Larger R7 II Canon ?

I  had both the 70D and 7D Mk II, and I can appreciate the smaller R7 which is more compact and lighter. Never wished it was larger and it still has ample grip (better the the tiny R10). I'm guessing everyone has their own preference, but I do wish it had come with a built-in flash for "when you need it, it's there" reasons, than having to pop in a flash just to have fill-flash. Also wish it has the top display screen.

The in-camera picture style setting adjustment resolution should be increased to 0.1 (rather than 1) increments to match that to Canon's Picture Style Editor, so I hope there is a fix for this in due course.

Le Kilt wrote:

Hi, is anyone else finding the R7 a bit on the small side ?

AF speed is incredibly good, it's full of wonderful functions, but its small size means smaller and more fiddly controls compared to a 7D II.
Great if you want a smaller and ligher camera, but that joystick and dial combination, argh!

Canon, please could we have a version with a more pro-like body like the 7D II, or even like the 90D ?

Anyone else feel the same?

I've decided that I'm OK with the size. For many years I shot in Av mode. I had no issue with M mode but just preferred it. I adopted Fv with the R bodies. It was OK with 3 dial body.

Since these days Auto ISO is now available with M I remapped a few things today for M mode. The front dial is Tv, the quick control dial is now for EC and the lens ring is or Av. Since with this body I'm shooting around wide open all of the time so it isn't as critical. I find using the 100-500 ring awkward when in a hurry. I'm finding this setup very natural so I could live with out the big quick control.

Le Kilt wrote:

cnyphotoguy wrote:

Can't yet tell if its good that we've passed complaining about the sensor read out speeds and moved on to size.

LOL, but who's complaining, it's just polite feedback to Canon for the next APS-C version, I'm sure Canon will take heed, WON'T YOU CANON !!!

Maybe this thread will unite you with your faction https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66883816

Arrrgh, no no no, no grip for me thanks

But hey, who knows how to produce a grip with a 3D printer?...

The current designs on thingiverse.com work quite well. I used it when I rented an R7 for a week. The grip improved the R7 in the same way the EG-E1 improves the RP/R8.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5545843

Le Kilt wrote:

Hi, is anyone else finding the R7 a bit on the small side ?

Yes. Small and light. Love it.

AF speed is incredibly good, it's full of wonderful functions, but its small size means smaller and more fiddly controls compared to a 7D II.
Great if you want a smaller and ligher camera, but that joystick and dial combination, argh!

Canon, please could we have a version with a more pro-like body like the 7D II, or even like the 90D ?

Anyone else feel the same?

Messier Object wrote:

Just give us an optional battery grip,

(and faster sensor readout, and bigger buffer and Pre Capture like Olympus and . . . )

Peter

Honestly , even just the non powered grip extender, made for the Canon R, would be fine. The company that makes those for the R, says coming soon for the R7… But I’m still waiting ! Might need two of them here soon….

TBH, after using my R7 for a month, going back to my R5 with the full battery grip, it feels unnecessarily big and bulky….. but the R7 with nothing feels too small and leaves my little finger dangling. I think one of those little grip extenders is the perfect compromise.

Chris Wolfgram wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

Just give us an optional battery grip,

(and faster sensor readout, and bigger buffer and Pre Capture like Olympus and . . . )

Peter

Honestly , even just the non powered grip extender, made for the Canon R, would be fine. The company that makes those for the R, says coming soon for the R7… But I’m still waiting ! Might need two of them here soon….

TBH, after using my R7 for a month, going back to my R5 with the full battery grip, it feels unnecessarily big and bulky….. but the R7 with nothing feels too small and leaves my little finger dangling. I think one of those little grip extenders is the perfect compromise.

If they make the R7 "fake" grip could you please update this thread and make a new one.  I have grips for all bodies, even my astro modified T7i, but not the R7.

Le Kilt wrote:

Hi, is anyone else finding the R7 a bit on the small side ?

I have big hands and am endlessly annoyed by how narrow phones are (those 7" phones are all length; they're narrow, but I want one that's wide, to give it more area, not useless diagonal), but I don't have a problem with the size of the R7.  It is noticeably smaller than my previous 7DmkII, but I don't especially notice it in operation.  The body feels quite solid.  I'd certainly pay for a stacked sensor and perhaps a deeper buffer and/or CF Express slot (which are now considerably cheaper than UHS-ii SD cards, not to mention much faster), but I can live with the body.

