Anyone moved from M4/3 to Fujifilm X series?

I have both the GX9 and the X-S10.

I agree with the others here that you will gain v little in size / weight by going to X-S10.

Again, I think there is v little difference in IQ between the two formats. The X-S10 will give you slightly lower noise at higher ISO, but if weight-for-weight the M43 lens will have 1 stop faster aperture then it negates the difference. I can't tell much difference in IBIS between the GX9 and the X-S10; I think in real-world they are both good for +2 stops.

Regarding the handling / ergonomics of the X-S10, personally I think it is awful, and in view of you arthritis, I really would not recommend. Here's why:

1. The height of the body is so short that I generally find my little finger falls off the bottom, so I end up only gripping with 2x fingers.

2. The position of the shutter button is v badly placed, such that you need to hold the grip towards the tip of your fingers. If I take a solid, full grip of the grip, then the shutter button almost falls naturally near the first notch of my index finger. I would need to uncomfortably contort my index finger to reach the shutter button with the tip of my finger.

3. Same goes for my thumb; If I take a firm full grip, the rear dial is almost at the first crease of my thumb, requiring uncomfortable bending of my thumb to reach the dial..

I seriously would advise you going to a shop and handling the camera before deciding to buy..  (For reference I have small hands; I think it would be worse for bigger hands.)

Now, I also own am E-M1 mkii. It is in my opinion the best handling camera that I have ever owned. It is smaller that your G9, and a bit lighter. The grip is so good that even though it's 100g heavier than the X-s10, I don't notice the weight difference when handling either. The grip + front + rear dial is so perfectly placed that I can shoot / adjust front + rear dials all with one hand. My recommendation would be to swap your G9 for the EM1 mkii or mkiii. It would give you a reduction in size / weight + improved ergonomics..

I have been a M43 shooter since 2015 and got an X-Pro3 along with a trio of lenses in 2021. While I have sold a part of my M43 kit, I still own an Olympus camera and quite a number of different lenses and plan to keep it this way. The Oly kit is, overall, still quite a bit more compact and lighter than my X-Pro kit, I also have a wider range of lenses for it, not just some primes.

One of the reasons I got interested in Fujifilm was the idea for better sooc jpegs: Spend less time processing RAW files, but simply load up the jpg, maybe crop it when needed and done. While I am indeed using more sooc jpegs, it still is a lot less than I originally imagined. Quite often I still rather open the RAW file, process and tweak it further to my liking and use the processed jpeg instead of the sooc one. While I do like the creative aspect of the Film Simulations and playing around with the recipes the dedicated community is creating, the outcome is not always to my liking - hence while I still shoot RAW+jpg on the Fujifilm.

While I prefer the higher ISO performance for sooc jpegs of the Fujifilm, not only there is less noise, but it especially looks more "natural", less distracting to my eyes, when it comes to processing RAW images, I wasn't too impressed with the gain in terms of image quality: DXO PhotoLabs works really well with M43 files when it comes to cleaning up the noise, it almost negates the disadvantage of my Olympus almost completely. I noticed a somewhat better DR with more headroom especially in the highlights.

As I said I happily shoot both systems side by side, sometimes I prefer taking my trusted Olympus, sometimes I prefer taking the Fujifilm. Both offer their own unique shooting experience. However I pretty much never take the X-Pro3 with the goal of getting better IQ.

Pannylumixfan wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm considering selling my Panasonic G9 and GX9 (and several lenses) and buying an X-S10 and the Fujifilm 16-80 f4 initially, perhaps followed by a longer zoom. One advantage of the X-S10 over the G9 is its significantly smaller size and lower weight, although that may be countered by Fujifilm's larger and heavier lenses (for FF equivalent). This might be a major factor as I have arthritis which is becoming more of an issue for my photography.

I've read several expert reviews and comparisons but would very much appreciate feedback from real world users of Fujifilm X series cameras (especially the X-S10) who have also used M4/3 (especially the G9 and GX9).

In particular I'd appreciate comments about OOC jpegs, image stabilisation, ISO performance and handling (the grip on the X-S10 looks very comfortable and similar to the one on my G9).

Thank you.

Best wishes,

Brian

Hmm selling up and changing brands, to me it was always loose loose.

I simply added Fuji to my M4/3 mix and win win.

M4/3, more reach

Fuji, get even wider without spending a lot.

The grass is not always greener on the other side.

I started using M4/3. I was using an Olympus and migrated t Fuji. I use both now.I love my G9 and GX85. Have several lenses. These bodies are very good.

Then I went to Fuji. A bunch of bodies and lenses. Both systems do what I want them to do. In general the Panasonic gear is smaller and lighter. I don’t want to trade or buy new items for either system.

That was until Saturday. The local camera store was celebrating their birthday. I bought a Fuji to M4/3 adapter for <$8. Looking forward  to try this out.

