Will there be an R7 Mk II ?

So there isn't much I'd like to change on my R7, except for maybe a small extension on the bottom right for my little finger, and someplace to attach a hand strap. I don't even need a full battery grip. Yes, I kill batteries pretty fast, but I carry a bunch of them, and they are very easy to change. Also, a bigger buffer would help. When it comes to MP's, I always like more of them for cropability, but I question as to whether more MP's could be crammed on to the smaller crop sensor, and still maintain at least the same IQ ? I understand their are physics to deal with.

And while I'm asking, is their a better crop sensor mirrorless camera for birding than the R7 ? Even from other manufacturers ? Open to opinions.

charlyw64 wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

So there isn't much I'd like to change on my R7, except for maybe a small extension on the bottom right for my little finger, and someplace to attach a hand strap. I don't even need a full battery grip. Yes, I kill batteries pretty fast, but I carry a bunch of them, and they are very easy to change. Also, a bigger buffer would help. When it comes to MP's, I always like more of them for cropability, but I question as to whether more MP's could be crammed on to the smaller crop sensor, and still maintain at least the same IQ ? I understand their are physics to deal with.

And while I'm asking, is their a better crop sensor mirrorless camera for birding than the R7 ? Even from other manufacturers ? Open to opinions.

Look at how old the camera is. I am willing to bet that the R7II will come in 3-4 years, not earlier.

And the combination of 15 fps with EFCS and mechanical shutter with a high end autofocus, lenses that are unique (800 f/11) in the marketplace - there is no better overall package. Even if there were a better sensor, the combination of the R system and the R7 is currently unbeatable in the APS-C range.

Thank you. Believe me, I own the RF 800 F11, and loved it so much, I just bought the RF 600 F11 too I had this in the back of my mind when I was posting this. They work very well on my R5, but at least as well on my R7 Obviously with more reach, which is often very important for my shooting.

If you want more megapixels to crop the Fuji XT5 has 40 and they have a new 150-600 lens. I don’t know to much about them but I’m sure they are decent.

If I had to give up my Canon gear I’d go with the Olympus/OM System OM 1 or OM D EM1X and the Olympus 150-400 F4.5 with built in TC

spec68 wrote:

chipman wrote:

My crystal ball is cracked and pretty dusty, but I'm thinking there's a higher end APSC (R4?) coming, with a fast stacked sensor, before 3-4 years. Canon had to be stung by all the rolling shutter and cheap build complaints on the R7. But that's just my WAG.

Some say this place -

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/best/mirrorless-cameras-for-birds-in-flight/

is where you go for BIF info. YMMV.

I keep thinking (wishing) that too but if you go by Canon's model numbering for the R series it goes, without break, from most expensive (R30 to least expensive (R10). An R5 is normally $3900. I can't see a crop sensor body, even if borrows the R3's body, going for 4K+ or actually anything close to the R5's MSRP. Even the esteemed Nikon D500, which in its day was a pro-ish crop body was priced at $2K, about the same as Nikon's lower level FF bodies.

So I think (hope) the R7 II will correct most of the criticisms the R7 bring just a small price hike over and above inflation (will happily pay). I don't think it will be a pro-level body though. Of course we are years away from that moment so who knows. I would love to see a more advanced crop R, but IF the rumor about the R5 II having a digital 2-8x tele converter is true AND its actually usable then there really won't be a need for a pro-ish crop body.

Ah, the long-rumoured digital teleconverter.  Think about it, even if a future full frame body had an 83MP sensor (upscaled from the 32.5MP APS-C sensor), an 8x “digital teleconverter” which is effectively a crop factor of 8, would give a 1.3MP image.  If 61MP (a la Sony), 0.95MP, etc.

Maybe we will see one announced on April 1st.

KiloHotelphoto wrote:

If you want more megapixels to crop the Fuji XT5 has 40 and they have a new 150-600 lens. I don’t know to much about them but I’m sure they are decent.

But is that camera a crop sensor ? My R5 makes 45 MP's, but if I shoot in the crop sensor mode, it drops my MP's to a weak 17 😕 While my R7, which is "always in crop mode" makes 30 MP's 👍

chipman wrote:

My crystal ball is cracked and pretty dusty, but I'm thinking there's a higher end APSC (R4?) coming, with a fast stacked sensor, before 3-4 years. Canon had to be stung by all the rolling shutter and cheap build complaints on the R7. But that's just my WAG.

