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xpatUSA
xpatUSA Forum Pro • Posts: 23,017
Re: now what??

ole kekkonen wrote:

tohereknowswhen wrote:

Interesting! If its dust on the sensor it usually gets worse at smaller aperture. Could it be particles in the air that reflects the light from the flash?

Like the second shot btw! 👍

thanks

like pollen?? it can't be dust on the sensor I got that also but it looks different

another one:

it appears to be on the same spot on every images, never seen it before only new is the lens

edit…

looks like it comes from the inside of the lens ;(

In the sea view, some spots have dark centers so not a simple Airy function:

If the examples were posted as PNG that would eliminate all that JPEG aberration ...

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tammons Veteran Member • Posts: 8,136
Re: now what??

xpatUSA wrote:

ole kekkonen wrote:

tohereknowswhen wrote:

Interesting! If its dust on the sensor it usually gets worse at smaller aperture. Could it be particles in the air that reflects the light from the flash?

Like the second shot btw! 👍

thanks

like pollen?? it can't be dust on the sensor I got that also but it looks different

another one:

it appears to be on the same spot on every images, never seen it before only new is the lens

edit…

looks like it comes from the inside of the lens ;(

In the sea view, some spots have dark centers so not a simple Airy function:

If the examples were posted as PNG that would eliminate all that JPEG aberration ...

Maybe oil from the shutter. To the OP - was the camera left in the heat lately?

ole kekkonen
OP ole kekkonen Contributing Member • Posts: 607
Re: now what??

tammons wrote:

xpatUSA wrote:

ole kekkonen wrote:

tohereknowswhen wrote:

Interesting! If its dust on the sensor it usually gets worse at smaller aperture. Could it be particles in the air that reflects the light from the flash?

Like the second shot btw! 👍

thanks

like pollen?? it can't be dust on the sensor I got that also but it looks different

another one:

it appears to be on the same spot on every images, never seen it before only new is the lens

edit…

looks like it comes from the inside of the lens ;(

In the sea view, some spots have dark centers so not a simple Airy function:

If the examples were posted as PNG that would eliminate all that JPEG aberration ...

Maybe oil from the shutter. To the OP - was the camera left in the heat lately?

it may be

xpatUSA
xpatUSA Forum Pro • Posts: 23,017
Re: Call that peeping ?!

ole kekkonen wrote:

xpatUSA wrote:

ole kekkonen wrote:

sometimes get this all over the image when pixel peeping

THIS is peeping:

histogram widened with Levels - smoothed 1px Gaussian

Effect seems optical to me and looks a bit like an Airy diffusion pattern pixelated by the sensor:

More here:

https://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/basics/psf.html

As to the location of the bright point sources, your guess is as good as mine ...

Gorgeous,simply gorgeous..

Commenting on the prettiness of the Airy disk means that the above technical comment is sadly wasted.

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xpatUSA
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Re: now what??

ole kekkonen wrote:

tammons wrote:

xpatUSA wrote:

ole kekkonen wrote:

tohereknowswhen wrote:

Interesting! If its dust on the sensor it usually gets worse at smaller aperture. Could it be particles in the air that reflects the light from the flash?

Like the second shot btw! 👍

thanks

like pollen?? it can't be dust on the sensor I got that also but it looks different

another one:

it appears to be on the same spot on every images, never seen it before only new is the lens

edit…

looks like it comes from the inside of the lens ;(

In the sea view, some spots have dark centers so not a simple Airy function:

If the examples were posted as PNG that would eliminate all that JPEG aberration ...

Maybe oil from the shutter. To the OP - was the camera left in the heat lately?

it may be

How about shooting something white out-of-focus at f/22 and +1.5 EC with the dust-cover removed then posting the result at 100% here in PNG format?

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victorgv
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Re: now what??
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ole kekkonen wrote:

When you attach lens to camera do not twist lens to fully engage lock in the mount

yes,I follow and then?

make photo in locked and unlocked position if spots move = lens if not sensor or ir cutoff filter

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Re: now what??

victorgv wrote:

ole kekkonen wrote:

When you attach lens to camera do not twist lens to fully engage lock in the mount

yes,I follow and then?

make photo in locked and unlocked position if spots move = lens if not sensor or ir cutoff filter

got it! thanks

ole kekkonen
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xpatUSA wrote:

How about shooting something white out-of-focus at f/22 and +1.5 EC with the dust-cover removed then posting the result at 100% here in PNG format?

xpatUSA
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Re: png

ole kekkonen wrote:

xpatUSA wrote:

How about shooting something white out-of-focus at f/22 and +1.5 EC with the dust-cover removed then posting the result at 100% here in PNG format?