Many people use two systems.  One system could. Two systems could work two. Realize two systems will obviously cost more to maintain. Sometimes one system complement the other. Know why you are doing what you are doing.

Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

nurseMarty wrote:

I started using M4/3. I was using an Olympus and migrated t Fuji. I use both now.I love my G9 and GX85. Have several lenses. These bodies are very good.

Then I went to Fuji. A bunch of bodies and lenses. Both systems do what I want them to do. In general the Panasonic gear is smaller and lighter. I don’t want to trade or buy new items for either system.

That was until Saturday. The local camera store was celebrating their birthday. I bought a Fuji to M4/3 adapter for <$8. Looking forward to try this out.

Many people use two systems. One system could. Two systems could work two. Realize two systems will obviously cost more to maintain. Sometimes one system complement the other. Know why you are doing what you are doing.

Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

Fuji X-mount to micro four thirds adapter? I didn’t think it possible. If so I must have one!

I have both a G9 and a fuji X-T3 ( also X-E1 ). Peronally for me the G9 is the nicest camera i have ever used. The G9 is not large or heavy i find , I don't pixel peep and never have done , so find the output from both systems fantastic. Panasonic has the advantage of smaller lenses which i prefer. Camera body sizes don't bother me, a gram here or there dosn't bother me. The sizes of lens does bother me. Like the olympus E1, the G9 body is fantastic.

m43 wins

• Size and weight
• Lens choice is pretty vast at this point.
• IBIS is just better (for me. maybe the smaller and lighter cameras/lenses means I'm more stable with it.) but that's a mostly om systems thing.
• OOC jpegs are just better. Oly's colors are better. Panasonics remind me of Canons (also a good thing).

Fuji wins:

• Bigger and better sensor.
• Better noise
• Better controls.
• Sickos like the film profiles of fuji.

Wash:

• Lens quality is about the same.
• Build seems pretty good on both although I've only ever broken an olympus body and lens.

Pannylumixfan wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm considering selling my Panasonic G9 and GX9 (and several lenses) and buying an X-S10 and the Fujifilm 16-80 f4 initially, perhaps followed by a longer zoom. One advantage of the X-S10 over the G9 is its significantly smaller size and lower weight, although that may be countered by Fujifilm's larger and heavier lenses (for FF equivalent). This might be a major factor as I have arthritis which is becoming more of an issue for my photography.

I've read several expert reviews and comparisons but would very much appreciate feedback from real world users of Fujifilm X series cameras (especially the X-S10) who have also used M4/3 (especially the G9 and GX9).

In particular I'd appreciate comments about OOC jpegs, image stabilisation, ISO performance and handling (the grip on the X-S10 looks very comfortable and similar to the one on my G9).

Thank you.

Best wishes,

Brian

You can't really go wrong with either, I don't think. I'm mostly shooting fuji these days. Better sensor and 10 extra mp makes up for the fact I only have like 1/4 the lenses in fuji.

smrlabs wrote:

m43 wins

• Size and weight
• Lens choice is pretty vast at this point.
• IBIS is just better (for me. maybe the smaller and lighter cameras/lenses means I'm more stable with it.) but that's a mostly om systems thing.
• OOC jpegs are just better. Oly's colors are better. Panasonics remind me of Canons (also a good thing).

Fuji wins:

• Bigger and better sensor.
• Better noise
• Better controls.
• Sickos like the film profiles of fuji.

Wash:

• Lens quality is about the same.
• Build seems pretty good on both although I've only ever broken an olympus body and lens.

Pannylumixfan wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm considering selling my Panasonic G9 and GX9 (and several lenses) and buying an X-S10 and the Fujifilm 16-80 f4 initially, perhaps followed by a longer zoom. One advantage of the X-S10 over the G9 is its significantly smaller size and lower weight, although that may be countered by Fujifilm's larger and heavier lenses (for FF equivalent). This might be a major factor as I have arthritis which is becoming more of an issue for my photography.

I've read several expert reviews and comparisons but would very much appreciate feedback from real world users of Fujifilm X series cameras (especially the X-S10) who have also used M4/3 (especially the G9 and GX9).

In particular I'd appreciate comments about OOC jpegs, image stabilisation, ISO performance and handling (the grip on the X-S10 looks very comfortable and similar to the one on my G9).

Thank you.

Best wishes,

Brian

Eric-P wrote:

I have both the GX9 and the X-S10.

I agree with the others here that you will gain v little in size / weight by going to X-S10.

Again, I think there is v little difference in IQ between the two formats. The X-S10 will give you slightly lower noise at higher ISO, but if weight-for-weight the M43 lens will have 1 stop faster aperture then it negates the difference. I can't tell much difference in IBIS between the GX9 and the X-S10; I think in real-world they are both good for +2 stops.

