all night and day vis à vis XH2s. IMO the advantage relies in the best cropping ability.

That was for res only. Images delivered by the XH2 are just superb especially if you print A3 a format that reveals the better res.

Some bad samples usually come from noisy files, and noisy files come from underexposed files. The 40megapix sensor needs quite a lot of light When might is dim, just expose to the right (ETTR) witha +2/3 to 1 EV compensation.

In landscape photography with trees and bushes, printed in A3, the XH2 is better than XH2s. There is also a learning curve for post processing, files can be damaged with too agressive PP (NR, sharpening).

Below a sample with the 18-300mm Tamron that I was evaluating with the XH2

The whole frame

details of lichens record the photo on computer to see it atb 100% (not the DPR viewer)

at 300mm 80m distance, slightly raiig while I was evaluating the combo

Here I get better results than with XH2s

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more? There are no X-T5 samples in the test scene so far, so wondering if dpr has a bad camera/lens?

Be interested in user feedback, as it might make a cool second body but if the results are typical, can't see much point over the 26mp options. There was a lot of interest in the x100 camera when I was in the shop!

and samples but apologies I'm not sold on the 40mp sensor and will wait to see if they introduce a new 26mp sensor. I get the feeling its showing some sort of diffraction in a lot of the images but can't be certain to know if its that or something else that causing the effect.

baobob wrote:

I own both XH2s and XH2. Yes XH2 gets abit more very fine details. It is not at all night and day vis à vis XH2s. IMO the advantage relies in the best cropping ability.

That was for res only. Images delivered by the XH2 are just superb especially if you print A3 a format that reveals the better res.

Some bad samples usually come from noisy files, and noisy files come from underexposed files. The 40megapix sensor needs quite a lot of light When might is dim, just expose to the right (ETTR) witha +2/3 to 1 EV compensation.

In landscape photography with trees and bushes, printed in A3, the XH2 is better than XH2s. There is also a learning curve for post processing, files can be damaged with too agressive PP (NR, sharpening).

Below a sample with the 18-300mm Tamron that I was evaluating with the XH2

The whole frame

details of lichens record the photo on computer to see it atb 100% (not the DPR viewer)

at 300mm 80m distance, slightly raiig while I was evaluating the combo

Here I get better results than with XH2s

Thanks for this, it really demonstrates the issues I see a lot in the second image, out of focus rendering behind the ridge tiles further back, is that natural to you?

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more?

Why would you expect more detail from higher MP?

John Gellings wrote:

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more?

Why would you expect more detail from higher MP?

Gosh, that's an interesting question, I suppose I just did, what's your thoughts, have I got this wrong, does resolution go down with too many pixels, like I say does diffraction hit a limit at some point, is there some weird physics going on. Curious to know more, but surely Fuji knows what they are doing?

Dylan10 wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Dylan10 wrote:

Not looked at Fuji for a long time but was in London at the weekend and dropped into the Fuji store for a look around. The X-H2 has 40mp, correct? But when I look at the dpr sample scene they look soft and lacking detail? For 40mp was expecting a lot more?

Why would you expect more detail from higher MP?

Gosh, that's an interesting question, I suppose I just did, what's your thoughts, have I got this wrong, does resolution go down with too many pixels, like I say does diffraction hit a limit at some point, is there some weird physics going on. Curious to know more, but surely Fuji knows what they are doing?

I would say detail stays the same but if you look at 100% in your program, you are getting closer to the image than at 100% at 26mp. That said, if you were to print the images at the same size, once you go over the 26mp image (300dpi) at max size, the 40mp should remain sharper in prints until you hit its max size at 300dpi.

obviously, not taking into account distraction which I personally don’t worry about.