Good capture.

Yep, they're all over the sensor - apply unsharp mask sharpening to see them.

Top left of image is bottom right of sensor I believe ...

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Oldwino Regular Member • Posts: 415
Re: png

This looks suspiciously like the sensor corrosion that Leica had with the M9.

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left eye Veteran Member • Posts: 3,032
Droplets
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Droplets would do this, focus the light like a lens, to a centre with a dark rim.

Will be v.fine droplets though, so from a mist spray of some sort, maybe sticky if not evaporating.

Done a wet clean of the sensor?

xpatUSA
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Re: png

Oldwino wrote:

This looks suspiciously like the sensor corrosion that Leica had with the M9.

Interesting - is there a link showing the effect?

The SD9 sensor is covered by an IR blocking glass filter which one of our members found impossible tro remove ...

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xpatUSA
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Re: png

xpatUSA wrote:

Oldwino wrote:

This looks suspiciously like the sensor corrosion that Leica had with the M9.

Interesting - [here is] a link [discussing] the effect:

Some good images here:

https://maxmax.com/faq/camera-tech/leica-m9-corrosion

Sharpened up in FastStone Viewer

... although the SD9 also uses an "ICF" over the sensor front face, I am inclined toward @left eye's "droplets" opinion.

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allineedislight Senior Member • Posts: 1,309
Re: Droplets

Perhaps oil droplets from the shutter?
Would suggest to have the sensor cleaned professionally in a camera store.

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Re: Droplets

Not familar with your camera.  I have owned Nikon, Canon, and Sony.

Your droplets are definitely smaller than typical dust.  Because most dust spot on images can be seen without pixel peeping at smaller aperture.

You can see something on the sensor surface.  So something is there.  I would just do sensor wet clean.  Do it yourself or at a shop.  If is dust or oil, then wet clean can remove it.  If it is corrosion, then SOL.

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Re: now what??

ole kekkonen wrote:

sometimes get this all over the image when pixel peeping

ole,

Do the spots show up on all images or only in certain situations

Are they visible at  say f4  or at f16 or f22

Maybe condensation on the sensor surface from bringing the camera into a heated house out of low outdoor temperatures has left some residue on the sensor.

Have you wet cleaned the sensor recently, if not wet clean it and check for spots then.

Some are suggesting sensor corrosion but there is no evidence of such corrosion in any Foveon sensors to my knowlege.

I checked my old SD9 from 2002 and my old SD10 & neither of show anything similar to your spots.

S

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Re: now what??

Ceistinne wrote:

ole kekkonen wrote:

sometimes get this all over the image when pixel peeping

ole,

Do the spots show up on all images or only in certain situations

Are they visible at say f4 or at f16 or f22

Maybe condensation on the sensor surface from bringing the camera into a heated house out of low outdoor temperatures has left some residue on the sensor.

Have you wet cleaned the sensor recently, if not wet clean it and check for spots then.

Some are suggesting sensor corrosion but there is no evidence of such corrosion in any Foveon sensors to my knowlege.

I checked my old SD9 from 2002 and my old SD10 & neither of show anything similar to your spots.

S

thanks but Wet clean dont help either

jbr Regular Member • Posts: 404
Re: now what??

Looks like stuck pixels to me. Have you looked at the raw data? Joe

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Re: now what??

jbr wrote:

Looks like stuck pixels to me. Have you looked at the raw data? Joe

specific please?

xpatUSA
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Re: now what??

ole kekkonen wrote:

Ceistinne wrote:

Have you wet cleaned the sensor recently, if not wet clean it and check for spots then.

thanks but Wet clean doesn't help either

Ouch, not good.

When you took the f/22 PNG that you posted, was the dust-cover removed (just checking)? Not that those spots that are only a few pixels diameter should show if they are on the removable dust-cover.

Can the SD9 take shots with both the dust-cover and the lens removed? I would check if it can but my cameras are in a box somewhere. That would tell us if that the stuff is positively on the sensor's cover glass/filter - or (horror) under that on the surface of the sensor itself **.

Don't give up - it ain't over until the fat lady sings ...

** not sure how to tell, but if it is under the sensor's filter, you're dead in the water. One of our members found it impossible to remove ...

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