Regarding the handling / ergonomics of the X-S10, personally I think it is awful, and in view of you arthritis, I really would not recommend. Here's why:

1. The height of the body is so short that I generally find my little finger falls off the bottom, so I end up only gripping with 2x fingers.

2. The position of the shutter button is v badly placed, such that you need to hold the grip towards the tip of your fingers. If I take a solid, full grip of the grip, then the shutter button almost falls naturally near the first notch of my index finger. I would need to uncomfortably contort my index finger to reach the shutter button with the tip of my finger.

3. Same goes for my thumb; If I take a firm full grip, the rear dial is almost at the first crease of my thumb, requiring uncomfortable bending of my thumb to reach the dial..

I seriously would advise you going to a shop and handling the camera before deciding to buy.. (For reference I have small hands; I think it would be worse for bigger hands.)

Now, I also own am E-M1 mkii. It is in my opinion the best handling camera that I have ever owned. It is smaller that your G9, and a bit lighter. The grip is so good that even though it's 100g heavier than the X-s10, I don't notice the weight difference when handling either. The grip + front + rear dial is so perfectly placed that I can shoot / adjust front + rear dials all with one hand. My recommendation would be to swap your G9 for the EM1 mkii or mkiii. It would give you a reduction in size / weight + improved ergonomics..

Exactly my findings. I have owned practically all existing m43 cameras and lenses. And just wanted to check an affordable IBIS polished Fujifilm camera.

Well X-S10 did not work for me at all. IBIS is kinda OKish though still 2 stops behind E-M1 ii. Jpegs are nice. But the hardware ergonomics is really bad. The dials, buttons, their placement, grip ... I know it's subjective. G9, E-M1, Pen F all of these will destroy it in that view for me. X-PRO is nice though.

Cheers

Dunsun wrote:

Eric-P wrote:

I have both the GX9 and the X-S10.

I agree with the others here that you will gain v little in size / weight by going to X-S10.

Again, I think there is v little difference in IQ between the two formats. The X-S10 will give you slightly lower noise at higher ISO, but if weight-for-weight the M43 lens will have 1 stop faster aperture then it negates the difference. I can't tell much difference in IBIS between the GX9 and the X-S10; I think in real-world they are both good for +2 stops.

Regarding the handling / ergonomics of the X-S10, personally I think it is awful, and in view of you arthritis, I really would not recommend. Here's why:

1. The height of the body is so short that I generally find my little finger falls off the bottom, so I end up only gripping with 2x fingers.

2. The position of the shutter button is v badly placed, such that you need to hold the grip towards the tip of your fingers. If I take a solid, full grip of the grip, then the shutter button almost falls naturally near the first notch of my index finger. I would need to uncomfortably contort my index finger to reach the shutter button with the tip of my finger.

3. Same goes for my thumb; If I take a firm full grip, the rear dial is almost at the first crease of my thumb, requiring uncomfortable bending of my thumb to reach the dial..

I seriously would advise you going to a shop and handling the camera before deciding to buy.. (For reference I have small hands; I think it would be worse for bigger hands.)

Now, I also own am E-M1 mkii. It is in my opinion the best handling camera that I have ever owned. It is smaller that your G9, and a bit lighter. The grip is so good that even though it's 100g heavier than the X-s10, I don't notice the weight difference when handling either. The grip + front + rear dial is so perfectly placed that I can shoot / adjust front + rear dials all with one hand. My recommendation would be to swap your G9 for the EM1 mkii or mkiii. It would give you a reduction in size / weight + improved ergonomics..

Exactly my findings. I have owned practically all existing m43 cameras and lenses. And just wanted to check an affordable IBIS polished Fujifilm camera.

Well X-S10 did not work for me at all. IBIS is kinda OKish though still 2 stops behind E-M1 ii. Jpegs are nice. But the hardware ergonomics is really bad. The dials, buttons, their placement, grip ... I know it's subjective. G9, E-M1, Pen F all of these will destroy it in that view for me. X-PRO is nice though.

Chees

I guess this is where camera manufacturers can't win, l find the X-S10 the exact opposite as described here. I have medium sized hands and can operate the X-S10 virtually completely with my right hand with no issues. My thumb can reach all the necessary controls on the back comfortably and easily. I've used many m4/3's cameras, none 'destroy' the X-S10 for ergonomics in my experience. The G9 is a myriad of buttons and options that can be very confusing unless you use it daily. It's comfortable to hold but requires a lot of practice to become familiar with. I can pick up the X-S10 after a break and be very familiar with it instantly. Olympus cameras don't even have the power on switch in the right place, if l'm gripping the X-S10 l can power it up instantly with the same hand, that's an ergonomic fail on most Olympus' straight away for me.

