Fujifilm xpro 4 expectations

Nobody really talks about 'innovators' anymore. Especially in rangefinder type cameras. But the X-Pro series has always debuted as a classic innovative camera. A digital camera that also has real appeal for traditional photographers.

The Fujifilm X-Pro3 has evolved from 2019 into a rangefinder-style camera with a screen that hides its rear screen. His attempt to bring the standard development together with a little more tradition was not liked by some. It can be the unique combination of the traditional camera seeking an answer to today's needs of expectation. The camera body must have IBIS. The fact that it is a little thicker does not seem to be a valid reason for not having this feature anymore. Personally, I think a makeover in design can be good. It can be more iconic like the X100 V', which is the main DNA of the series in Xpro design. In my opinion, the X100 is leading in the Xpro series in terms of aesthetics and design approach. I made a draft jepg from here. I think it's not bad. Making the Xpro like an X100 with an interchangeable lens. It may be inspired by one of its older cameras, the FujiFilm TX series.

Will Fuji be able to develop this extraordinary style for the X-Pro4? Why not a bold camera with a bit more development to give the series a clear identity?

Welcome to the forum. The xpro3 is my favorite camera of all time. Although I have academic interest in what Fuji decides for the 4 there’s probably not much that would move the needle for me personally. You likely know the 3 was somewhat controversial. Not long ago Fuji partnered with a controversial Japanese street photographer and when that went over like a lead balloon Fuji quickly severed the connection. So I think they probably have rabbit ears as a company and will tack back to conventional with the 4. Be advised that the xpro3/4 have been discussed quite a bit here, sometimes contentiously, so I’m also curious to see the forum’s reaction to another xpro3/4 topic. Thanks for putting yourself out there and contributing.

I am firmly an X-Pro fan more than an X100 fan.  It would be a huge step backwards for me. I actually like the size of the X-Pro series.

iso3400 wrote:

Nobody really talks about 'innovators' anymore. Especially in rangefinder type cameras. But the X-Pro series has always debuted as a classic innovative camera. A digital camera that also has real appeal for traditional photographers.

The Fujifilm X-Pro3 has evolved from 2019 into a rangefinder-style camera with a screen that hides its rear screen. His attempt to bring the standard development together with a little more tradition was not liked by some. It can be the unique combination of the traditional camera seeking an answer to today's needs of expectation. The camera body must have IBIS. The fact that it is a little thicker does not seem to be a valid reason for not having this feature anymore. Personally, I think a makeover in design can be good. It can be more iconic like the X100 V', which is the main DNA of the series in Xpro design. In my opinion, the X100 is leading in the Xpro series in terms of aesthetics and design approach. I made a draft jepg from here. I think it's not bad. Making the Xpro like an X100 with an interchangeable lens. It may be inspired by one of its older cameras, the FujiFilm TX series.

Will Fuji be able to develop this extraordinary style for the X-Pro4? Why not a bold camera with a bit more development to give the series a clear identity?

I like your design. there are different ways to see this, one is how you propose, another one is adding the optical finder to the existing X-E4 leaving everything else as-is. For me personally, I really like the more minimalistic approach of the X-E4 and the X100V with the flat back panel, kind of a Leica M. Much nicer than the X-pro bodies.

I was wishing for the X-E5 or X100VI to have the new 40mp sensor, but now I don't think I would be interested in that, I rather have IBIS and the same old 26mp sensor.

athensGA wrote:

Welcome to the forum. The xpro3 is my favorite camera of all time. Although I have academic interest in what Fuji decides for the 4 there’s probably not much that would move the needle for me personally. You likely know the 3 was somewhat controversial. Not long ago Fuji partnered with a controversial Japanese street photographer and when that went over like a lead balloon Fuji quickly severed the connection. So I think they probably have rabbit ears as a company and will tack back to conventional with the 4. Be advised that the xpro3/4 have been discussed quite a bit here, sometimes contentiously, so I’m also curious to see the forum’s reaction to another xpro3/4 topic. Thanks for putting yourself out there and contributing.

I just purchased an X-Pro3 last month.

My reasoning was that at this point in camera develolpment there is nothing for me to be gained by waiting any longer: I don't need a denser/larger Mp sensor and the resultant burden to processing; the focussing issues are well-resolved for my use (I don't shoot sports, chase my kids around, or need precision eye-tracking); focus range to -6EV is more than acceptable; and I'm unconvinced IBIS is needed technology (again, with the qualifier "for what I shoot"), though I'm happy to have it in my GRiii, because I shoot differently with that camera.

Anyway, stock was getting low, I found a sale and went for it. So far I'm enjoying the superior build quality and user exerperience over the X100V.

As for Tatsuo Suzuki , don't get me started - it was shameful how Fujifilm bailed so quickly on an artist. Bruce Guilden has been roaming the NYC streets for decades hammering his subjects with close-up flash photography. His work is (deservidely) well-respected.

Fujifilm could have stood up and showed they had some spine, instead they caved in and lost a great opportunity.

A friend bought a toy lomogrpahy camera that has a lens adapter that does fun tricks like cropping and half frame.  Nice tricks for sure.  Then we talked about what fun things we liked to see in cameras.   Not exceptional autofocus or unlimited buffers or features that make things look digital those happen but fun features.  So here are mine

1. more crop ratios.  I love jpegs.  Super busy and don’t really like to edit raw.  I do if I need but I would love some if the gfx mode
2. LUTs in camera for film simulations.   It’s great to adjust white balance but they all kind of look the same.
3. Simple and effective menus.

