Canon saying what we all knew

CamerEyes wrote:

RLight wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Whether Canon lied or not, it is also a case of people being in denial despite glaring writings on the wall.

With the launch of the R7 and R10, it was clear Canon was heavily invested in RF bodies and RF lenses. Before this, I was also wishing for an EF-M mount body with IBIS - would have been a killer feature for me, considering its size. I decided to just buy the Sony A7C when it became clear Canon would abandon the M series sooner than later ( as travel gear when my R7 and R6Mii were too cumbersome for the purpose).

Does not change the fact that the M6 Mark II is one of the best cameras Canon ever made.

A7C... Opinion? Granted M forum. I've heard rumor the A7C II is coming, but curious your opinion of the A7C nonetheless. The 28-60 and those Samyang primes are of interest.

Since I own the R6Mii, and it's been my benchmark for focusing speed and accuracy, then even my R7 is slow by comparison.

If I set aside the R6Mii as point of comparison, the A7C is a very decent, capable camera. Small, easy to use and the sensor produces topnotch image quality. It spoils me with lens options, and right now I have the Tamron 24mm, Samyang 35mm and the Sigma 65mm. Best of all, it is so light. IBIS not as good as what I have on my R6Mii and R7 but not bad at all. Perfect for travel photography. Does not attract that much attention for street photography.

Whether the A7Cii is coming out soon or not, I still think the A7C is much better than the RP in many respects, and is smaller thus much better for travel as far as I am concerned, especially for those trips with family and friends where 90% is to enjoy the scenery and company, while 10% is stealing chances for photography, aside from photographing people of course.

Battery life floors me. I shoot all day and I still retain around 60% of power. It's almost like I don't need a spare battery. Ergonomics isn't very different from the M6 Mark II, so I can't complain.

Colors are beautiful. While Canon skintones are still better, for landscapes, etc. Sony has really come a long way in its own color science.

I still wish Canon made an M6 Mark II with IBIS.

that A7C battery sounds nice

the R6II focus over the R7 focus bodes well for the R8

A7C better than RP - duh, for 2x the price

focus acquisition in low light better on R8 -Wider AF working range (EV -6.5 to 21 vs. EV -5 to 20)

many say the older ergonomics was used in the A7C vs latest sony bodies - and they complain about it

R8 can do 20 fps in silent e-shutter for 10 seconds with c-raw vs A7C limited to 10 fps

Canon EOS R8 Compared to the Sony Alpha 7C (the-digital-picture.com)

MAC wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

RLight wrote:

CamerEyes wrote:

AMW20 wrote:

Not sure how to cross post here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4698945

We all knew it was coming, but this still feels like a slap in the face after Canon said the M mount still had a future 9 months ago.

It's frustrating because the M6 Mkii seems to be the perfect camera for me but I'm hesitant to go all in buying lenses knowing they will be useless if something happens to my M6 or if I want to upgrade to a better body 5 years down the line.

Whether Canon lied or not, it is also a case of people being in denial despite glaring writings on the wall.

With the launch of the R7 and R10, it was clear Canon was heavily invested in RF bodies and RF lenses. Before this, I was also wishing for an EF-M mount body with IBIS - would have been a killer feature for me, considering its size. I decided to just buy the Sony A7C when it became clear Canon would abandon the M series sooner than later ( as travel gear when my R7 and R6Mii were too cumbersome for the purpose).

Does not change the fact that the M6 Mark II is one of the best cameras Canon ever made.

A7C... Opinion? Granted M forum. I've heard rumor the A7C II is coming, but curious your opinion of the A7C nonetheless. The 28-60 and those Samyang primes are of interest.

Since I own the R6Mii, and it's been my benchmark for focusing speed and accuracy, then even my R7 is slow by comparison.

If I set aside the R6Mii as point of comparison, the A7C is a very decent, capable camera. Small, easy to use and the sensor produces topnotch image quality. It spoils me with lens options, and right now I have the Tamron 24mm, Samyang 35mm and the Sigma 65mm. Best of all, it is so light. IBIS not as good as what I have on my R6Mii and R7 but not bad at all. Perfect for travel photography. Does not attract that much attention for street photography.

