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R10 with EF-s 17-55 2.8

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KevinRA Senior Member • Posts: 1,457
Re: R10 with EF-s 17-55 2.8
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DivaDreamer wrote:

Second, post processing and noise reduction/high iso. You are absolutely correct. I am an old film girl, and have been dragged kicking and screaming into the post processing world. Until now I have made do with Canon and Nikon’s free software, but have decided it is time to finally invest, so I am less leery of high iso. I am not keen on the subscription model, so leaning toward DxO PL6. Better noise reduction will allow for slightly stepped down aperture, leading to more DOF. Software before any lenses. (Though gear is more fun!)

+1 DXO PL6 and Deep Prime is amazing - makes those R10 shots at ISO6400 look great

Which leads to the main issue - pairs and small groups. I am getting lovely portraits and decent wide angle shots, but small groups is the issue. Set in discussion circles, I can not get everyone in the same focal plane, and so I either stop down and risk slower shutter/high iso or compose so the speaker is in focus and the others soft. Pairs of speakers is particularly tricky as the intimacy of conversations are lost.
I would post fails, but not sure if my releases extend beyond church business.
Anyway, reading back over my long post, it feels like software to deal with higher iso is the place to start.

Tricky - but unless one spends time on focus stacking and not normally readily possible with people - hard to get shallow depth of field and multiple people in focus

DxO will crack noise though   Colours at default a little different to DPP - but with tweaks I find good.  Much prefer DxO defaults on the R10 to Adobe's defaults, plus Adobe is poor at high ISO.

Topaz denoise also get very good reviews and works on jpegs/tiffs etc too.

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AbuMahendra Regular Member • Posts: 106
Re: R10 with EF-s 17-55 2.8
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I owned a Sigma 18-35/1.8 zoom. Awesome optic, but large and heavy. It's hard to justify over a FF 24-70/2.8 zoom.

The best deal in a walk-around set up today is the original R bundled with the RF 24-105L lens.

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ZX11 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,156
Re: R10 with EF-s 17-55 2.8
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AbuMahendra wrote:

I owned a Sigma 18-35/1.8 zoom. Awesome optic, but large and heavy. It's hard to justify over a FF 24-70/2.8 zoom.

The best deal in a walk-around set up today is the original R bundled with the RF 24-105L lens.

The R is good.  But for general use, the R8's modern AF should be a better deal.  I think a hobbyist would have to work harder and deal with more misses with the R's AF.  And the R8 has a newer tech sensor, though I like my R's sensor fine.

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,531
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DivaDreamer wrote:

R2D2, thanks so much for your thoughtful reply! I will definitely sit down and analyze my fails to identify the exact issues.

Thanks for posting the additional info! This really helps narrow down the issues.

Off the top of my head, it is probably a bit of everything.

So often the case!

First, no flash as I can’t draw attention away from the action. A nice bounce flash in the smaller rooms would work wonders. Sigh.

Indeed. A tough row to hoe without flash. At least at wedding receptions the people expect flash (those reception halls were always so dark). Bounce flash was a life-saver, and a lightweight kit lens was all one needed.

Second, post processing and noise reduction/high iso. You are absolutely correct. I am an old film girl, and have been dragged kicking and screaming into the post processing world.

HeHe, a very familiar story!

Until now I have made do with Canon and Nikon’s free software, but have decided it is time to finally invest, so I am less leery of high iso. I am not keen on the subscription model, so leaning toward DxO PL6. Better noise reduction will allow for slightly stepped down aperture, leading to more DOF. Software before any lenses. (Though gear is more fun!)

Exactly. A while back I switched from Canon DPP to DxO Photolab (now 6), and it’s been a game changer. As was mentioned, give it a free trial (it took only a few pictures to convince me). With DPP I always converted my RAWs and then opened them in Photoshop for further editing, but PL6 has just enough tools so that I can normally skip the Photoshop step entirely. And the output is transformational. It’ll help you at least from the noise/detail perspective.

Which leads to the main issue - pairs and small groups. I am getting lovely portraits and decent wide angle shots, but small groups is the issue. Set in discussion circles, I can not get everyone in the same focal plane, and so I either stop down and risk slower shutter/high iso or compose so the speaker is in focus and the others soft. Pairs of speakers is particularly tricky as the intimacy of conversations are lost.

Groups are so tough! Especially when you can’t gather everyone together. A wide angle and stopping down is about your only option. DxO will help with those higher ISOs tho. Outputting to a lower resolution will help too, if your output requirements aren’t too great (I really like 2160 px high for web use).

I would post fails, but not sure if my releases extend beyond church business.

No prob. You’ve described the situation well.

Anyway, reading back over my long post, it feels like software to deal with higher iso is the place to start.

Yes, definitely the next step.

A faster lens wouldn’t help much when you’re stopping down for DOF anyway (unless it’s sharper). Beyond that you’d be looking at spending the big bucks for a full frame setup. Ouch.

See what DxO can do for you first. Best of luck!

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Edward_H New Member • Posts: 6
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This might be my first post after a long time lurking in the background but i felt compelled to reply to this one.

I have had the 17-55 for a long time and its been amazing on my 7d Mk II, my M6 Mk II and now my R7.

In my experience its got exceptional image quality and I have never had issues with the AF performance.

I have read before that there can be some variation in lenses though, so this may be where some of the other replies are coming from.

I wouldn't hesitate to get another if my one fails and cannot be repaired. Also hopeful for an RF-S 16-55 which is rumoured.

OP DivaDreamer New Member • Posts: 20
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Thanks again to all. I so appreciate your generosity with time and advice. I will invest in some good post processing software to start and continue to hone my skills both behind the camera and the computer. I’ll see how things develop over the next few months and events, and hopefully gain a clearer idea if this lens or another may suit better. Maybe in time for Christmas…

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