I think what the Fuji brand has revealed is a very good example of how technology can be built on a feeling. There are not many brands that can achieve this. As users, I don't think that our connection with the brand is just buying. Our thoughts, opinions, comments, our relationship with the brand are very important and real. That's why everyone's opinion on this forum is so important. Thank you for your valuable opinion.

I want to add one more note. When I first saw the Xpro 3, I didn't buy it, realizing that the Xpro2 didn't feel like much of a change. I bought the XE4. When I bought the XE 4, I thought I should buy the X100V, but I never thought of the xpro 3. I guess I like to pursue a new experience.

The XP4 cant be smaller because the OVF needs to be a certain distance from the lens mount so the view isn't blocked. But here is an idea of what an X100 styled XP might look like.

DarnGoodPhotos wrote:

The XP4 cant be smaller because the OVF needs to be a certain distance from the lens mount so the view isn't blocked. But here is an idea of what an X100 styled XP might look like.

Let’s hope Fuji comes up with something as cool as that this year.

A X100 with interchangeable lenses would have an EVF and OVF too small. The size of the XPRO is fine, perhaps they can trim it some for the version 4, but make it a lot smaller? It would be a mistake IMH. Larger cameras can accommodate larger VF, and top tier cameras need to provide a top quality VF.

Even then, the VF in the XPRO series is inferior to the VF on the XT and XH series.

Foskito wrote:

DarnGoodPhotos wrote:

The XP4 cant be smaller because the OVF needs to be a certain distance from the lens mount so the view isn't blocked. But here is an idea of what an X100 styled XP might look like.

Let’s hope Fuji comes up with something as cool as that this year.

IMO the main reason why the XP1 looks better than the XP2/3 is that the dial section of the top plate isn’t as long so its proportions are better. I know Fuji made the change so you could lift the ISO dial up, but Fuji could still decrease its size a little on the XP4.

I’m not going to get into the screen discussion because I know my preferences, but if they keep the 3’s design what I hope they do is make the small film-sim screen clickable on its sides so you have access to a d-pad while the main screen is closed. Whatever design they come up with I hope they spend the resources to make it low-profile like the one on my X100V; the screen on my XT5 seems tacked-on, instead of integrated into the body, by comparison.

Beyond that I hope they keep the X-Pro2/X-Pro3’s rear thumb rest which I still consider the best design in all Fuji-land, even compared to the one on my X-T5.

Pie in the sky wish is a brass top plate and a wooden grip like the XPan/TX1.

Hi,

I hope Fuji just keeps the body design. I would also have no problem if they go back to the body of the X-Pro2. IBIS would be nice of course and a bigger EVF if possible. Beside that I don't want them to fix something that isn't broken.

I much prefer the handling and controls of the X-Pro over the X100s. For larger hands the X-Pros are clearly the better option.

DarnGoodPhotos wrote:

Pie in the sky wish is a brass top plate and a wooden grip like the XPan/TX1.

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Well isn't that a sexy-beast...

Fuji shocks the world and makes the XPro4 full frame. New 35 1.2, 58 f1 and 105 1.2 are released alongside it. The XPro line becomes Fuji's full frame lineup going forward. In anticipation to a very long wait list, Fujifilm is reserving thousands of units for current XPro owners so they will not have to wait in line.

xtm wrote:

Fuji shocks the world and makes the XPro4 full frame...

Hmm, I'm listening...

xtm wrote:

Fuji shocks the world and makes the XPro4 full frame. New 35 1.2, 58 f1 and 105 1.2 are released alongside it. The XPro line becomes Fuji's full frame lineup going forward. In anticipation to a very long wait list, Fujifilm is reserving thousands of units for current XPro owners so they will not have to wait in line.

Fuji is surprised when sales of their current generation cameras plummet and there are not enough X-Pro4 buyers to make up for those sales losses. Fuji is surprised as people who just purchased the updated 18, 23, 33, and 56 lenses are furious that they would have to buy lenses again for the full frame cameras because none of their APSC lenses will work. Fuji is surprised by their GFX sales plummeting as owners realize that there is very little difference between full frame Fujis and medium format Fujis.

My honest expectations are: similar body, 40mp sensor, IBIS, higher res EVF and the return of a regular screen.  I think whatever OVF / EVF is being made for the next X100 camera will be used in the X-Pro4 too.  The X100 series is hot on social media, but not for me.

Interesting set of replies.  I like a lot of the ideas.

I particularly liked the idea an X-Pro4 being a full frame body.  It's not going to happen, I'm positive of that.  They're not going to make a whole new line of lenses for one camera.  But I would probably buy one in a heart beat.

I love my little X-E3 for casual shooting and the f/2 Fujicrons are just made for it.  I also think they are just perfect for the X-Pro line as well.  Frankly, APS-C is what keeps me limited to the X-E3 as a diversionary camera.

I'm all in with full frame Nikon and am starting to expand into medium format film cameras... a Bronica SQ-A 6x6 and a Fujifilm GSW680 (the Texas Leica).  I'm debating getting a Mamiya 7ii and selling the Fujifilm.

Anyway, a full frame X-Pro would be perfect for me.  Pair that up with a new set of small f/2 primes and I'd be stoked.