Whether the A7Cii is coming out soon or not, I still think the A7C is much better than the RP in many respects, and is smaller thus much better for travel as far as I am concerned, especially for those trips with family and friends where 90% is to enjoy the scenery and company, while 10% is stealing chances for photography, aside from photographing people of course.

Battery life floors me. I shoot all day and I still retain around 60% of power. It's almost like I don't need a spare battery. Ergonomics isn't very different from the M6 Mark II, so I can't complain.

Colors are beautiful. While Canon skintones are still better, for landscapes, etc. Sony has really come a long way in its own color science.

I still wish Canon made an M6 Mark II with IBIS.

that A7C battery sounds nice

the R6II focus over the R7 focus bodes well for the R8

A7C better than RP - duh, for 2x the price

focus acquisition in low light better on R8 -Wider AF working range (EV -6.5 to 21 vs. EV -5 to 20)

many say the older ergonomics was used in the A7C vs latest sony bodies - and they complain about it

R8 can do 20 fps in silent e-shutter for 10 seconds with c-raw vs A7C limited to 10 fps

Canon EOS R8 Compared to the Sony Alpha 7C (the-digital-picture.com)

R8 released in 2023, Sony A7C three years ago.

RP was released just a year ahead of the Sony A7C.

Brands don't make photographers. Let's look beyond our noses.

MAC wrote:

m100 wrote:

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

JoWinter wrote:

rz64 wrote:

I have the M6i and it is still a perfect camera for me. If something happens to this body I will look at the "used market". I assume it should be no problem within the next five years (or more) to find a secondhand camera or secondhand lenses for EOS-M.

I consider buying a second M6ii - just in case. Like for many others, the M6ii is the perfect travel and walk-around camera for me. Right now, it does not like the RF-S system will come close. At the same time, I'm a happy R system full-frame user but I will run the two systems in parallel for some time.

That’s exactly what I’m doing! Not enough RF/RF-S lenses to take its place yet. And I enjoy that form factor and the tilting screen way too much.

R2

I don't see Canon giving RF-s F1.4 primes on small 32.5 mpxl crop bodies -ever

if I had all the m glass some folks have, including the siggy's, that is what I'd probably do, hoard M for the reasons given for a longer time.

but I have only 2 M lenses, 32 and 11-22, and can't bring myself to add more m since Canon is sadly abandoning the platform

I like the M6II button and dial setup so much !

Been trying to get using the M6II firmly into my long term memory.

Lights, camera, action.

it makes sense for folks like you with those great siggy's and m glass to get the second m6II bodies and go for the long run

it would take an RF 50 f1.4 with the R8 to sell m stuff and get me off the m platform - but that is not likely anytime soon

m100 wrote:

and...?

The size and weight difference between these two becomes more apparent once you handle them in real life.  The M100+22mm combo is so small, that I put a wrist strap on the right loop of it, and a key chain ring on the left.  When I travel, I would simply hang this camera on my bag like a key chain.  A tiny camera like this setup is also less intimidating to those around you when you're taking street photos, even less conspicuous at night.

MAC wrote:

m100 wrote:

and...?

Whoops

All sharpening is turned off in PL6.

Deep prime noise reduction did the sharpening ?

Not seeing sharpening halos around things so much.

Full size.

m100 wrote:

MAC wrote:

m100 wrote:

and...?

Whoops

All sharpening is turned off in PL6.

Deep prime noise reduction did the sharpening ?

Not seeing sharpening halos around things so much.

Full size.

smooth --the best lenses in the world don't need sharpening

pixel peeping I see what could be about a handful of dust specs  - or very far away birds

MAC wrote:

m100 wrote:

MAC wrote:

m100 wrote:

and...?

Whoops

All sharpening is turned off in PL6.

Deep prime noise reduction did the sharpening ?

Not seeing sharpening halos around things so much.

Full size.

smooth --the best lenses in the world don't need sharpening

pixel peeping I see what could be about a handful of dust specs - or very far away birds

It is both I think.

Jimmytech wrote:

The size and weight difference between these two becomes more apparent once you handle them in real life. The M100+22mm combo is so small, that I put a wrist strap on the right loop of it, and a key chain ring on the left. When I travel, I would simply hang this camera on my bag like a key chain. A tiny camera like this setup is also less intimidating to those around you when you're taking street photos, even less conspicuous at night.

For sure !

Sometimes I mount my M6II on the truck window.

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