Some say this place -

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/best/mirrorless-cameras-for-birds-in-flight/

is where you go for BIF info. YMMV.

I kind of feel like it will be sooner than 3 or 4 years as well.

Mark B. wrote:

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

So there isn't much I'd like to change on my R7, except for maybe a small extension on the bottom right for my little finger, and someplace to attach a hand strap. I don't even need a full battery grip. Yes, I kill batteries pretty fast, but I carry a bunch of them, and they are very easy to change. Also, a bigger buffer would help. When it comes to MP's, I always like more of them for cropability, but I question as to whether more MP's could be crammed on to the smaller crop sensor, and still maintain at least the same IQ ? I understand their are physics to deal with.

And while I'm asking, is their a better crop sensor mirrorless camera for birding than the R7 ? Even from other manufacturers ? Open to opinions.

I don't doubt there will be one, but it won't be any time soon. Don't look for any sort of reliable rumors for at least another 12 months, it could be 18 to 24 months before there's a replacement.

That sounds like a reasonable guess to me as well. I think I can work with my R7 mostly, and my R5 as a backup, or for specific situations where I don't need any extra reach. For a 18 -24 months...

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

KiloHotelphoto wrote:

If you want more megapixels to crop the Fuji XT5 has 40 and they have a new 150-600 lens. I don’t know to much about them but I’m sure they are decent.

But is that camera a crop sensor ? My R5 makes 45 MP's, but if I shoot in the crop sensor mode, it drops my MP's to a weak 17 😕 While my R7, which is "always in crop mode" makes 30 MP's 👍

The Fuji is a crop, 1.5 unlike Canons 1.6.

spec68 wrote:

I keep thinking (wishing) that too but if you go by Canon's model numbering for the R series it goes, without break, from most expensive (R30 to least expensive (R10). An R5 is normally $3900. I can't see a crop sensor body, even if borrows the R3's body, going for 4K+ or actually anything close to the R5's MSRP. Even the esteemed Nikon D500, which in its day was a pro-ish crop body was priced at $2K, about the same as Nikon's lower level FF bodies.

A crystal ball just rolled onto my front porch!  Upon looking into it, I see a R7X in the future; a more professional APS-C body (available grip, faster read times etc.)  This would leave room for a lower priced R7 Mark II a couple of years after.

pixseal wrote:

spec68 wrote:

I keep thinking (wishing) that too but if you go by Canon's model numbering for the R series it goes, without break, from most expensive (R30 to least expensive (R10). An R5 is normally $3900. I can't see a crop sensor body, even if borrows the R3's body, going for 4K+ or actually anything close to the R5's MSRP. Even the esteemed Nikon D500, which in its day was a pro-ish crop body was priced at $2K, about the same as Nikon's lower level FF bodies.

A crystal ball just rolled onto my front porch! Upon looking into it, I see a R7X in the future; a more professional APS-C body (available grip, faster read times etc.) This would leave room for a lower priced R7 Mark II a couple of years after.

....just about the time I figure out how to hold onto my R7 without a grip Your probably right lol

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

pixseal wrote:

spec68 wrote:

I keep thinking (wishing) that too but if you go by Canon's model numbering for the R series it goes, without break, from most expensive (R30 to least expensive (R10). An R5 is normally $3900. I can't see a crop sensor body, even if borrows the R3's body, going for 4K+ or actually anything close to the R5's MSRP. Even the esteemed Nikon D500, which in its day was a pro-ish crop body was priced at $2K, about the same as Nikon's lower level FF bodies.

A crystal ball just rolled onto my front porch! Upon looking into it, I see a R7X in the future; a more professional APS-C body (available grip, faster read times etc.) This would leave room for a lower priced R7 Mark II a couple of years after.

....just about the time I figure out how to hold onto my R7 without a grip Your probably right lol

Let's see if we can help you out.  Can't you just hold the camera mostly with the left hand on the lens?  I'm not sure my little finger fits much on the camera either, but I've never actually noticed.  I could lend you my M6 II for training, and after that, the R6 would feel huge.