The grip on the X-S10 is deep but not tall, it's a smaller lighter camera, significantly so compared to a G9, so yes, your bottom pinkie will trail, but it's not exactly uncomfortable, especially compared to all the shallow grip models, it's definitely far superior to an X-Pro. I really don't understand how people struggle ergonomically with this camera, my thumb and forefinger can do all the work for me no problem, but as l intimated earlier, camera design must be a frustrating task. I suppose the variation in human hands makes it impossible to design perfect ergonomics for all, but for me the X-S10 is ergonomically excellent.

WeirdSheep wrote:

Dunsun wrote:

Eric-P wrote:

I have both the GX9 and the X-S10.

I agree with the others here that you will gain v little in size / weight by going to X-S10.

Again, I think there is v little difference in IQ between the two formats. The X-S10 will give you slightly lower noise at higher ISO, but if weight-for-weight the M43 lens will have 1 stop faster aperture then it negates the difference. I can't tell much difference in IBIS between the GX9 and the X-S10; I think in real-world they are both good for +2 stops.

Regarding the handling / ergonomics of the X-S10, personally I think it is awful, and in view of you arthritis, I really would not recommend. Here's why:

1. The height of the body is so short that I generally find my little finger falls off the bottom, so I end up only gripping with 2x fingers.

2. The position of the shutter button is v badly placed, such that you need to hold the grip towards the tip of your fingers. If I take a solid, full grip of the grip, then the shutter button almost falls naturally near the first notch of my index finger. I would need to uncomfortably contort my index finger to reach the shutter button with the tip of my finger.

3. Same goes for my thumb; If I take a firm full grip, the rear dial is almost at the first crease of my thumb, requiring uncomfortable bending of my thumb to reach the dial..

I seriously would advise you going to a shop and handling the camera before deciding to buy.. (For reference I have small hands; I think it would be worse for bigger hands.)

Now, I also own am E-M1 mkii. It is in my opinion the best handling camera that I have ever owned. It is smaller that your G9, and a bit lighter. The grip is so good that even though it's 100g heavier than the X-s10, I don't notice the weight difference when handling either. The grip + front + rear dial is so perfectly placed that I can shoot / adjust front + rear dials all with one hand. My recommendation would be to swap your G9 for the EM1 mkii or mkiii. It would give you a reduction in size / weight + improved ergonomics..

Exactly my findings. I have owned practically all existing m43 cameras and lenses. And just wanted to check an affordable IBIS polished Fujifilm camera.

Well X-S10 did not work for me at all. IBIS is kinda OKish though still 2 stops behind E-M1 ii. Jpegs are nice. But the hardware ergonomics is really bad. The dials, buttons, their placement, grip ... I know it's subjective. G9, E-M1, Pen F all of these will destroy it in that view for me. X-PRO is nice though.

Chees

I guess this is where camera manufacturers can't win, l find the X-S10 the exact opposite as described here. I have medium sized hands and can operate the X-S10 virtually completely with my right hand with no issues. My thumb can reach all the necessary controls on the back comfortably and easily. I've used many m4/3's cameras, none 'destroy' the X-S10 for ergonomics in my experience. The G9 is a myriad of buttons and options that can be very confusing unless you use it daily. It's comfortable to hold but requires a lot of practice to become familiar with. I can pick up the X-S10 after a break and be very familiar with it instantly. Olympus cameras don't even have the power on switch in the right place, if l'm gripping the X-S10 l can power it up instantly with the same hand, that's an ergonomic fail on most Olympus' straight away for me.

The grip on the X-S10 is deep but not tall, it's a smaller lighter camera, significantly so compared to a G9, so yes, your bottom pinkie will trail, but it's not exactly uncomfortable, especially compared to all the shallow grip models, it's definitely far superior to an X-Pro. I really don't understand how people struggle ergonomically with this camera, my thumb and forefinger can do all the work for me no problem, but as l intimated earlier, camera design must be a frustrating task. I suppose the variation in human hands makes it impossible to design perfect ergonomics for all, but for me the X-S10 is ergonomically excellent.

Yes the ergonomics is always subjective. Frankly the most used part on any camera are the shutter and the dials. The shutter on E-M1s are too sensitive. But the dials are the best in the industry. Actually all Olympus cameras does give you amazing dials (E-M5 II, III, E-M1 II, III, Pen F, Pen E-P5). I have larger hands with long fingers and for me X-S10 grip is too shallow. Material wise E-M1 is in a different league. All older Olympus cameras provide excellent materials and feel as well.

I shoot X100T which is a great camera with a bit fidly buttons but I like it since it's small, light and produces excellent jpegs. Sadly Olympus never produced something similar. If they did it would be my goto camera and I guess that it would have an IBIS, would have better ergonomics and the lens would be sharper. That's how I see these 2 brands. Though Fuji finally came with new line of 1.4 lenses.

Cheers