Canon doesn't typically make changes like that between mark numbers; they're evolutionary upgrades.  I can't think of any with bodies; with lenses, the only such I can think of is the EF 50 f/1.8, but that went the other direction (the mkI was a substantial, solid lens with a wide focus ring and depth scale; the mkII was a lightweight body with a very narrow focus ring and no depth scale).

A substantively different body would likely have a different number, but the only such I could see them using is R4.  That would be a bit problematic since it's a lower number (implying higher end) than the R5.  They've historically (well, over the past dozen years, at any rate) used 7 as their top of the line APS-C body.

Robert Krawitz wrote:

Le Kilt wrote:

Hi, is anyone else finding the R7 a bit on the small side ?

I have big hands and am endlessly annoyed by how narrow phones are (those 7" phones are all length; they're narrow, but I want one that's wide, to give it more area, not useless diagonal), but I don't have a problem with the size of the R7. It is noticeably smaller than my previous 7DmkII, but I don't especially notice it in operation. The body feels quite solid. I'd certainly pay for a stacked sensor and perhaps a deeper buffer and/or CF Express slot (which are now considerably cheaper than UHS-ii SD cards, not to mention much faster), but I can live with the body.

Canon doesn't typically make changes like that between mark numbers; they're evolutionary upgrades. I can't think of any with bodies; with lenses, the only such I can think of is the EF 50 f/1.8, but that went the other direction (the mkI was a substantial, solid lens with a wide focus ring and depth scale; the mkII was a lightweight body with a very narrow focus ring and no depth scale).

A substantively different body would likely have a different number, but the only such I could see them using is R4. That would be a bit problematic since it's a lower number (implying higher end) than the R5. They've historically (well, over the past dozen years, at any rate) used 7 as their top of the line APS-C body.

Thanks to you and the others for your response.
I'm surprised at how many firstly want some extra height for 'pinky support'. Like you I didn't even notice this.

I mostly miss the top display, and find the back dial too small and fiddly, especialy with the joystick in the middle, so hardly use it.  Faster sensor readout for electronic shutter would be great.

An R4 could be a great surprise... (but at what cost...!)

A lot of expectations building up for the next 'high end' APS-C from Canon, but we'll probably have to be patient.

Canon, we hope you're taking in all these nice ideas

Le Kilt wrote:

Robert Krawitz wrote:

Le Kilt wrote:

Hi, is anyone else finding the R7 a bit on the small side ?

I have big hands and am endlessly annoyed by how narrow phones are (those 7" phones are all length; they're narrow, but I want one that's wide, to give it more area, not useless diagonal), but I don't have a problem with the size of the R7. It is noticeably smaller than my previous 7DmkII, but I don't especially notice it in operation. The body feels quite solid. I'd certainly pay for a stacked sensor and perhaps a deeper buffer and/or CF Express slot (which are now considerably cheaper than UHS-ii SD cards, not to mention much faster), but I can live with the body.

Canon doesn't typically make changes like that between mark numbers; they're evolutionary upgrades. I can't think of any with bodies; with lenses, the only such I can think of is the EF 50 f/1.8, but that went the other direction (the mkI was a substantial, solid lens with a wide focus ring and depth scale; the mkII was a lightweight body with a very narrow focus ring and no depth scale).

A substantively different body would likely have a different number, but the only such I could see them using is R4. That would be a bit problematic since it's a lower number (implying higher end) than the R5. They've historically (well, over the past dozen years, at any rate) used 7 as their top of the line APS-C body.

Thanks to you and the others for your response.
I'm surprised at how many firstly want some extra height for 'pinky support'. Like you I didn't even notice this.

I mostly miss the top display, and find the back dial too small and fiddly, especialy with the joystick in the middle, so hardly use it. Faster sensor readout for electronic shutter would be great.

An R4 could be a great surprise... (but at what cost...!)

A lot of expectations building up for the next 'high end' APS-C from Canon, but we'll probably have to be patient.

Canon, we hope you're taking in all these nice ideas

I’d still prefer the 3rd Fula but with a little re-mapping it is to my liking now. Getting used and startling appreciate the smaller sIze. I got mine in Dec and in the middle of a bad winter  I really didn’t get into it until I got to Portugal last month. I’ve been out with it about 10 times now.